[US/IRL] 3X14 - "Exposé" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

Basq

- WARNING: THIS THREAD WILL CONTAIN SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVE NOT YET SEEN "EXPOSÉ" -

Episode Title: "Exposé"
Airdate: March 28th 2007

Synopsis (from TV.Com):

As the truth about Sun's kidnapping by "the Others" comes to her attention, Hurley becomes suspicious of Sawyer's attempt to reveal the mystery behind two fellow survivors, Nikki and Paulo. Through series of flashbacks we will discover what Nikki and Paulo were doing before the crash and how they survived 65 days on the island.

Next New Episode: 3X15 - "

Left Behind

" - April 4th 2007

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• ABC (US) - March 28st 2007
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Basq

7

Urggghh.. a tweedle-dum and tweedle-dumber flashback.

Might be speaking too soon.. but this doesn't bode well!

EDIT: However, i did read on that 3 past regulars and 1 not-so-regular (but one of my favourite short-lived characters *) cast members show up in flashbacks.





* You'll know how i'm talking about when he pops up.

cousin_borat

All filler. What an absolute load of crap.

DS

^ Another Lostie who will never be happy with another episode without uber plot development. Honestly if you're not expecting filler episodes you're deluding yourself. Either come to terms with the pace of the show or don't bother watching.

Anima

6

That was a good episode I thought. Had nothing to do with anything really, which is how I can see some people would be annoyed. It was kinda like its own little sub story but it was cleverly done and that ending was very dark.

I liked all the cameo's from dead survivors and the flashbacks to the island. Although some of them didn't really work in my opinion. For instance, when Ben and Juliet went down to the Pearl, would they not know someone was down there from the fact that the hatch doors were open and the lights were on? Didn't make much sense.

So is that the end of Paulo and Nikki then? You have to wonder the point of them being in the show at all. I was expecting them to have some tie to the main plot and taking some secret to their grave but in the end there was nothing. Dunno really.

Nick_oliveri

7

I thought it was a good episode. Great story. Good to see all the past occurances and i'll bet there was lots of easter eggs thrown in there somewhere. Although im not bothered with all that crap anymore.

Sad Professor

9

I don't care what anyone says I thought this was a excellent episode. Very funny and cleverly written and I suspect some of the plot developments will pay off in upcoming episodes, e.g. the walkie talkie, what Sawyer and Charlie did to Sun, etc. Also there was clarification as to why the Others took Jack and co. Great stuff overall and lots of subtle winks to the fans.

And all the people shouting "filler" just because there aren't huge revelations about the monster/others/island in every episode are watching the wrong show. Go back to the first season and you'll see Lost has always mixed lighter/fun, character episodes with the bigger mythological ones. I mean it took them about 12 or 13 episodes to get into the hatch, does that mean everything between was filler?? There's more to this show than the mysteries.

The Gnome

5

Not a bad episode at all. Nicely done and a very dark ending kept, waiting for one of them to move but it never came!

Interesting things include:

Ben & Juliet in the hatch. (Anima, Paulo never turned the lights on, so I don't think it looked too suspicious.)

The noise of the Black Smoke as Nikki was being bitten.

Sun knowing about Charlie & Sawyer.

abelard

8

Probably the strangest episode I ca ever remember seeing.

Incredible that Paolo and Nikki knew about both the plane and the Pearl before Locke or anyone else ever found them. Can't believe they didn't mention to anyone that there was something seriously weird going on. Didn't expect them to be criminals either. I wonder if there's a moral lesson to be tied into the bigger story. Especially since Nikki seems to have been punished by the smoke for doing what she did to Paolo. No other reason for the noise before the male spiders arrived.

I actually loved the ending, from the minute Nikki knocked him out, my heart was racing, which happens very rarely when I watch tv shows. I was kind of left aghast when I realised they were being buried alive, and the flash of Nikki's eyes opening just before the dirt fell was brilliant. A dark ending, as someone, said, which really worked, as the show usually isn't like that at all.

