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HITMANHEALY

I need serious answers do this lads, its a problem i have had in years adn would need advice

My form between Strokeplay and Matchplay is so different - Matchplay I can concentrate for the whole game, Being aggressive is my game but cant seem to put into strokeplay, it has let me down, a number of guys say for a senior u take too many 4's but i score as many 2's as the top qualifiers. I cant fully concentrate in a 3 ball its weird and i let myself down by doing this.

any advice?

HITMANHEALY

Kingdom wrote: »

The two Old County lads were the two that came into my head as I'd know them well, that wasn't mentioning players like Andy Lowe, who when he gets it into the head is a fine player, Gary McGreal, a Semi Finalist in the Leinster matchplay a few yrs ago, not really playing anymore.
There are a whole host of players around Dublin not in contention that would do justice in an inter county,
O'Connor, Collins, Mithen, bert Kelly another superb player that just seemed to stop playing, lads from Lucan, like Kane, Gallagher, Keegan, McMahon, all super players.

a point about the Lougho lads, in partìcular Eoin, I remember him saying he couldn't enter the matchplay competitions due to not having time to travel during the week, that is another reason why it might be practical to bring trials into Dublin. Reserve two places for wild cards and have trials for the rest. Is it practicle to county matchplay towards a county team?

They should just enter the loguho team in for the inter county- Myself Eoin Mithen, terry O donnell, Tom Mason, Hubert Kelly, JR Crangle some sqaud i think, we wouldnt need selectors lol

Kingdom

GerCPM wrote: »

I wouldnt be so sure about that Kingdom.Thornberry has to win it the same as me.Hes failed to qualify for LeinsterS/P and NationalS/P dont forget but a top 5 finish in DublinS/P and he has a great chance.Id love to see him get on the team but he has to win DubMply semis I dont think isnt good enough.To answer TIPPERMANS question yes Skinner won Lucan but thats his home track.

Fair point Ger as I said I was unsure of what way people were fixed this year. Normally in Dublin there is 4/5 people who qualify for all the comps, this year is way open, and you have as good a chance as anyone.

Kingdom

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

I need serious answers do this lads, its a problem i have had in years adn would need advice

My form between Strokeplay and Matchplay is so different - Matchplay I can concentrate for the whole game, Being aggressive is my game but cant seem to put into strokeplay, it has let me down, a number of guys say for a senior u take too many 4's but i score as many 2's as the top qualifiers. I cant fully concentrate in a 3 ball its weird and i let myself down by doing this.

any advice?

Not sure what to say to that Gary? You can always transfer you're matchplay mentality to the 3 ball by aiming to beat the 2 players your playing with, usually you'd be out with 1 decent senior, or 1 senior with realistic ambitions of qualifying.
I do always try to get get a 2 every 3 holes. I never think of the 4's, if you were to shoot that you'd end up with a 96, which will qualify you for every strokeplay comp in Dublin, and chances are if you are disciplined enough to do 1 2 every 3 holes, you will get small runs of them.

Kingdom

Wigertoods wrote: »

Whilst I totally agree with you comments and the the fact that it is a crying shame that Paul has been overlooked for a place on the Inter county team up to now I must point out that Hitman has a few inaccuracies in his assesment of Paul's progress this year.
Paul didn't finish 4th in the Leinster s/p,that went to Sean Harkins who lost out on third to Willy Buckley on back 18.Paul finished 2 shots further back in joint 8th.Also his loss in the Dublin m/p to Jim Mclaughlin also from Erin's isle was in the last 16 and not the last 8 as Hitman has claimed.
I do believe though that Paul has played well enough this year not to overlooked again and would say that he well deserves to be there.

I thought Harkins performance was good in the Leinster and was something quite overlooked in the aftermath.

