Pitch And Putt

Tipperman

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

Its quite easy mate

First of all

Capital (running costs)
Land (as mentioned)
A committee (incl.s setting up bank accounts, dealing with council, esb etc, then register with ppui, green keepers)

Advertising for members

That be main thing Kingdom

It is actually a little trickier that you may think to be honest.. Before you set up a committee, each club under PPUI constitution has to have 3 Trustee's... This could be your first obstacle especially when setting out for the first time..

Building greens is not the major Problem in fairness... I know Martyns in Galway are the only dealer in the Country that deal with the correct grass for greens and they bring it in from the UK but they are reasonable in price... You could look at a course that may be closing down if you know of anyway and actually buy their greens from them.. This was done when IGB closed down some years ago... The greens would be expensive though if you were to sand base all of them.. Brian Webster told me he put 6 greens in Ryston with the Sod from Martyns at a cost of €1500 for the sod which is very good... I would definitely approach Brian if you were thinking of designing a course.. He is now Head Greenkeeper at Dundrum Golf & Country Club...

Tee Boxes are the least of your worries... I was involved in putting in 19 Tee Boxes into a Club in Feb that cost €9k for Tee Box, Mats and Signs.. They came up great...

Committee is the next thing as you well know Kingdom.. You know enough about that anyway

Capital... Ensure to put in for Grants from Lotto, local Co Council, local Urban Council if applicable...

I wreckon if you started the framework for a course today... Planned out what you wanted precisely.. Say you started designing shots by July... I can see no reason why your course would not be open for the Start of next season.. To avail of this though, you need the required expertise....

It will take a lot of patience and dedication but it something I have say myself I have always wanted to do... If you have prime location, your laughing with Green Fees etc as they will be your bigger source of Income every year...

Clubhouse will be the biggest task but how many clubs in the country are still using those Cabin types that you see on Building Sites.. I would get the course running first and then concentrate on Clubhouse...

Best of luck in the venture, if you are planning it;)

Kingdom

basically there's been a lot of complaining about town that there's all building and no amenitites nothing new happening, no outlet for new residents to attach themselves too. I am pitching the idea of a P+P club to the councillors and the two I've contacted have been extremely positive with one planning to meet me next week, while I'm sending out feeders to the local groups and a few have expressed an interest.
There was a society about 3 yrs ago that had a group of about 40ish members. They used McDonagh course but is disbanded for a few reasons, travel, bad course at times, and one of the people who is interested in the idea is a former member of this society and reckons there is scope there.
Initially I suppose the interest has to be there, but having said that the idea has to be sold properly or I know for a fact that it won't be what would be needed.
The main sticking point would be if the council are involved they'd probably be looking to turn a profit on it, which would be far from ideal.

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

basically there's been a lot of complaining about town that there's all building and no amenitites nothing new happening, no outlet for new residents to attach themselves too. I am pitching the idea of a P+P club to the councillors and the two I've contacted have been extremely positive with one planning to meet me next week, while I'm sending out feeders to the local groups and a few have expressed an interest.
There was a society about 3 yrs ago that had a group of about 40ish members. They used McDonagh course but is disbanded for a few reasons, travel, bad course at times, and one of the people who is interested in the idea is a former member of this society and reckons there is scope there.
Initially I suppose the interest has to be there, but having said that the idea has to be sold properly or I know for a fact that it won't be what would be needed.
The main sticking point would be if the council are involved they'd probably be looking to turn a profit on it, which would be far from ideal.