I liked the bits with Ben & Juliet, and Arzt's cameo. It was also well done the way it brought back around Paolo using the toilet from the start of the season. This whole plotline must have been well planned I guess, so maybe it will be relevant going forward. The fact that the survivors now have a walkie-talkie will be interesting. Again though, I don't know why Paolo didn't just tell everyone he had found one, he could have made up something if someone asked him where he had found it. He should also have known Michael was working with the Other's, and that it was a trap for Jack and the crew going across the island. Did he really care that little about them? Or is it just loose writing?

Also, the way Ben was talking to Juliet in the Pearl makes it seem like he wanted to, and intended to get caught. How else would he have hoped to get near enough to Jack to "exploit his emotional ties". Which raises the question as to whether Danielle was in on it (although I doubt it, he probably just used Danielle as a handy way of getting caught).

Relationships at the camp will be pretty strained going forward too, Sun won't be too happy with Sawyer/Charlie obviously, but I can imagine the story will come out to the rest at some stage too. Hopefully they can put the walkie-talkie to good use too and listen in on the others or something.

Some Paolo/Nikki zombies rising from the beach would be pretty good in the future too.

Nalz

2

DS wrote:

^ Another Lostie who will never be happy with another episode without uber plot development. Honestly if you're not expecting filler episodes you're deluding yourself. Either come to terms with the pace of the show or don't bother watching.

Well s/he has a point considering the cliffhanger the last episode left us on with Lockes "Dad" in that room tied up

Snake Plisken

7

Ah I thought it was a pretty good episode, a bit like the Twilight Zone set in Lost, ok I moaned about Paolo & Nikkie but at least there own little story was pretty good, and as they had plotted and killed the Director to get the diamonds, the Island got these "Bad" people back in its own way. Nice flashbacks to especially the plane crash from a different angle (could watch your man being sucked into the engine all dat ) I'll give this an 8 better then your average lost filler

Snake

pkumohideeile

8

it would have be creepy to see the classic close up shot on nikki's eye just as the sand was thrown over her face.

As DS said get used to the pace of lost or watch something else. So far as the filler episodes come this was the best filler episode ever if not since the first season. really cool. and i also was pumping from the moment the spider bit them too.
i think if they start filling ALL the gaps and explaining why they didn't tell anyone about the hatch, the plane, the walkie etc it would take too much time up and fill the episode to the brim. too much filler for a filler.

84 days and how many seasons has the backround shots of hawaii gone through?!

stevejazzx

not mentioned yet

but a very and i mean very clever way of the writers backtracking and including stroylines to cover over plot holes. the episdoe was so bizzare with real life and expose the series crossing back and forth, ultimately they steal diamonds from an old rich guy, just like a potential expose plot you'd imagine. the fact that nikki and p were dodgy before the island goes some way into explaining why they didn't tell anyone about the stuff they found....and jack has great leadership skills as atoned to in that apparently worthless scene with his less than enigmatic speech

and ben quite simply wanted jack to perform an operation on him, so no crazy double bluff or test...man, lost is strange

Narcissus

7

Sad Professor wrote:

I don't care what anyone says I thought this was a excellent episode. Very funny and cleverly written and I suspect some of the plot developments will pay off in upcoming episodes, e.g. the walkie talkie, what Sawyer and Charlie did to Sun, etc. Also there was clarification as to why the Others took Jack and co. Great stuff overall and lots of subtle winks to the fans.

And all the people shouting "filler" just because there aren't huge revelations about the monster/others/island in every episode are watching the wrong show. Go back to the first season and you'll see Lost has always mixed lighter/fun, character episodes with the bigger mythological ones. I mean it took them about 12 or 13 episodes to get into the hatch, does that mean everything between was filler?? There's more to this show than the mysteries.

I couldn't agree more.

I loved how they showed the scenes from season one from Nikki and Paolo's perspective. Very cleverly done. I wonder what the significance of Locke saying to Paolo "things don't stay buried on this island". Also interesting Nikki saying to Paolo "promise me we will never end up like them" (about Shannon and Boone) and Nikki saying to Howard "I'm just a guest star and we all know what happens to guest stars" after he tells her "we can bring you back next season." It was very well written with lots of things to look out for and pick up on.

