Missing Madeline - Anyone else sick of this?

vorbis · 15-05-2007 11:55PM

Firstly I'm not a parent. However, all these hypothetical situations (what if the kids cut themselves with a knife, went wandering and hurt themselves) are a little daft. Supposed the 3 year old wakes up at home at 3AM, walks into the kitchen, grabs a knife by the blade and cuts herself. Are the parents to blame in that situation?

Judging by some people here, its a massive risk to sleep through the night if you have kids! Be honest people, the chance of anything bad happening was ridicolously small. If a child is somehow going to seriously hurt himself / herself in the space of half an hour, I don't see how the same situation couldn't arise in the family home.

Mossy Monk · 16-05-2007 12:03AM

vorbis wrote:

Firstly I'm not a parent. However, all these hypothetical situations (what if the kids cut themselves with a knife, went wandering and hurt themselves) are a little daft. Supposed the 3 year old wakes up at home at 3AM, walks into the kitchen, grabs a knife by the blade and cuts herself. Are the parents to blame in that situation?

Judging by some people here, its a massive risk to sleep through the night if you have kids! Be honest people, the chance of anything bad happening was ridicolously small. If a child is somehow going to seriously hurt himself / herself in the space of half an hour, I don't see how the same situation couldn't arise in the family home.

Is it ok to leave children alone while the parents go out for a meal?

6th · 16-05-2007 12:07AM

There are plenty of dangers in the home but thats why people (reasonable people) try to child proof when they have young kids. I have safety gates on my stairs, safety latches on my draws which contain dangerous kitchen utensiles etc. So yeah the parents are reasonsible for their kids.

mkennedy · 16-05-2007 01:13AM

Mossy Monk wrote:

To those who dont understand. Read the whole post and see what Pighead quoted. Looks very obvious to me anyway.

I dunno.
I just got the impression Pighead was just being irreverent and not necessarily taking sides/making any serious point.

I say that because of his response on page 8 to Maccattack when he was going on about the where's wally/waldo character where
he says:

"Nobodys arguing with that point though Maccattack. Whats getting peoples goat is the opportunistic cads that are making money out of the whole sorry affair.
Pighead remembers a good few years ago this young kid called Wally went missing. Nobody could find the poor wee fcuker anywhere. Next thing you know theres a whole line of books and puzzles cashing in on the wee fellas plight. Thats the sort of blatant commercialism thats annoying some of us here."

was he taking sides there as well or just having a laugh- if he was making a point then the where's wally thing seems to be subtle sarcasm about people who get bothered by the commercialism of such cases.

anyway i just thought in the context of that post he wasn't being serious either way and was just having a laugh with Event's post. I just thought he was having fun debunking Event's "just change the channel" argument in itself and not necessarily arguing either way about the actual issue everyone else is getting upset about.

sorry for going way OT.

6th · 16-05-2007 09:14AM

Borat has a laugh in his movie but he still makes some strong points about the american culture ..... pighead is fighting the good fight using humour.

fatboypee · 16-05-2007 09:34AM

How many of you on here who are condemning the parents for this consider yourselves christian ?

IS there NO ounce of compassion for the little girl or her parents in you at all ?

So your Saturday Telly is disrupted by a touch of real life, so effing what !

Just for one nano second put yourselves in the position of the parents, would you like people putting you in a kangaroo court and convicting you ?

Or perhaps you're all sooooo bl000dy pure as to never have cocked anything up in the first place ??????

FBP.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 16-05-2007 10:48AM

How many of you on here who are condemning the parents for this consider yourselves christian ?

not me, I have common sense.

Tha Gopher · 16-05-2007 10:56AM

Mordeth wrote:

why is it that every time someone posts an opinion that deviates from the norm around here they are automatically accused of being 'controversial' just for the sake of it?

I can't curse at you, or call you names because I'd get banned but...

well, you know.

Hey Im with you, I think the personal abuse ban is retarded in itself but anyway. Come on though, it is pretty attention whoring

I think your posts are probably adversely influenced by the massive amount of drugs you admit to taking in the by now bi-weekly legalise drugs threads.

fatboy- the fact of the matter is that people who would rather risk something happening to their kids then spending 20 odd quid on a babysitter dont deserve sympathy, only criticism. The kids deserve synmpathy certainly, but for a pair of doctors to be so tight fisted as to risk their kids lives for the sake of 20 quid is beyond belief.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar · 16-05-2007 11:02AM

I think your posts are probably adversely influenced by the massive amount of drugs you admit to taking in the by now bi-weekly legalise drugs threads.