One way you can do get away from Council profiteering is to Lease the Land from them for let's say 25 years etc.. Lakeside do that but I have to compliment Templemore UDC as they are great to us and we have a great rapport with them.....I would think the Lease would work as if the course is on land that is currently not being utilised, they would be glad to see extra money coming in... I would negotiate hard though on lease as you can't crucify yourselves each year before you open the doors... If you got it for around €2k a year it wouldn't be bad... In a town the size of what you are talking about, it is bad that they don't have a course anyway but am I right in saying there is a Par3 golf course there... Could be an easy way to attract members as you can be sure P&P rates will be cheaper anyway

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

basically there's been a lot of complaining about town that there's all building and no amenitites nothing new happening, no outlet for new residents to attach themselves too. I am pitching the idea of a P+P club to the councillors and the two I've contacted have been extremely positive with one planning to meet me next week, while I'm sending out feeders to the local groups and a few have expressed an interest.
There was a society about 3 yrs ago that had a group of about 40ish members. They used McDonagh course but is disbanded for a few reasons, travel, bad course at times, and one of the people who is interested in the idea is a former member of this society and reckons there is scope there.
Initially I suppose the interest has to be there, but having said that the idea has to be sold properly or I know for a fact that it won't be what would be needed.
The main sticking point would be if the council are involved they'd probably be looking to turn a profit on it, which would be far from ideal.

Kingdom

I meant to ask originally... How big is the land involved.. To have any sort of decent course for health & safety reasons etc you would need about 5-7 acres...

Best of luck with the meeting next week....

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

It is actually a little trickier that you may think to be honest.. Before you set up a committee, each club under PPUI constitution has to have 3 Trustee's... This could be your first obstacle especially when setting out for the first time..

Building greens is not the major Problem in fairness... I know Martyns in Galway are the only dealer in the Country that deal with the correct grass for greens and they bring it in from the UK but they are reasonable in price... You could look at a course that may be closing down if you know of anyway and actually buy their greens from them.. This was done when IGB closed down some years ago... The greens would be expensive though if you were to sand base all of them.. Brian Webster told me he put 6 greens in Ryston with the Sod from Martyns at a cost of €1500 for the sod which is very good... I would definitely approach Brian if you were thinking of designing a course.. He is now Head Greenkeeper at Dundrum Golf & Country Club...

Tee Boxes are the least of your worries... I was involved in putting in 19 Tee Boxes into a Club in Feb that cost €9k for Tee Box, Mats and Signs.. They came up great...

Committee is the next thing as you well know Kingdom.. You know enough about that anyway

Capital... Ensure to put in for Grants from Lotto, local Co Council, local Urban Council if applicable...

I wreckon if you started the framework for a course today... Planned out what you wanted precisely.. Say you started designing shots by July... I can see no reason why your course would not be open for the Start of next season.. To avail of this though, you need the required expertise....

It will take a lot of patience and dedication but it something I have say myself I have always wanted to do... If you have prime location, your laughing with Green Fees etc as they will be your bigger source of Income every year...

Clubhouse will be the biggest task but how many clubs in the country are still using those Cabin types that you see on Building Sites.. I would get the course running first and then concentrate on Clubhouse...

Best of luck in the venture, if you are planning it;)

I'll be upfront about it, there would be no need for a Larkspur Park or a Lakeside yet, I'd be quite happy with a good solid club even if its just a nine hole course.
Same goes for clubhouse - its not a necessity now, as a cabin will do fine.
As I said earlier, this would be a thing of progression I reckon.
Tipperman sorting a committee wouldn't be a problem and I dopn't think trustees would either. There are a lot of good people in that regard in Port.
The cost of greens and tee boxes has knocked me for 6 I'm afraid, as I was slightly naive in that regard.

Lads thanks though the advice has been super, I'll take everything on board and if there any developments or that I'll let ye know.