As others have mentioned the ending was quite dark. I kept expecting Nikki to get up! Are they definitely dead though? I think it would be pretty far fetched if they made it out of that.

abelard wrote:

Incredible that Paolo and Nikki knew about both the plane and the Pearl before Locke or anyone else ever found them. Can't believe they didn't mention to anyone that there was something seriously weird going on. Didn't expect them to be criminals either. I wonder if there's a moral lesson to be tied into the bigger story. Especially since Nikki seems to have been punished by the smoke for doing what she did to Paolo. No other reason for the noise before the male spiders arrived.

Maybe it was to throw people off and make them think it was the monster. Arzt (great to see him again, "the pigs are walking" ) said that the medusa spiders pheromone instantly attracts the male spiders. I dont buy into the "monster being able to manifest into things" theory, I think there are always other explanations(at the moment anyway ).

A good episode, I'd give it an 8.

Ste.phen

stevejazzx wrote:

niiki opening her eyes at the end will probably be explained by some kind of rigomorits scenario, this can happen esp from spider bites i believe so the end isn't actually that dark unless.....mooo hahhahaha

This was covered; when nikki gets the spider to bite paolo, she mentions that it's not going to kill him, but will paralyse him for about 8 hours, and it'll look like he's dead to anyone that checks because his heart rate will be so low.

When she gets bitten she knows she only has a while before she gets paralysed so she runs, hides the diamonds, then runs to hurley and says 'paralysed'. They show this scene twice, and the second time it's more obvious she says 'paralysed', the first time its hard to hear, and when hurley says 'paolo lies' it seems to fit.

Romeo and Juliet style-eeeee.

abelard

8

Apapaia wrote:

Maybe it was to throw people off and make them think it was the monster. Arzt (great to see him again, "the pigs are walking" ) said that the medusa spiders pheromone instantly attracts the male spiders. I dont buy into the "monster being able to manifest into things" theory, I think there are always other explanations(at the moment anyway ).

A good episode, I'd give it an 8.

Oh that's not what I was getting at either. I did wonder about the spiders, but then remembered what Arzt had said too. I don't think it was any kind of manifestation either, but it's weird that the smoke was there anyway, just......watching or something.

anotherlostie

7

I thought this was an enjoyable episode, and certainly explained some of the earlier Nikki and Paolo scenes. I was aghast when I saw Paolo listen in on Ben's plot to use Michael, and shouted something unpleasant at him for that! Strange that Juliet didn't know who Jack was despite the big file on him that the Others had!

Not sure why Boone and Shannon were there really, but I loved Shannon's comment to Boone that they might get more done if he didn't keep hitting on random guys. Was this the allusion to the gay character mentioned flippantly in an earlier podcast? And Ethan was wasted too, though I suppose it planted the suspicion in the mind about whether or not these two were working with the Others.

Dr Artz was as annoying as ever. I'd have expected nothing less! What a shame that dynamite had to take him out.

And as for Billy Dee - Doh!!! We all fell for that one, and I guess leaking the Exposé scene without the camera cut at the end made it look like he was a Mr Big of Dharma/ Cobra.

I didn't expect them both to die today, but I guess it continues Lost's fascination with introducing new characters with the sole aim of killing them off. Watch out Juliet!!!

Haven't a Clue

4

Didn't like this episode at all. Gave it a 5.

Whatever about Nikki, the bloke playing Paulo is a truly awful actor. I couldn't warm to either of these characters, and despite this episode being built up that we'd all change our minds on Paulo and Nikki, I found no change in my opinion of them at all.

However, I think we've gotten another clue about the smoke thingy perhaps. You could hear the noise it makes right before Nikki got bitten by the spider, so, maybe the smoke was the spider in some way? The smoke might represent the losties greatest fears or weaknesses, ie. Jack = his auld man, I believe Locke = his auld man, Eko = his brother, Shannon = Walt (Don't ask me how that's her biggest fear).