I think your posts are adversely influenced by the small cockless monster that lives up your left nostril.

ferdi · 16-05-2007 11:03AM

Sky News?
More like Sky Snooze!!

Eh? Eh?!!!;)

Tha Gopher · 16-05-2007 11:09AM

Pass us some sneachta Mordeth, that`ll dislodge the little fcuker.

Hagar wrote:

Don't get me wrong, I'm not suggesting that they should have.
I just think there is a whole lot more to this sorry story than meets the eye.

Possibly. I mentioned my view on this on the now dead original thread.

One line of inquiry is a sighting of a similiar child with a number of men and one woman. Women normally wouldnt have anything to do with molesters. However, for a staged kidnap, you might want a female around to mind the kid.
Leaving a child alone in a flat defys common sense for the general population, but a pair of doctors?
There is alot of money up for grabs right now

A suspected British kidnapper, baffling behaviour by wealthy, obviously intelligent parents in leaving the kid alone rather than paying a childminder, a female possibly involved (i.e. someone to mind the child) , the parents not particularly upset looking at some appearances, and a reward of close to 3 million for her safe return.......by George Ive cracked it. To the batmobile.

Its a long shot, but its not impossible in my view. Two seemingly intelligent people leaving kids of that age on their own just smacks of iffy.

delly · 16-05-2007 11:13AM

ferdi wrote:

Sky News?
More like Sky Snooze!!

Eh? Eh?!!!;)

Your coat sir, is over there...

Mossy Monk · 16-05-2007 11:30AM

fatboypee wrote:

How many of you on here who are condemning the parents for this consider yourselves christian ?

Uh, what has Christianity got to do with this?

luckat · 16-05-2007 11:52AM

The kids were only a few metres away. Take a look at the satellite photo on the BBC news report. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6661113.stm

6th · 16-05-2007 12:15PM

Whats a "few" to you?

Thats too far away but again I'll ask the question:

Why didnt they pay for a babysitter?!

county · 16-05-2007 12:17PM

luckat wrote:

The kids were only a few metres away. Take a look at the satellite photo on the BBC news report. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6661113.stm

40 yards i think

Femelade · 16-05-2007 12:41PM

luckat wrote:

The kids were only a few metres away. Take a look at the satellite photo on the BBC news report. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6661113.stm

That is way too far.
I am a single mother of a 6 yr old girl. I would never leave her alone, even if it was to run down the road to the shop (i'd be ther eand back in less han 10 mins)
But if i did..and something happened...i would probably be brought up for neglect and my name would be dragged through the mud by the media..
I feel sorry for the little girl and have some sympathy for the parents..they really should have known better. idiots tbh.

stovelid · 16-05-2007 01:31PM

OP, from what I can see it's entirely a Sky News and British tabloid led deluge about the case.

If you consume your news from these sources enough to get annoyed, you must be taking the p*ss if you complain about overkill.

thebaz · 16-05-2007 02:40PM

6th wrote:

There's not watching them 24/7 and then there's leaving 3 kids under 5 while you go out for dinner in a foreign country. You're not stupid I know you know the difference.

they were in a secure residence , and many many parents would have left children unattended in the same circumstances , they didn't leave the complex -- but you keep blaming the parents from your moral high ground , and i'll blame the abductors / paedos --

Femelade · 16-05-2007 02:59PM

thebaz wrote:

they were in a secure residence , and many many parents would have left children unattended in the same circumstances , they didn't leave the complex -- but you keep blaming the parents from your moral high ground , and i'll blame the abductors / paedos --

Are you for real..?
The abductors/paedos wouldnt have taken the child if the parents hadnt left them alone. It really was a very stupid thing to do..

are you a parent?

6th · 16-05-2007 03:00PM

thebaz wrote:

they were in a secure residence , and many many parents would have left children unattended in the same circumstances , they didn't leave the complex -- but you keep blaming the parents from your moral high ground , and i'll blame the abductors / paedos --

Its not moral highground I'm on its Mount Notafúckinstingyirresponsibleexcuseforaparent I'm standing on. I've already said the blame isn't 100 with the parents and I dont care what you say about them being on the complex. Why didnt they pay a babysitter? Are they in on it?

herbieflowers · 16-05-2007 03:05PM

It's futile to blame the parents - it happened, there's nothing that can be done about the decision they made.

6th · 16-05-2007 03:08PM

Sure then theres no point punishing the killer if she's already dead either? Not like it will bring her back? ... you get me?