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

One way you can do get away from Council profiteering is to Lease the Land from them for let's say 25 years etc.. Lakeside do that but I have to compliment Templemore UDC as they are great to us and we have a great rapport with them.....I would think the Lease would work as if the course is on land that is currently not being utilised, they would be glad to see extra money coming in... I would negotiate hard though on lease as you can't crucify yourselves each year before you open the doors... If you got it for around €2k a year it wouldn't be bad... In a town the size of what you are talking about, it is bad that they don't have a course anyway but am I right in saying there is a Par3 golf course there... Could be an easy way to attract members as you can be sure P&P rates will be cheaper anyway

Tipperman if we were able to negotiate a lease decent enough I'd paid it myself. As you say the town is big, about 3.5k at this stage and the lack of facilities outside of the big 4 sports are funny.
There are 4 potential sites I've identified but I'm brutal in terms of measuring acres so I'll have to get back to you on that.

There is a par 3 in the Heritage with very good rates (7.50 a round) but the distances are extremely long.

Right lads i'm gone.

FlawedGenius

Kingdom wrote: »

Yep I'd like to echo those sentiments and offer best wishes to my old mucker Robbie Ryan in the inters. It says he had a bizarre win over Richard Harkins, I'd be happy with a bizarre win over Richie in the Leinster in a couple of weeks.

The senior game should be tense with an Intercounty place on the line.

If i had of beaten Richard I would of played you Kingdom.Yesterday he came up to me and said he wownt be able to make it his best friends wedding is on.Hes going to ask county board if i could play which wownt happen and wouldn't feel rite for me.Thanks lads

Tipperman

Kingdom wrote: »

I'll be upfront about it, there would be no need for a Larkspur Park or a Lakeside yet, I'd be quite happy with a good solid club even if its just a nine hole course.
Same goes for clubhouse - its not a necessity now, as a cabin will do fine.
As I said earlier, this would be a thing of progression I reckon.
Tipperman sorting a committee wouldn't be a problem and I dopn't think trustees would either. There are a lot of good people in that regard in Port.
The cost of greens and tee boxes has knocked me for 6 I'm afraid, as I was slightly naive in that regard.

Lads thanks though the advice has been super, I'll take everything on board and if there any developments or that I'll let ye know.

Kingdom.

You would build 18 greens with that sod I am talking about for about €5k, Tee Boxes for €9k, Fairway Mower €5kmax, Greens Machine €3kmax. Thats what you need to have course at decent standard.... Fella called Toher Grasscare in Ballacolla, Co Laois so wont be far from you... In the Lotto Grants last year a Cork Course got €80k to get started but everything fell through.. If you had Council with you, no prob getting money

Jabba Da Putt

GerCPM wrote: »

If i had of beaten Richard I would of played you Kingdom.Yesterday he came up to me and said he wownt be able to make it his best friends wedding is on.Hes going to ask county board if i could play which wownt happen and wouldn't feel rite for me.Thanks lads

Thats unfortunate Ger, their really is no excuse for this other then total emergency's, I don't know the in's & out's of it but surely he had more then 6 weeks notice of his best friends wedding??
I've heard a few instances of this happening over the years, really annoys me, a total lack of respect for fellow players.

In my opinion culprits should be made pay the entry fee's of everyone they beat to qualify & not allowed enter the next year.

Tipperman

Jabba Da Putt wrote: »

Thats unfortunate Ger, their really is no excuse for this other then total emergency's, I don't know the in's & out's of it but surely he had more then 6 weeks notice of his best friends wedding??
I've heard a few instances of this happening over the years, really annoys me, a total lack of respect for fellow players.

In my opinion culprits should be made pay the entry fee's of everyone they beat to qualify.

This has happened to me twice years ago by the same fella who beat me in the Munster Matchplay Quals and didn't turn up either time.. It really aggrevates me as you have Ger now who would have loved to play in that comp (might have improved his prospects of Inter County Slot etc) and the fella that beats him can't go.. Jabba, agree with you that he had to know about the wedding, mabye forgot but still not good enough... I would be extremely surprised if Ger got into the comp as the Draw has been made but no harm in trying.... If he fails to turn up, in years gone by you would be suspended from that comp but I am not sure what happens now... Disgraceful though

Wigertoods

Kingdom wrote: »

I'll be upfront about it, there would be no need for a Larkspur Park or a Lakeside yet, I'd be quite happy with a good solid club even if its just a nine hole course.
Same goes for clubhouse - its not a necessity now, as a cabin will do fine.
As I said earlier, this would be a thing of progression I reckon.
Tipperman sorting a committee wouldn't be a problem and I dopn't think trustees would either. There are a lot of good people in that regard in Port.
The cost of greens and tee boxes has knocked me for 6 I'm afraid, as I was slightly naive in that regard.

