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[US/IRL] 3X14 - "Exposé" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


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    basquille wrote:
    But does anyone actually care?

    Absolutely not, just little things I've picked up on and I suppose could go down as little inconsistencies in the show. Now for more serious matters...

    I gave this episode a 5, blatant filler episodes rarely get more than a 6 with me, but this rated fairly highly among fillers, my lowest rating ever was for "...In Translation", that got a 2 from me, it was muck.

    It was good to see the different viewpoints on the beach, it went right back to Pilot I, interesting to see things from the viewpoint of someone other than Jack for a change. Nikki & Paulo's story was fairly cool, but probably not worthy of more than one episode's attention.

    Also, great episode for the guys :D
    Kiele Sanchez poledancing in a bikini (and flashing her director afterwards) PLUS we saw her on her back for most of the episode...
    Maggie Grace appears once again (even if she's screaming like a spoilt brat amidst the wreckage of a crashed passenger jet)

    A welcome change from the (one) eye candy of recent episodes... more Mikhail Bakunin anyone?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


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    upmeath wrote:
    (i) who fed the female Medusa spider in its jar for the last 40/50 days since Arzt blew up? ("That's not the one Arzt caught, Nikki went out with a glass jar and caught her own female Medusa spider" will not suffice for an answer)
    I'd say Nikki did. When Sawer, Charlie and Hurley are going through her and Paulo's stuff Charlie picks up jars of various stuff that belonged to Arzt. Hurley said Nikki was looking after it since he, blew up.

    Oh and Nikki opening her eyes just at the end, creepy. Serves 'em right for killing that poor old man :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,383 ✭✭✭S.M.B.


    basquille wrote:
    Enjoyable and fun episode.. and a fanastic response to the criticism that the producers and creators recieved on casting Nikki and Paulo in this season. Kudos to Damon, Carlton etc.

    Was full of tongue-in-cheek dialogue.. some obvious: Nikki's comment after her death in the movie ("i'm just a guest star.. we all know what happens to guest stars!"), Sawyer's "Who the hell's Nikki?". And some not so obvious: the "he's been called the Wolfgang Puck of Brazil" about Paulo's cooking - thought this may a nod to the numerous tabloids pointing out that Rodrigo Santoro (who played Paolo) was "the Brazilian Tom Cruise" last Summer when he was cast. Paulo and Nikki saying "promise we'll never end up like them" about Boone and Shannon.

    God, that pissed me off! The whole episode was one big nod to all those who dislike Nikki/Paulo.

    "Hey guys, you know they way you all think Nikki and Paulo are ****e characters, well we do too! Isn't it great the way Sawyer keeps on asking who they are. We are so cool and funny. And remember the way you went and called Paulo Take A **** Guy! Well we went and added a plot line which makes that scene really relevant! How clever are we?"

    I really hope they aren't dead even though I'm not a big fan of either character. Throughout the episode I was pretty disgusted at how the writers/producers decided to alter their vision just to suit the viewers. Have a bit of pride in your work instead of writing to please the fans! So who do we want gone next! Network TV is turning into interactive story telling. They should just go ahead and take phone calls at the end of each episode!

    "What happens next, you decide?"

    </rant>


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,791 ✭✭✭✭Mr E


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    Jesus, get a life, SMB :D

    It was a fun episode - Really enjoyed it....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    upmeath wrote:
    Maybe I'm over-examining here, but I have two (albeit tongue-in-cheek) questions arising from this episode...
    (i) who fed the female Medusa spider in its jar for the last 40/50 days since Arzt blew up? ("That's not the one Arzt caught, Nikki went out with a glass jar and caught her own female Medusa spider" will not suffice for an answer)
    (ii) where did the Losties ever get that shovel they use to dig graves and bury people with? It didn't come out of the Swan anyway because they had it long before then for the several people who died in the first season. Did some pleb decide to bring a shovel from Sydney to LA incase they didn't have shovels in America? Or did Ethan bring it with him from the Barracks as part of his decoy "luggage"?