_feedback_ · 16-05-2007 03:10PM

herbieflowers wrote:

It's futile to blame the parents - it happened, there's nothing that can be done about the decision they made.

You really should just read the full thread, it'd make your contribution better at the end. Again (as far as I can make out) nobody is blaming the parents 100% , a point was made that they shouldn't have left kids of that age alone... no matter how close by they were.

Simply put, if they were there, this wouldn't have happened.

Femmy you should leave that 'are you a parent?' question to the people who wont rest any of the blame on the parents... because you made a very good point for the 'are you a parent?' people earlier in the thread.

Femmy wrote:

That is way too far.
I am a single mother of a 6 yr old girl. I would never leave her alone, even if it was to run down the road to the shop (i'd be ther eand back in less han 10 mins)
But if i did..and something happened...i would probably be brought up for neglect and my name would be dragged through the mud by the media..
I feel sorry for the little girl and have some sympathy for the parents..they really should have known better. idiots tbh.

thebaz · 16-05-2007 03:13PM

Femmy wrote:

Are you for real..?
The abductors/paedos wouldnt have taken the child if the parents hadnt left them alone. It really was a very stupid thing to do..

are you a parent?

yes i am for real -- yes i am a parent living in the real world -- and plenty of parents in Ireland outside Ireland would leave children unattended for brief periods in a securish envionmet (e.g. hotel room) while they go for a drink -- but as i say jump on the bandwagon and cheaply blame the parents , they were extremly unfortunate and what they are going through now must be unimaganeable , and to lay the blame with them is SCARY (to me anyway)

thebaz · 16-05-2007 03:17PM

6th wrote:

Sure then theres no point punishing the killer if she's already dead either? Not like it will bring her back? ... you get me?

there is no comparison between the 2 events , again i find this outlook scary --

Board-in-work · 16-05-2007 03:20PM

This is a very tragic case. Totally feel for the parents here. As for posters suggesting the parents where 'in on it' and not being 'upset enough' - ludicrous. Immature posings.

I do however feel that the media are generating 'Princess Diana' type hysteria.

One thing to note is that every time the media reports on this, they underline the fact that 'The parents had line of sight' and were checking 'every half hour'. That they are 'not bad parents'.I am not suggesting they are bad parents. The parents are wealthy, Doctors. Middle class. Good Christians etc.

Compare that with little Ellie Lawrenson. Little girl mauled to death by a Pit Bull. Today her Uncle jailed for 8 weeks. Grandmother up for manslaughter. These parents are working class. Poor. Rough around the edges. Uncle had convictions for drug running etc. I doubt the parents of Madeline will go to prison.

Did I say double standards?

Femelade · 16-05-2007 03:22PM

thebaz wrote:

yes i am for real -- yes i am a parent living in the real world -- and plenty of parents in Ireland outside Ireland would leave children unattended for brief periods in a securish envionmet (e.g. hotel room) while they go for a drink

Oh for gods sake, Plenty of parents would leave their kids alone in a foreign country so they could go for a drink...?

Please..all the parents on this forum...hands up if you agrees with this

Like i said already, i wouldnt leave my daughter in my own home for 10 mins..not to mind a foreign place so i could go for a drink, its obsurd!

Mossy Monk · 16-05-2007 03:25PM

thebaz wrote:

but as i say jump on the bandwagon and cheaply blame the parents

To disagree with your view is jumping on a bandwagon now :rolleyes:.

herbieflowers · 16-05-2007 03:28PM

Board-in-work wrote:

This is a very tragic case. Totally feel for the parents here. As for posters suggesting the parents where 'in on it' and not being 'upset enough' - ludicrous. Immature posings.

I do however feel that the media are generating 'Princess Diana' type hysteria.

One thing to note is that every time the media reports on this, they underline the fact that 'The parents had line of sight' and were checking 'every half hour'. That they are 'not bad parents'.I am not suggesting they are bad parents. The parents are wealthy, Doctors. Middle class. Good Christians etc.

Compare that with little Ellie Lawrenson. Little girl mauled to death by a Pit Bull. Today her Uncle jailed for 8 weeks. Grandmother up for manslaughter. These parents are working class. Poor. Rough around the edges. Uncle had convictions for drug running etc. I doubt the parents of Madeline will go to prison.

Did I say double standards?

Situations are incomparable. The dog owned by the aforementioned jailed man was illegal. Thus he was responsible. Madeline McCann's parents did not do anything contravening judicial law per se, their moral/ethical decision could be questioned as this thread shows...

Missing Madeline - Anyone else sick of this?

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