Lads thanks though the advice has been super, I'll take everything on board and if there any developments or that I'll let ye know.

The cost of tee boxes could be offset a little if you could get them sponsored by some business' in the local community and have the sponsors name on the tee stand.
As for the greens,cy had eight greens replaced 18 months ago and i think the cost was close to the €1000 mark without Labour.

FlawedGenius

Jabba Da Putt wrote: »

Thats unfortunate Ger, their really is no excuse for this other then total emergency's, I don't know the in's & out's of it but surely he had more then 6 weeks notice of his best friends wedding??
I've heard a few instances of this happening over the years, really annoys me, a total lack of respect for fellow players.

In my opinion culprits should be made pay the entry fee's of everyone they beat to qualify & not allowed enter the next year.

He said he only found out last week or something.He was very apologetic about it, it was a genuine mistake.I dont hold any grudges hes a sound fela.He is an inter at the end of the day so i fancied Kingdom to win easy.

Tipperman

GerCPM wrote: »

He said he only found out last week or something.He was very apologetic about it, it was a genuine mistake.I dont hold any grudges hes a sound fela.He is an inter at the end of the day so i fancied Kingdom to win easy.

Well then, once your ok with it, there should be no problem with anyone else.. It does seem like a genuine mistake from what you are saying....

Best of luck tonight??? Head down and hole up!!!

HITMANHEALY

Jabba Da Putt wrote: »

Thats unfortunate Ger, their really is no excuse for this other then total emergency's, I don't know the in's & out's of it but surely he had more then 6 weeks notice of his best friends wedding??
I've heard a few instances of this happening over the years, really annoys me, a total lack of respect for fellow players.

In my opinion culprits should be made pay the entry fee's of everyone they beat to qualify & not allowed enter the next year.

This has really annoyed me - there will be actions to take if one does not compete in competitions and others could have played

HITMANHEALY

GerCPM wrote: »

He said he only found out last week or something.He was very apologetic about it, it was a genuine mistake.I dont hold any grudges hes a sound fela.He is an inter at the end of the day so i fancied Kingdom to win easy.

Ger this is not on, i will be speaking to the player in question

DT_CPM

Hey all - your forum is really getting around. I heard a lot of people mentioning it during the week. Some great points made, particularly by 'kingdom' - be careful kingom, the NEC will be looking to poach you!

One point made was the fixture/calender issue and christy mentioned it last night as a problem also. He reckoned last years calender was closer to the way it should be - expect to see a proposal from the Dublin Board next year about this and I would encourage other clubs in other counties to highlight it also if we want to change it.

I see 'best wishes' to both Ger and myself from several people so thanks for that.

The match last night was a great match in itself. Ger went 2 up then I went 2 up then Ger went 2 up again before I went 3 up with 5 to play. One decent pitch to the elevated 14th and I was halfway home but no - out the back it went and Ger nailed it. He then nails the 15th and I left my 3 foot put short on the lip - back to 1. Ger then chips in on 16 but I got my 3 foot put this time. We both missed our 10 ft puts on 17 and up 18 it went. Both found the green with me to go first - I raced it about 3 ft passed but Ger did likewise. He knocked his par putt in but thankfully so did I and that was that.

I'm sure Ger is dissapointed, I would have been if I had of lost but Ger will be back - he is championship material, no doubt about it.

DT.