Anyway, a poor episode overall focusing on the two poorest characters in the show. Apart from Charlie of course...

Tristram

1

I'd love to know the logic behind how some people rate episodes of Lost. The number of 7+s I see every week frighten me and also make me wonder did the people handing out such high marks even watch the first season. Are there ratings above ten that I just dont know about?

This episode was meh *sigh* meh on a scale of meh to wow (I propose this as a more accurate rating system:p). Characters I neither knew nor cared about with a narrative that doesnt advance plot development. Plot development aside I didnt find that the episode offered anything else.

jor el

7

Buried alive, wow. Didn't see that coming anyway.

The Gnome wrote:

The noise of the Black Smoke as Nikki was being bitten.

I thought that for a second too as I was watching but then put it down to just the music. Re-watched it again a few times and you can definitely hear the rattle-snake type sound that the smoke makes (not the clunking machinery sound) just as the clearing becomes quiet and before the other spiders arrive. Makes you wonder if this was the island's payback to both of them.

Overall a pretty good episode. Get to see some interesting bits with Ben and Juliette, Arzt being a dirty old man, Ethan being as creepy as ever and Locke being Locke with that scene on the beach with Paulo.

No plot movement sure, but name one show that does develop the main story in every single episode? I'm starting to like the fillers more than the main story episodes (except for last weeks) as at least they have a start and a finish. Most episodes now are just spinning that same arc off on ever wider angles.

Instant Karma

815 - a flight i would be happy to miss, not because of the fact it was destined to crash, but the sheer volume of passengers who are murderers and criminals goes way beyond any kind of statistical anomoly.

The Gnome

5

jor el wrote:

Makes you wonder if this was the island's payback to both of them.

I was wondering this too, I was half expecting the old chap they killed at the start to appear. Not sure if it was payback though. Arzt did mention the pheromones of the female would attract the males...

doonothing

jeeeeaysus! i loved that ep! my hearts still poundin...
really warmed to nikki and paolo, modern romeo and juliet story was great!
are they definitely gone yeah? id presume the eyes opening would be the wearing off of the poison, might they be coming back no?
really enjoyed that.. wow

also, after some thinking after par avion, im really subscrining to the idea that christian is behind it all, he seemed to be bringing everyone to the island; probably going to adopt claire's baby, convincing sawyer to "do what he needed to do", perhaps making the ultimate sacrifice to get jack there? maybe he was the most pivotal? maybe dessie style visions of the world ending without those exact people on the flight? or something like that... just a thought

abelard

8

Oh I was also slightly disappointed by the lack of Ana-Lucia and (moreso) Libby. Thought they might have thrown her in somewhere.

And one more thing actually. Did anyone else notice that Vincent knew they weren't dead? He pulled off the sheet covering them and all! Clever Dog.

ixoy

Pretty decent episode and they interwove the storylines surprisingly well - I wonder how much was planned and how much retconned?

One thing though - did noone else guess she was just paralysed? I don't know it seemed obvious enough to me, especially when they mentioned Artze's insects.

stevejazzx

Igy wrote:

This was covered; when nikki gets the spider to bite paolo, she mentions that it's not going to kill him, but will paralyse him for about 8 hours, and it'll look like he's dead to anyone that checks because his heart rate will be so low.

When she gets bitten she knows she only has a while before she gets paralysed so she runs, hides the diamonds, then runs to hurley and says 'paralysed'. They show this scene twice, and the second time it's more obvious she says 'paralysed', the first time its hard to hear, and when hurley says 'paolo lies' it seems to fit.

Romeo and Juliet style-eeeee.

yeah i watched this in work today so i was only half watching it between answering calls and what not and so missed that bit.... just rewatched it
with the wife now so the powerlines, paulo lies, is actually paralysed (a ref to lockes backstory also possibly)

thought it was odd sawyer throwing the diamonds in the grave, since when does he let stuff go

nice bit with ben and juliet although it narrows the surgery plotline a lot

the end bit reminded me of carrie the movie, the book juliet was reading in season 3 ep 1

the line from nikki 'we've already poisioned him, lets not poision ourselves' i thought was strange


oh yeah the list of killers goes on !