    LOL, i know what you mean mate. But we can't think like that with LOST because there is 100's of small things like that so far in the show that could be questioned. I supose we just have to accept them.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


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    really enjoyed this ep, good dialogue will always trump plot development imo... that ending was deliciously grim, its kinda like you say to yourself "no they can't be dead... wait? why do I want them to live again?"

    The episode really didn't cover any ground on the main plotline, but then that's what MOST TV shows do. its only recently that shows have started coming out where the main plotline is developed in each episode. Anyone remember a little known show called the x-files? did they feature the cancer man, fox and his sister story in every episode? No, they had their filler and then came back around to the main plot... I never remember hearing anyone complaining about this.

    But anyway, back OT... Basquille, are you sure Sawyer didn't say "Nina and Pablo?" Maybe Saywers been reading Jules Verne or something?

    Also, wouldn't Ben have locked the Hatch on his way out? Can the hatch be opened from the inside?

    Also about the shovel... it looks pretty hand made to me, attaching a piece of metal from teh plane wreckage to a branch wouldn't be too much trouble for them.

    Oh and did you notice, if nikki hadn't stopped to bury the diamonds, they'd both still be alive?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    L31mr0d wrote:
    Oh and did you notice, if nikki hadn't stopped to bury the diamonds, they'd both still be alive?

    How do you mean?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭The Gnome


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    logik wrote:
    How do you mean?

    She'd have reached the beach sooner and would have had more time to explain what was wrong.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    The Gnome wrote:
    She'd have reached the beach sooner and would have had more time to explain what was wrong.

    Ah yeah, i misread his comment. Yeah 8 million dollars in diamonds caused their deaths :).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,200 ✭✭✭muppetkiller


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    abelard wrote:
    Oh I was also slightly disappointed by the lack of Ana-Lucia and (moreso) Libby. Thought they might have thrown her in somewhere.

    And one more thing actually. Did anyone else notice that Vincent knew they weren't dead? He pulled off the sheet covering them and all! Clever Dog.

    I think you hit the nail on the head there... Vincent is going to dig them both up...
    :D


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  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 3,821 Mod ✭✭✭✭LFCFan


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    Really enjoyed this episode and I am firmly in the camp of people who are happy to accept the snails pace at which the main plot is revealed. It is afterall supposed to run for 7 seasons so we can't expect fast plot development. I actually think the bit were Paulo overhears Ben and yer one in the hatch reveals a lot. It removes a lot of the mystification that surrounds the others. They obviously saw the plane crash, sent in Ethan to gather info and with that info, they sent out for information on the different survivors which led them to Jack and the chance of him saving Ben's life. My thinking is that when Dharma came to the Island, they disrupted the Others in a bad way and this has led to the Others being extremely predjudiced against outsiders hence their hostility towards the plane survivors.

    As for this episode. It was funny, interesting and a very well done filler. If all fillers were as good as this one, it wouldn't be so disappointing when there's little Plot development.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    LFCFan wrote:
    As for this episode. It was funny, interesting and a very well done filler. If all fillers were as good as this one, it wouldn't be so disappointing when there's little Plot development.

    Yeah exactly. Wish fillers were all that good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,247 ✭✭✭stevejazzx


    1) - (from fuselage)
    Paulo made an interesting remark (57 days ago) along the lines of "we should have gone to Ethan, he would have helped."

    By Sledgeweb's timeline, Ethan took Claire and Charlie on day 17, and Charlie killed him on day 29.

    On day 23, how could anyone not have known about Ethan? He almost killed Charlie and had stolen the only pregnant girl on the island...how could this be a secret?

    2) How did Paulo get out of the hatch, considering Ben and Juliet almost certainly lock it behind them.

    3)Did vincent know Piki were still alive?

    4)Why did Sawyer give up the diamonds?