Kingdom

GerCPM wrote: »

If i had of beaten Richard I would of played you Kingdom.Yesterday he came up to me and said he wownt be able to make it his best friends wedding is on.Hes going to ask county board if i could play which wownt happen and wouldn't feel rite for me.Thanks lads

Sorry to hear that Ger, the whole Leinster matchplay in Dublin seemed to be a bit of a farce, what with the amount of walkovers and now this.

Kingdom

Tipperman wrote: »

Kingdom.

You would build 18 greens with that sod I am talking about for about €5k, Tee Boxes for €9k, Fairway Mower €5kmax, Greens Machine €3kmax. Thats what you need to have course at decent standard.... Fella called Toher Grasscare in Ballacolla, Co Laois so wont be far from you... In the Lotto Grants last year a Cork Course got €80k to get started but everything fell through.. If you had Council with you, no prob getting money

Tipperman, much thanks to you, all these little tips are priceless. Its good to bring all these things to the table to begin with rather than things going in dribs and drabs.

Am I right in thinking that this was a brand new club in Co.Cork, with zero facilities that had been approved Lotto aid>?
That is encouraging to say the least.

Kingdom

Wigertoods wrote: »

The cost of tee boxes could be offset a little if you could get them sponsored by some business' in the local community and have the sponsors name on the tee stand.
As for the greens,cy had eight greens replaced 18 months ago and i think the cost was close to the €1000 mark without Labour.

Yes Wiger this was something else I had thought of, to offset cost a little. There are numerous businesses in the town and I'm sure a few would be willing to part with a few $$$$!

Kingdom

HITMANHEALY wrote: »

This has really annoyed me - there will be actions to take if one does not compete in competitions and others could have played

Gary would I be right in saying this isn't the first time with this player, its certainly not the first with a Lougho player in a championship this year.

Kingdom

DT_CPM wrote: »

Hey all - your forum is really getting around. I heard a lot of people mentioning it during the week. Some great points made, particularly by 'kingdom' - be careful kingom, the NEC will be looking to poach you!

One point made was the fixture/calender issue and christy mentioned it last night as a problem also. He reckoned last years calender was closer to the way it should be - expect to see a proposal from the Dublin Board next year about this and I would encourage other clubs in other counties to highlight it also if we want to change it.

I see 'best wishes' to both Ger and myself from several people so thanks for that.

The match last night was a great match in itself. Ger went 2 up then I went 2 up then Ger went 2 up again before I went 3 up with 5 to play. One decent pitch to the elevated 14th and I was halfway home but no - out the back it went and Ger nailed it. He then nails the 15th and I left my 3 foot put short on the lip - back to 1. Ger then chips in on 16 but I got my 3 foot put this time. We both missed our 10 ft puts on 17 and up 18 it went. Both found the green with me to go first - I raced it about 3 ft passed but Ger did likewise. He knocked his par putt in but thankfully so did I and that was that.

I'm sure Ger is dissapointed, I would have been if I had of lost but Ger will be back - he is championship material, no doubt about it.

DT.

Hey DT congrats last night, the finals in all the grades seemed very exciting, all going to the wire! First county title, name in lights and more than likely a spot on the intercounty team. There must be something in the water in CPM! Commiserations to Ger, but he's a young 'un and will bounce back as you say.

Its good to hear this forum is being mentioned although I'm worried at being to the forefront of the discussion. Hopefully more people get on board (oh the pun!), because the more that get involved the greater the chance of Pitch and Putt getting its own sub-forum at the very least.

If anyone is interested in having a sub forum, go to the Boards.ie Homepage, then select "System", "Forums" and add your name into the "Pitch and Putt forum" thread.

HITMANHEALY

Kingdom wrote: »

Gary would I be right in saying this isn't the first time with this player, its certainly not the first with a Lougho player in a championship this year.