ZiabR

7

I gave it an 8. I actually enjoyed this ep suprisingly. I was expecting complete bullcrap but it was not bad at all. Loved seeing Nikki's eyes opening as they dumped soil in to the grave. Its a fast was to get rid of two characters that are not needed or wanted tbh.

Other than that not much happened, i think Sun was to cool when Charlie owned up to the kidnap incident. She should have gone mental.

I did know straight away that they were only paralyzed. As soon as you see the teacher with the jar and the spider i knew thats what happened. Odd though when you hear the SMOKE just before loads of the spiders appear and bite Nikki.

Basq

7

Enjoyable and fun episode.. and a fanastic response to the criticism that the producers and creators recieved on casting Nikki and Paulo in this season. Kudos to Damon, Carlton etc.

Was full of tongue-in-cheek dialogue.. some obvious: Nikki's comment after her death in the movie ("i'm just a guest star.. we all know what happens to guest stars!"), Sawyer's "Who the hell's Nikki?". And some not so obvious: the "he's been called the Wolfgang Puck of Brazil" about Paulo's cooking - thought this may a nod to the numerous tabloids pointing out that Rodrigo Santoro (who played Paolo) was "the Brazilian Tom Cruise" last Summer when he was cast. Paulo and Nikki saying "promise we'll never end up like them" about Boone and Shannon.

The splicing of new footage and old footage for pretty damn seamless.. some scenes like Ethan standing alongside Hugo when Jack made his "Live Forever, Die Alone" still boggle me (Ethan definitely wasn't in that scene but it looks too perfect to be an image inserted).

And is it me or is funny Sawyer getting funnier this season? Laugh every time the guy opens his mouth this season. "What? Is there a forensics hatch around here i don't know about?" / "Nina and Paolo"

People asking if they're coming back.. in my opinion, i'd really doubt it. Their backstory and time on the island was good for one episode, they added nothing new to the ongoing storyline. Yes, Nikki opened her eyes. The paralysis was starting to wear off but can't see her crawling outta that shallow grave before suffocating. Also, the final shot of Sawyer and Hurley walking away from two bodies buried alive... one of my deepest fears televised and quite a chilling thought!

'Lost' is on a roll!

PS - casting Lando - genius!

PPS - Artz back... loved it!

upmeath

4

Maybe I'm over-examining here, but I have two (albeit tongue-in-cheek) questions arising from this episode...
(i) who fed the female Medusa spider in its jar for the last 40/50 days since Arzt blew up? ("That's not the one Arzt caught, Nikki went out with a glass jar and caught her own female Medusa spider" will not suffice for an answer)
(ii) where did the Losties ever get that shovel they use to dig graves and bury people with? It didn't come out of the Swan anyway because they had it long before then for the several people who died in the first season. Did some pleb decide to bring a shovel from Sydney to LA incase they didn't have shovels in America? Or did Ethan bring it with him from the Barracks as part of his decoy "luggage"?

Basq

7

upmeath wrote:

(i) who fed the female Medusa spider in its jar for the last 40/50 days since Arzt blew up? ("That's not the one Arzt caught, Nikki went out with a glass jar and caught her own female Medusa spider" will not suffice for an answer)

Possibly Charlie.. seemed to know about them or more than likely, it was infact Nikki since she seemed to ask Artz a fair bit about them.

upmeath wrote:

(ii) where did the Losties ever get that shovel they use to dig graves and bury people with? It didn't come out of the Swan anyway because they had it long before then for the several people who died in the first season. Did some pleb decide to bring a shovel from Sydney to LA incase they didn't have shovels in America? Or did Ethan bring it with him from the Barracks as part of his decoy "luggage"?

Nitpicking a bit methinks... could be any three of the suggestions you pointed out yourself. Or countless others. But does anyone actually care?

steviec

I enjoyed that episode - haven't liked Nikki and Paulo since they appeared so if there really must be an episode about them, filling it up with gratuitous Season 1 references and then having them both die painfully is the way to do it.

upmeath

4

basquille wrote:

But does anyone actually care?