    5)Jack s live together die alone dialogue leaves out the part where he mentions a woman dying, intentional or edited.

    6) There is a rattling sound just before nikki gets bitten. The smoke monster made the same rattling sound before killing eko. Is smokey the spider?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


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    The Gnome wrote:
    She'd have reached the beach sooner and would have had more time to explain what was wrong.
    I was thinking that if she had stayed where she was then she would have woken up 8 hours later and probably nobody would have come across them in that time. Running to the beach got her killed.

    stevejazzx:
    1) - Ethan, etc.
    Don't know about that one, didn't notice Paulo mentioning going to Ethan. Perhaps he thought that Ethan would help them for a cut in the diamonds maybe?

    2) How did Paulo get out of the hatch, considering Ben and Juliet almost certainly lock it behind them.
    Don't think the hatch door had a lock on it on the outside. Just two steel doors closed over and covered in dirt so as th hide them.

    3)Did vincent know Piki were still alive?
    Quite possibly, since a dog's senses would be better than the people's. He could also have just wanted the blanket. If he knew they were alive why didn't he lick their faces or something.

    I take it Piki is the new Fenry/Benry among Lost fans then? What about Naulo?

    4)Why did Sawyer give up the diamonds?
    As Sun said, they're useless here.

    5)Jack s live together die alone dialogue leaves out the part where he mentions a woman dying, intentional or edited.
    Perhaps the editor doesn't care much for what Jack says either?

    6) There is a rattling sound just before nikki gets bitten. The smoke monster made the same rattling sound before killing eko. Is smokey the spider?
    If Smokey is some sort of force connected with the island then it stands to reason that it can influence things there (like they way it moved the trees). I'd say Smokey may have used the spider to bite Niki (or influenced it in some way), after the spiders came anyway due to the pheromones from the squished female that bit Paulo.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    what an abysmal episode

    pure tripe from start to finish. filler of the lowest standard


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Helix wrote:
    what an abysmal episode

    pure tripe from start to finish. filler of the lowest standard

    It wasnt that bad mate, but like everything, you have to take the good with the bad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,067 ✭✭✭L31mr0d


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    jor el wrote:
    I was thinking that if she had stayed where she was then she would have woken up 8 hours later and probably nobody would have come across them in that time. Running to the beach got her killed.

    or they would of continued to get stung by the spiders and stayed paralyzed until they died of thirst or something.
    jor el wrote:
    stevejazzx:
    1) - Ethan, etc.
    Don't know about that one, didn't notice Paulo mentioning going to Ethan. Perhaps he thought that Ethan would help them for a cut in the diamonds maybe?

    Paulo mentioned going to Ethan when they where looking for the bag and Paulo thought Ethan would know better about the island than Artz would.
    jor el wrote:
    2) How did Paulo get out of the hatch, considering Ben and Juliet almost certainly lock it behind them.
    Don't think the hatch door had a lock on it on the outside. Just two steel doors closed over and covered in dirt so as th hide them.

    You can clearly see them prying open the latchs in the hatch when they first find it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    logik wrote:
    It wasnt that bad mate, but like everything, you have to take the good with the bad.

    ah it was that bad

    and i know, hopefully next weeks will be a belter


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,719 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    LFCFan wrote:
    It is afterall supposed to run for 7 seasons so we can't expect fast plot development.

    I don't think they were ever serious about it going for 7 seasons. They've said several times that they don't want the show to go on too long, like the X-Files did, and that they'd quit before that happens. About 5 seasons (or a little less) seems to be the current plan. The show's serialized nature means it's going to have a hard time holding on to a mainstream audience for much longer than that.

    Also I think there's a lot of answers coming at the end of this season. Much of the mystery of the Others should be resolved and plenty more details about Dharma. I even think we may find out the true purpose of the "monster". The bigger mystery of the island itself we probably take precedence next season.