Yes it is, and dont think it should be tollerated, and also one player not mentioning his name didnt turn up cause he wasn't in the mood

HITMANHEALY

DT_CPM wrote: »

Hey all - your forum is really getting around. I heard a lot of people mentioning it during the week. Some great points made, particularly by 'kingdom' - be careful kingom, the NEC will be looking to poach you!

One point made was the fixture/calender issue and christy mentioned it last night as a problem also. He reckoned last years calender was closer to the way it should be - expect to see a proposal from the Dublin Board next year about this and I would encourage other clubs in other counties to highlight it also if we want to change it.

I see 'best wishes' to both Ger and myself from several people so thanks for that.

The match last night was a great match in itself. Ger went 2 up then I went 2 up then Ger went 2 up again before I went 3 up with 5 to play. One decent pitch to the elevated 14th and I was halfway home but no - out the back it went and Ger nailed it. He then nails the 15th and I left my 3 foot put short on the lip - back to 1. Ger then chips in on 16 but I got my 3 foot put this time. We both missed our 10 ft puts on 17 and up 18 it went. Both found the green with me to go first - I raced it about 3 ft passed but Ger did likewise. He knocked his par putt in but thankfully so did I and that was that.

I'm sure Ger is dissapointed, I would have been if I had of lost but Ger will be back - he is championship material, no doubt about it.

DT.

DT delighted for you man, enjoy the year now, hard luck ger u'll have plenty of chances in the future

DT - that pitch on 18th by me - god could have changed alot but well done mate

Wigertoods

DT_CPM wrote: »

Hey all - your forum is really getting around. I heard a lot of people mentioning it during the week. Some great points made, particularly by 'kingdom' - be careful kingom, the NEC will be looking to poach you!

One point made was the fixture/calender issue and christy mentioned it last night as a problem also. He reckoned last years calender was closer to the way it should be - expect to see a proposal from the Dublin Board next year about this and I would encourage other clubs in other counties to highlight it also if we want to change it.

I see 'best wishes' to both Ger and myself from several people so thanks for that.

The match last night was a great match in itself. Ger went 2 up then I went 2 up then Ger went 2 up again before I went 3 up with 5 to play. One decent pitch to the elevated 14th and I was halfway home but no - out the back it went and Ger nailed it. He then nails the 15th and I left my 3 foot put short on the lip - back to 1. Ger then chips in on 16 but I got my 3 foot put this time. We both missed our 10 ft puts on 17 and up 18 it went. Both found the green with me to go first - I raced it about 3 ft passed but Ger did likewise. He knocked his par putt in but thankfully so did I and that was that.

I'm sure Ger is dissapointed, I would have been if I had of lost but Ger will be back - he is championship material, no doubt about it.

DT.

Congratulations Darren.No real suprise that you won one of the big ones this year,your form has been quite consistent all year.
Commiserations to you Ger,but as Darren has stated you will be around for a while you have time on your hands.

HITMANHEALY

P W D L PTS
Lucan 5 4 0 1 28
Loughlintown 4 3 0 1 23
Old County 5 1 0 4 17.5
CPM 4 2 0 2 17
Glenville 2 0 0 2 6.5

Draupnir

The northside table must be a bit tighter this morning, Shandon beat Portmarnock last night, final score was 5-4 I think

HITMANHEALY

Draupnir wrote: »

The northside table must be a bit tighter this morning, Shandon beat Portmarnock last night, final score was 5-4 I think

THanks draupnir i update the northside when i receive the other match result

HITMANHEALY

Going by last night results

Shandon 5 - 4 Portmarnock
RGSC 5.5 - 3.5 Ierne

Table as Follows

P W D L PTS
Ierne 5 3 0 2 27
Portmarnock 5 2 0 3 23.5
RGSC 5 3 0 2 21.5
Shandon 5 2 0 3 20
CYMC 4 2 0 2 16

Draupnir

Big win for RGSC, the northside table looks to be tightening up

Justog

anyone know what time first card is saturday glenville.