Absolutely not, just little things I've picked up on and I suppose could go down as little inconsistencies in the show. Now for more serious matters...

I gave this episode a 5, blatant filler episodes rarely get more than a 6 with me, but this rated fairly highly among fillers, my lowest rating ever was for "...In Translation", that got a 2 from me, it was muck.

It was good to see the different viewpoints on the beach, it went right back to Pilot I, interesting to see things from the viewpoint of someone other than Jack for a change. Nikki & Paulo's story was fairly cool, but probably not worthy of more than one episode's attention.

Also, great episode for the guys
Kiele Sanchez poledancing in a bikini (and flashing her director afterwards) PLUS we saw her on her back for most of the episode...
Maggie Grace appears once again (even if she's screaming like a spoilt brat amidst the wreckage of a crashed passenger jet)

A welcome change from the (one) eye candy of recent episodes... more Mikhail Bakunin anyone?

jor el

7

upmeath wrote:

(i) who fed the female Medusa spider in its jar for the last 40/50 days since Arzt blew up? ("That's not the one Arzt caught, Nikki went out with a glass jar and caught her own female Medusa spider" will not suffice for an answer)

I'd say Nikki did. When Sawer, Charlie and Hurley are going through her and Paulo's stuff Charlie picks up jars of various stuff that belonged to Arzt. Hurley said Nikki was looking after it since he, blew up.

Oh and Nikki opening her eyes just at the end, creepy. Serves 'em right for killing that poor old man

S.M.B.

basquille wrote:

Enjoyable and fun episode.. and a fanastic response to the criticism that the producers and creators recieved on casting Nikki and Paulo in this season. Kudos to Damon, Carlton etc.

Was full of tongue-in-cheek dialogue.. some obvious: Nikki's comment after her death in the movie ("i'm just a guest star.. we all know what happens to guest stars!"), Sawyer's "Who the hell's Nikki?". And some not so obvious: the "he's been called the Wolfgang Puck of Brazil" about Paulo's cooking - thought this may a nod to the numerous tabloids pointing out that Rodrigo Santoro (who played Paolo) was "the Brazilian Tom Cruise" last Summer when he was cast. Paulo and Nikki saying "promise we'll never end up like them" about Boone and Shannon.

God, that pissed me off! The whole episode was one big nod to all those who dislike Nikki/Paulo.

"Hey guys, you know they way you all think Nikki and Paulo are ****e characters, well we do too! Isn't it great the way Sawyer keeps on asking who they are. We are so cool and funny. And remember the way you went and called Paulo Take A **** Guy! Well we went and added a plot line which makes that scene really relevant! How clever are we?"

I really hope they aren't dead even though I'm not a big fan of either character. Throughout the episode I was pretty disgusted at how the writers/producers decided to alter their vision just to suit the viewers. Have a bit of pride in your work instead of writing to please the fans! So who do we want gone next! Network TV is turning into interactive story telling. They should just go ahead and take phone calls at the end of each episode!

"What happens next, you decide?"

</rant>

Mr E

7

Jesus, get a life, SMB

It was a fun episode - Really enjoyed it....

ZiabR

7

upmeath wrote:

Maybe I'm over-examining here, but I have two (albeit tongue-in-cheek) questions arising from this episode...
(i) who fed the female Medusa spider in its jar for the last 40/50 days since Arzt blew up? ("That's not the one Arzt caught, Nikki went out with a glass jar and caught her own female Medusa spider" will not suffice for an answer)
(ii) where did the Losties ever get that shovel they use to dig graves and bury people with? It didn't come out of the Swan anyway because they had it long before then for the several people who died in the first season. Did some pleb decide to bring a shovel from Sydney to LA incase they didn't have shovels in America? Or did Ethan bring it with him from the Barracks as part of his decoy "luggage"?

LOL, i know what you mean mate. But we can't think like that with LOST because there is 100's of small things like that so far in the show that could be questioned. I supose we just have to accept them.