    Overall I'm very happy with how the show is progressing. I think a lot of people watched Season 1 on dvd, all at once over a short time, and now they get very frustrated having to wait weeks to get answers, hence all the crys of "filler", "no plot development", etc. I would suggest some people might try letting a few episodes build up before watching them, this is what I did last season and I found it much more satisfying. I've been far too much caught up with this season to wait though.

    Also in season 1 there was the mystery of the main characters which is of course long gone now. However the fans have become so hostile to killing off/introducing new characters that the writers are in a no-win situation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


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    I loved this episode.

    Was a bit annoyed that Locke and his father weren't taking centre stage but I soon came to love the episode - and Nikki and Paulo. I wish they weren't dead now, unless Vincent is on hand!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


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    L31mr0d wrote:
    or they would of continued to get stung by the spiders and stayed paralyzed until they died of thirst or something.
    But there were no spiders around Paulo when Sawyer and Hurley found him. Anyway, I guess the natural reaction to being bitten by a paralyzing spider would be to run away, very fast. Why stop to bury the diamonds though?
    unless Vincent is on hand
    Unless he digs them up in the next 2 minutes they're gonners under all that sand. I think it's bye bye for Nina and Pablo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 886 ✭✭✭randomchild


    Here is an intresting point to consider: If we assume that what we here during the spider scene is smokey, we can assume that smokey atleasts approves of their deaths, it at least does not prevent it and I cant see how it would condone Nikki and paulo's actions.

    However it is clear that vincent does not want nikki and paulo to be killed, he tries and prevents their burial by pulling off the body covers which would atleast delay the burial and at best help the losties figure out they were not dead. Thus we can presume vincent is going against smokey's judgement. I find this intresting as, up to now I considered the two of them to be agents for the island, working for the same entity, but apperently they are in conflict?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,453 ✭✭✭✭Creamy Goodness


    Anima asked how come ben and juliette never noticed the hatch opened.

    when they were climbing down the ladder and the camera is on paulo, you can hear ben saying to juliette:

    ben: "who left this open?"
    juliette: "*someone's name* was down here a couple of days ago".
    ben: "have them cover it up with the plane".

    it's little things like this that i enjoy so much about this show.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭Anima


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    Cool, never noticed that :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,719 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    stevejazzx wrote:
    2) How did Paulo get out of the hatch, considering Ben and Juliet almost certainly lock it behind them.

    Given that there was once two people stationed in the Pearl it must surely be possible to open/unlock the hatch from inside. I think we might also assume there's another entrance into the Pearl, perhaps via underground tunnels or just another door like the Swan had. Perhaps this is how Ben and Juilet got in. Otherwise it would be a lot of trouble for the Others to have to shift that plane out of the way every time they wanted to go down there. It was definitely being used very recently when Locke and Ecko found it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


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    jor el wrote:
    Why stop to bury the diamonds though?

    So she'd be able to get them a couple of hours later when the paralysis wore off, presumably...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,492 ✭✭✭upmeath


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    logik wrote:
    Yeah 8 million dollars in diamonds caused their deaths :).

    Rumour has it Lindelof and Cuse wanted to call this episode "Blood Diamond", but that name was already taken, so they had to settle for "Exposé" instead... :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    upmeath wrote:
    Rumour has it Lindelof and Cuse wanted to call this episode "Blood Diamond", but that name was already taken, so they had to settle for "Exposé" instead... :rolleyes:

    Haha nice one, never heard that :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,120 ✭✭✭✭Star Lord


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    Cremo wrote:
    ...you can hear ben saying to juliette:

    ben: "who left this open?"
    juliette: "*someone's name* was down here a couple of days ago".
    ben: "have them cover it up with the plane".

    it's little things like this that i enjoy so much about this show.

    It's this that makes me think that it's possible that the plane got a helping shove when Boone was inside it...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 80 ✭✭kinda lost


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    Im fairly sure shes says Tom


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