Also Paul has shown a commitment to the game that has surpassed anything I've ever heard of before by competing in the Leinster mere hours after his wedding finished.
He's a lucky man to have such a considerate wife. I'm not so fortunate

Tipperman

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

I need serious answers do this lads, its a problem i have had in years adn would need advice

My form between Strokeplay and Matchplay is so different - Matchplay I can concentrate for the whole game, Being aggressive is my game but cant seem to put into strokeplay, it has let me down, a number of guys say for a senior u take too many 4's but i score as many 2's as the top qualifiers. I cant fully concentrate in a 3 ball its weird and i let myself down by doing this.

any advice?

I must start charging for all the advice I am giving... Next minute all you guys will be hammering me........

Matchplay is a great game but remember it always YOU V OPPONENT...... That is the beauty of it.. Make a mistake what harm but it agreed it is easier to concentrate in Matchplay... The reason for this is in Strokeplay you may want to know what is going on around you but in Matchplay it makes no difference as you have to win your match to advance etc... Strokeplay is a tough game as you are against competitors and the course... When in a 3 ball it can be hard to concentrate especially if you are going well..If you have to wait for your fellow players to hole out all the time it can get frustrating but PATIENCE is a virtue us MEN very seldom have.. In my opinion a top player who is playing well at the time will never make mistakes i.e bogeys.
The standard is gone so high now that a Bogey sets a player back nearly 2 shots as when you take a bogey you can be sure of a lad in front or behind you will be making Birdie....

Hitman, what you have been told is correct in my opinion... I played a Scr Cup this year that I won in Lakeside.. I had 19 birdies and 35 pars... The lad that came second had 26 birdies, 19 pars and 9 bogeys and I won the competition by 2 shots... That is difference really.. Making mistakes will always stop you performing to the best of your ability...

Concentration is a mental thing I have to say..

HITMANHEALY

Kingdom wrote: »

Not sure what to say to that Gary? You can always transfer you're matchplay mentality to the 3 ball by aiming to beat the 2 players your playing with, usually you'd be out with 1 decent senior, or 1 senior with realistic ambitions of qualifying.
I do always try to get get a 2 every 3 holes. I never think of the 4's, if you were to shoot that you'd end up with a 96, which will qualify you for every strokeplay comp in Dublin, and chances are if you are disciplined enough to do 1 2 every 3 holes, you will get small runs of them.

thanks kingdom, ill try that out for the tullamore scratch cup

HITMANHEALY

Tipperman wrote: »

I must start charging for all the advice I am giving... Next minute all you guys will be hammering me........

Matchplay is a great game but remember it always YOU V OPPONENT...... That is the beauty of it.. Make a mistake what harm but it agreed it is easier to concentrate in Matchplay... The reason for this is in Strokeplay you may want to know what is going on around you but in Matchplay it makes no difference as you have to win your match to advance etc... Strokeplay is a tough game as you are against competitors and the course... When in a 3 ball it can be hard to concentrate especially if you are going well..If you have to wait for your fellow players to hole out all the time it can get frustrating but PATIENCE is a virtue us MEN very seldom have.. In my opinion a top player who is playing well at the time will never make mistakes i.e bogeys.
The standard is gone so high now that a Bogey sets a player back nearly 2 shots as when you take a bogey you can be sure of a lad in front or behind you will be making Birdie....

Hitman, what you have been told is correct in my opinion... I played a Scr Cup this year that I won in Lakeside.. I had 19 birdies and 35 pars... The lad that came second had 26 birdies, 19 pars and 9 bogeys and I won the competition by 2 shots... That is difference really.. Making mistakes will always stop you performing to the best of your ability...

Concentration is a mental thing I have to say..

Cheers tipper ill bare all that in mind i am going to try and relax and not be as hyper before competitions that might be it as well lol

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

Not sure what to say to that Gary? You can always transfer you're matchplay mentality to the 3 ball by aiming to beat the 2 players your playing with, usually you'd be out with 1 decent senior, or 1 senior with realistic ambitions of qualifying.
I do always try to get get a 2 every 3 holes. I never think of the 4's, if you were to shoot that you'd end up with a 96, which will qualify you for every strokeplay comp in Dublin, and chances are if you are disciplined enough to do 1 2 every 3 holes, you will get small runs of them.