L31mr0d

6

really enjoyed this ep, good dialogue will always trump plot development imo... that ending was deliciously grim, its kinda like you say to yourself "no they can't be dead... wait? why do I want them to live again?"

The episode really didn't cover any ground on the main plotline, but then that's what MOST TV shows do. its only recently that shows have started coming out where the main plotline is developed in each episode. Anyone remember a little known show called the x-files? did they feature the cancer man, fox and his sister story in every episode? No, they had their filler and then came back around to the main plot... I never remember hearing anyone complaining about this.

But anyway, back OT... Basquille, are you sure Sawyer didn't say "Nina and Pablo?" Maybe Saywers been reading Jules Verne or something?

Also, wouldn't Ben have locked the Hatch on his way out? Can the hatch be opened from the inside?

Also about the shovel... it looks pretty hand made to me, attaching a piece of metal from teh plane wreckage to a branch wouldn't be too much trouble for them.

Oh and did you notice, if nikki hadn't stopped to bury the diamonds, they'd both still be alive?

ZiabR

7

L31mr0d wrote:

Oh and did you notice, if nikki hadn't stopped to bury the diamonds, they'd both still be alive?

How do you mean?

The Gnome

5

logik wrote:

How do you mean?

She'd have reached the beach sooner and would have had more time to explain what was wrong.

ZiabR

7

The Gnome wrote:

She'd have reached the beach sooner and would have had more time to explain what was wrong.

Ah yeah, i misread his comment. Yeah 8 million dollars in diamonds caused their deaths .

muppetkiller

2

abelard wrote:

Oh I was also slightly disappointed by the lack of Ana-Lucia and (moreso) Libby. Thought they might have thrown her in somewhere.

And one more thing actually. Did anyone else notice that Vincent knew they weren't dead? He pulled off the sheet covering them and all! Clever Dog.

I think you hit the nail on the head there... Vincent is going to dig them both up...

LFCFan

8

Really enjoyed this episode and I am firmly in the camp of people who are happy to accept the snails pace at which the main plot is revealed. It is afterall supposed to run for 7 seasons so we can't expect fast plot development. I actually think the bit were Paulo overhears Ben and yer one in the hatch reveals a lot. It removes a lot of the mystification that surrounds the others. They obviously saw the plane crash, sent in Ethan to gather info and with that info, they sent out for information on the different survivors which led them to Jack and the chance of him saving Ben's life. My thinking is that when Dharma came to the Island, they disrupted the Others in a bad way and this has led to the Others being extremely predjudiced against outsiders hence their hostility towards the plane survivors.

As for this episode. It was funny, interesting and a very well done filler. If all fillers were as good as this one, it wouldn't be so disappointing when there's little Plot development.

ZiabR

7

LFCFan wrote:

As for this episode. It was funny, interesting and a very well done filler. If all fillers were as good as this one, it wouldn't be so disappointing when there's little Plot development.

Yeah exactly. Wish fillers were all that good.

stevejazzx

1) - (from fuselage)
Paulo made an interesting remark (57 days ago) along the lines of "we should have gone to Ethan, he would have helped."

By Sledgeweb's timeline, Ethan took Claire and Charlie on day 17, and Charlie killed him on day 29.

On day 23, how could anyone not have known about Ethan? He almost killed Charlie and had stolen the only pregnant girl on the island...how could this be a secret?

2) How did Paulo get out of the hatch, considering Ben and Juliet almost certainly lock it behind them.

3)Did vincent know Piki were still alive?

4)Why did Sawyer give up the diamonds?

5)Jack s live together die alone dialogue leaves out the part where he mentions a woman dying, intentional or edited.

6) There is a rattling sound just before nikki gets bitten. The smoke monster made the same rattling sound before killing eko. Is smokey the spider?

jor el

7

The Gnome wrote:

She'd have reached the beach sooner and would have had more time to explain what was wrong.