One point to bare in mind... You should never, ever forecast what you are going to do before you play in Strokeplay i.e I will def do 93 today as you are pressurising yourself immediately..... Set a target by all means but never say to someone that you are will do a score... I had a habit of doing that as a Juvenile when a Former No 1 in the game gave me the best advice that I still us today when he said
" Talk about the score after you've done it, not beforehand"

Always think of that lads...... No one has the authority in this game to say they are going to do scores before they get out on the course..... Everyday is a new day....

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

One point to bare in mind... You should never, ever forecast what you are going to do before you play in Strokeplay i.e I will def do 93 today as you are pressurising yourself immediately..... Set a target by all means but never say to someone that you are will do a score... I had a habit of doing that as a Juvenile when a Former No 1 in the game gave me the best advice that I still us today when he said
" Talk about the score after you've done it, not beforehand"

Always think of that lads...... No one has the authority in this game to say they are going to do scores before they get out on the course..... Everyday is a new day....

Good advice tipperman, making a prediction on what score you'll do is suicide, and its something you'll rarely hear a senior say. I got the impression Hitman was wondering what he was doing wrong in strokeplay qualifiers as opposed to finals, hence my advice. At the end of the day the aim of the qualifiers is just to get your foot in the door, it doesn't matter what position you qualify in.
therefore if you aim to get a birdie in every 3 hole group ( and don't give any thought to bogeys etc you won't go far wrong. There's no harm in reckoning what score will be needed to qualify for things ( case in point the Nat qual @ RGSC last week - if someone asked me what you'd need to do I'd have immediately said break a 100 and you're in - there's nothing wrong with that its human nature) but to set unrealistic goals are the problem.

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

I must start charging for all the advice I am giving... Next minute all you guys will be hammering me........

Sure didn't you scab that advice off someone yourself....

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

Good advice tipperman, making a prediction on what score you'll do is suicide, and its something you'll rarely hear a senior say. I got the impression Hitman was wondering what he was doing wrong in strokeplay qualifiers as opposed to finals, hence my advice. At the end of the day the aim of the qualifiers is just to get your foot in the door, it doesn't matter what position you qualify in.
therefore if you aim to get a birdie in every 3 hole group ( and don't give any thought to bogeys etc you won't go far wrong. There's no harm in reckoning what score will be needed to qualify for things ( case in point the Nat qual @ RGSC last week - if someone asked me what you'd need to do I'd have immediately said break a 100 and you're in - there's nothing wrong with that its human nature) but to set unrealistic goals are the problem.

Point is taken on Board:p Jesus we do nothing for " The Company mate:D

Anyway like you say, get the foot in the door at the quals and then you have time to try and get the best chair at the table...

Your point of a birdie every 3 holes is a valid one but as you say you can get streaky then which is always nice and improves your round quicker... One thing though which can cause players problems... Say you get to -10 after 27 and 90 is posted after 36 but the cut is -12 etc... A lot of players strive to make the cut instead of making that extra push and try to get to lets say -15 or -16...A big mistake players make is trying to play safe.. Huge NO NO as this is where you will make errors... Why change your attitude when it has served so well for lets say 30 holes....I know not all players try and protect their scores but when I see I cringe as players will never improve if they can't get into the melting pot of competitions....

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

Sure didn't you scab that advice off someone yourself....

LOL dead right and it has stood me well in the recent times TG.....:rolleyes:

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

Point is taken on Board:p Jesus we do nothing for " The Company mate:D

Your point of a birdie every 3 holes is a valid one but as you say you can get streaky then which is always nice and improves your round quicker... One thing though which can cause players problems... Say you get to -10 after 27 and 90 is posted after 36 but the cut is -12 etc... A lot of players strive to make the cut instead of making that extra push and try to get to lets say -15 or -16...A big mistake players make is trying to play safe.. Huge NO NO as this is where you will make errors... Why change your attitude when it has served so well for lets say 30 holes....I know not all players try and protect their scores but when I see I cringe as players will never improve if they can't get into the melting pot of competitions....

thing is though my work doesn't start till you're home and on the course tipperman, at least I've an excuse for my slacking!

The point that you made that I highlighted though is a good one and its something you see a lot of the time, Its like lads get a mental block or they've reached the wall and thats the goal achieved. To be fair thats the difference between the elite players and the next level in the senior grade - the ability to kick on and post the very good scores.

HITMANHEALY

Well done to Ger and Darren who make it an all CPM final, well done lads and good luck tonight, hopefully i can go out tonight to watch it

Kingdom

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Well done to Ger and Darren who make it an all CPM final, well done lads and good luck tonight, hopefully i can go out tonight to watch it

Yep I'd like to echo those sentiments and offer best wishes to my old mucker Robbie Ryan in the inters. It says he had a bizarre win over Richard Harkins, I'd be happy with a bizarre win over Richie in the Leinster in a couple of weeks.

The senior game should be tense with an Intercounty place on the line.

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

Yep I'd like to echo those sentiments and offer best wishes to my old mucker Robbie Ryan in the inters. It says he had a bizarre win over Richard Harkins, I'd be happy with a bizarre win over Richie in the Leinster in a couple of weeks.

The senior game should be tense with an Intercounty place on the line.

In fairness to Darren & Ger they really seemed to have excelled in this competition.... As Kingdom says both players have 3 things to play for now

1 - Dublin Matchplay Champion - Feat in itself
2 - Possible Dublin Inter County Spot
3- 10 Ranking points which in fairness will push either player well up...

Both players will be very eager to do well, which in its own way might curtail this final from being a classic..If both players can relax and try and enjoy the occassion (new territory for both players) it could be a spectacle but both players will know the possible rewards of winning it so in the end it will come down to who can handle the pressure the most....;)

Jabba Da Putt

Tipperman wrote: »

In fairness to Darren & Ger they really seemed to have excelled in this competition.... As Kingdom says both players have 3 things to play for now

1 - Dublin Matchplay Champion - Feat in itself
2 - Possible Dublin Inter County Spot
3- 10 Ranking points which in fairness will push either player well up...

Both players will be very eager to do well, which in its own way might curtail this final from being a classic..If both players can relax and try and enjoy the occassion (new territory for both players) it could be a spectacle but both players will know the possible rewards of winning it so in the end it will come down to who can handle the pressure the most....;)

Fair play to the lads, had them both down as the underdogs last night but to come away from your own course & both win is a great achievement for them & their club. Final could go either way because they know each other well, could be nervy or they could play off each other as they normally would do playing together, hopefullly the latter.
Delighted to see Rob in the final too, hopefully he can bring home the bacon.

Draupnir

Kingdom wrote: »

I do always try to get get a 2 every 3 holes.

Just wanted to follow up on this, I took this little tip on board and in practice last night this was what I aimed for, a 2 every 3 holes.

Played 2 balls and ended up 4 under on both which is very good scoring for me at this point. I found that breaking the course up into 3 hole sections made it much easier to concentrate on each hole and also made it easier to forget the mistakes and bogeys.

Thanks for the tip anyway Kingdom, I definitely think it will be useful for me.

Mister Sifter

Draupnir wrote: »

Just wanted to follow up on this, I took this little tip on board and in practice last night this was what I aimed for, a 2 every 3 holes.

Played 2 balls and ended up 4 under on both which is very good scoring for me at this point. I found that breaking the course up into 3 hole sections made it much easier to concentrate on each hole and also made it easier to forget the mistakes and bogeys.