I was thinking that if she had stayed where she was then she would have woken up 8 hours later and probably nobody would have come across them in that time. Running to the beach got her killed.

stevejazzx:
1) - Ethan, etc.
Don't know about that one, didn't notice Paulo mentioning going to Ethan. Perhaps he thought that Ethan would help them for a cut in the diamonds maybe?

2) How did Paulo get out of the hatch, considering Ben and Juliet almost certainly lock it behind them.
Don't think the hatch door had a lock on it on the outside. Just two steel doors closed over and covered in dirt so as th hide them.

3)Did vincent know Piki were still alive?
Quite possibly, since a dog's senses would be better than the people's. He could also have just wanted the blanket. If he knew they were alive why didn't he lick their faces or something.

I take it Piki is the new Fenry/Benry among Lost fans then? What about Naulo?

4)Why did Sawyer give up the diamonds?
As Sun said, they're useless here.

5)Jack s live together die alone dialogue leaves out the part where he mentions a woman dying, intentional or edited.
Perhaps the editor doesn't care much for what Jack says either?

6) There is a rattling sound just before nikki gets bitten. The smoke monster made the same rattling sound before killing eko. Is smokey the spider?
If Smokey is some sort of force connected with the island then it stands to reason that it can influence things there (like they way it moved the trees). I'd say Smokey may have used the spider to bite Niki (or influenced it in some way), after the spiders came anyway due to the pheromones from the squished female that bit Paulo.

Helix

what an abysmal episode

pure tripe from start to finish. filler of the lowest standard

ZiabR

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Helix wrote:

what an abysmal episode

pure tripe from start to finish. filler of the lowest standard

It wasnt that bad mate, but like everything, you have to take the good with the bad.

L31mr0d

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jor el wrote:

I was thinking that if she had stayed where she was then she would have woken up 8 hours later and probably nobody would have come across them in that time. Running to the beach got her killed.

or they would of continued to get stung by the spiders and stayed paralyzed until they died of thirst or something.

jor el wrote:

stevejazzx:
1) - Ethan, etc.
Don't know about that one, didn't notice Paulo mentioning going to Ethan. Perhaps he thought that Ethan would help them for a cut in the diamonds maybe?

Paulo mentioned going to Ethan when they where looking for the bag and Paulo thought Ethan would know better about the island than Artz would.

jor el wrote:

2) How did Paulo get out of the hatch, considering Ben and Juliet almost certainly lock it behind them.
Don't think the hatch door had a lock on it on the outside. Just two steel doors closed over and covered in dirt so as th hide them.

You can clearly see them prying open the latchs in the hatch when they first find it.

Helix

logik wrote:

It wasnt that bad mate, but like everything, you have to take the good with the bad.

ah it was that bad

and i know, hopefully next weeks will be a belter

Sad Professor

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LFCFan wrote:

It is afterall supposed to run for 7 seasons so we can't expect fast plot development.

I don't think they were ever serious about it going for 7 seasons. They've said several times that they don't want the show to go on too long, like the X-Files did, and that they'd quit before that happens. About 5 seasons (or a little less) seems to be the current plan. The show's serialized nature means it's going to have a hard time holding on to a mainstream audience for much longer than that.

Also I think there's a lot of answers coming at the end of this season. Much of the mystery of the Others should be resolved and plenty more details about Dharma. I even think we may find out the true purpose of the "monster". The bigger mystery of the island itself we probably take precedence next season.

Overall I'm very happy with how the show is progressing. I think a lot of people watched Season 1 on dvd, all at once over a short time, and now they get very frustrated having to wait weeks to get answers, hence all the crys of "filler", "no plot development", etc. I would suggest some people might try letting a few episodes build up before watching them, this is what I did last season and I found it much more satisfying. I've been far too much caught up with this season to wait though.

Also in season 1 there was the mystery of the main characters which is of course long gone now. However the fans have become so hostile to killing off/introducing new characters that the writers are in a no-win situation.

AdMMM

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I loved this episode.

Was a bit annoyed that Locke and his father weren't taking centre stage but I soon came to love the episode - and Nikki and Paulo. I wish they weren't dead now, unless Vincent is on hand!