Thanks for the tip anyway Kingdom, I definitely think it will be useful for me.

That's a good tip that i even somtimes use myself in golf. Its very easy to think, back nine, front nine. But nine holes is alot. Breaking it up into sections of three is a great idea.

Tipperman

Draupnir wrote: »

Just wanted to follow up on this, I took this little tip on board and in practice last night this was what I aimed for, a 2 every 3 holes.

Played 2 balls and ended up 4 under on both which is very good scoring for me at this point. I found that breaking the course up into 3 hole sections made it much easier to concentrate on each hole and also made it easier to forget the mistakes and bogeys.

Thanks for the tip anyway Kingdom, I definitely think it will be useful for me.

Draupnir

Another useful tip can be:

When you are practicing, use i.e Titleist 1 & Titleist 2 etc and take on each ball and this will help you score better also... Reason for this is it keeps the mind in competition mode even though you are only practicing.. I do this everytime I practice but it does mean that you may have to practice on your own but I find playing on your own to be the best practice especiall with leading into big comps....Try it anyway and see if it works for ya...;)

Draupnir

Tipperman wrote: »

Draupnir

Another useful tip can be:

When you are practicing, use i.e Titleist 1 & Titleist 2 etc and take on each ball and this will help you score better also... Reason for this is it keeps the mind in competition mode even though you are only practicing.. I do this everytime I practice but it does mean that you may have to practice on your own but I find playing on your own to be the best practice especiall with leading into big comps....Try it anyway and see if it works for ya...;)

Mad that you should mention that Tipper! I played a Titleist 1 versus a Titleist 3 last night and the 1 beat the 3 2 and 1, I played out the strokes for both to see what scores I would have.

A great tip though and it was the first time I'd practiced alone for a couple of weeks. I definitely found practicing on my own much better, less chat going on and I took a lot more time over putts. I think I might be rushing in competitions over putts to try not hold up whoever I am playing with. Will work on that.

Kingdom

Lads a question for your superb collective knowledge, its a serious question so please less p*sstaking than usual.

If one was to start a new pitch and putt club what would be needed. Opinions sought !

Thanks.

Draupnir

1. A course!

Kingdom

Draupnir wrote: »

1. A course!

If land was acquired.

Kingdom

Draupnir wrote: »

Just wanted to follow up on this, I took this little tip on board and in practice last night this was what I aimed for, a 2 every 3 holes.

Played 2 balls and ended up 4 under on both which is very good scoring for me at this point. I found that breaking the course up into 3 hole sections made it much easier to concentrate on each hole and also made it easier to forget the mistakes and bogeys.

Thanks for the tip anyway Kingdom, I definitely think it will be useful for me.

No problem draupnir, I'm sure someone gave the same piece of advice to me at some stage.

Draupnir

I think that if land was acquired then thats a huge part of the battle really. However, actually developing the course (i.e. greens) could take a fair amount of time. If you want to pay for professional green production companies to create the greens they could be ready for play very quickly, to create them yourself might mean that it takes months before they are playable. If you have someone with experience in green maintenance and building then it would be very enjoyable to go that way in my opinion.

Then of course you need to build a clubhouse. I would say your main obstacle is money and getting land. After that then I would say that everything that needs to be done would be enjoyable but stressful i.e. designing the course, laying the greens, building the clubhouse, building tee boxes and then maintaining the course.

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

Lads a question for your superb collective knowledge, its a serious question so please less p*sstaking than usual.

If one was to start a new pitch and putt club what would be needed. Opinions sought !

Thanks.

Is it a Club you want to start up on an existing private course or a new Club from Scratch

HITMANHEALY

Its quite easy mate

First of all

Capital (running costs)
Land (as mentioned)
A committee (incl.s setting up bank accounts, dealing with council, esb etc, then register with ppui, green keepers)

Advertising for members

That be main thing Kingdom

Draupnir

Dont forget time, setting it up will require a LOT of time.