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[US/IRL] 3X14 - "Exposé" [** SPOILERS WITHIN **]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 469 ✭✭Old_-_School


    I thought it was a very poor episode, not because it was filler but because it was just copying other ideas e.g. Romeo and Juliet, Alfred Hitchcock and worst of all it was copying the episode where the tailies were first shown with the 74 days ago, 8 days ago, etc.

    Also, I thought it was a ridiculous idea to introduce characters in season 3 who apparently have been there every step of the way and who've seen and heard some important events but for some reason have been invisible for the past 2 seasons even though it's only a small group of people who all live in close proximity and gather together for any important events.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,026 ✭✭✭Killaqueen!!!


    I watched it again on RTE2 there last night, and maybe I was a little harsh on it! I still thought it was a porr episode though. The episode with the van a couple of weeks back shows that fillers can be really good, yet this one was all over the place, and as somebody else mentioned the story was sort of copied.

    Aaaanyway, I'm sure you have all got this by now and I just haven't read this thread properly BUT:

    The reason Nikki was killed wasn't because she was being punished by the black smoke for paralising Paulo. Dr Artz said about the spider that when it bites it releases phermone and "one whiff of it and all the males come. Not unlike you, I guess..." So when the spider bit Paulo on the neck it released phermone which attracted all the male spiders, of which one of them bit Nikki.

    On the subject of them being buried alive - Nikki said you stay paralised for 8 hours, yet Nikki opened her eyes when they were burying her....I wonder how the time thing will work out...Vincent will probably come to the rescue! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭lowdenclear


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    Nikki and Paulo discover the Pearl on day 28, during 1x13. Paulo goes back to hide the diamonds in 2x09 "What Kate Did". The plane fell in 1x19 but not directly on the hatch, it was moved over to cover it by the others later. I don't see any problem with this.

    And just because they didn't plan every tiny little detail back in season 1 doesn't mean they're making everything up as they go. J Michael Straczynski spent years developing Babylon 5 before a single episode was shot but there was still loads of changes he made along the way.

    OK, so obviously Paulo had to have been in the hatch before the plane fell on it, right? Which would make it sometime in season 1... And that's when B & J came in to view Jack in the Swan. But how could that be, when the survivors didn't get into the Swan until the start of season 2? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭lowdenclear


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    For the record, I was ripping when this ep started, thinking its another stupid episode about characters I don't give a sh*t about... But it did get better as it went along, surprisingly. OK, not as good a filler ep as the one with the van (but that's just cos I think Hurley is great!) but it wasn't as bad as I thought it'd be. The one with Jack's tattoos was excruciating, so it couldn't be as bad as that!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,653 ✭✭✭steviec


    OK, so obviously Paulo had to have been in the hatch before the plane fell on it, right? Which would make it sometime in season 1... And that's when B & J came in to view Jack in the Swan. But how could that be, when the survivors didn't get into the Swan until the start of season 2? :confused:

    Ben said 'cover it with the plane' when they were in the hatch, so I guess the plane didn't fall on it, it fell near it, then Ben moved it to cover it up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭gazzer


    OK, so obviously Paulo had to have been in the hatch before the plane fell on it, right? Which would make it sometime in season 1... And that's when B & J came in to view Jack in the Swan. But how could that be, when the survivors didn't get into the Swan until the start of season 2

    I had a think about this and as far as I can tell the first time that Paulo found the hatch was in Season One.. he was with Nikki then and they didnt enter it. The next time we see him in the hatch (when he is hiding the diamonds) is Season 2 time. I dont think the plane fell on the hatch (or did it?? I cant remember).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭lowdenclear


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    steviec wrote:
    Ben said 'cover it with the plane' when they were in the hatch, so I guess the plane didn't fall on it, it fell near it, then Ben moved it to cover it up.

    But was the plane not still stuck up in the tree at this stage? Hence, being before the ep where Boone died? And therefore they shouldn't have been seeing Jack or anyone in the Swan because they hadn't got into it yet?


  • Posts: 26,920 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    BopNiblets wrote:
    It was Locke, and no he doesn't!
    I went back to check, they must have added it in (I doubt they shot it way back whenever the 1st episode was shot and then just cut it out... were Nikki and Paulo even hired then? probably not.)
    Looks like the filmed some of those early scenes again from different angles, that must have been a bítch for continuity!

    Ah, couldn't fully remember if it had been jack or locke. Yeah it must have been a real bother for continuity, especially with the hardcore fan base that Lost has, where they would take apart each little thing.

    Why didn't Paulo tell people he saw Ben and Juliet?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    steviec wrote:
    Ben said 'cover it with the plane' when they were in the hatch, so I guess the plane didn't fall on it, it fell near it, then Ben moved it to cover it up.

    Why would the Others cover the Station when they would/might need access to it in the future. They would have been making work for themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,050 ✭✭✭gazzer


    But was the plane not still stuck up in the tree at this stage? Hence, being before the ep where Boone died? And therefore they shouldn't have been seeing Jack or anyone in the Swan because they hadn't got into it yet?

    No.. the plane was stuck up in the tree when Nikki and Paulo originally came across the hatch. They opened the hatch but they didnt go down it.

    When we see Paulo in the hatch for the first time the plane has fallen to the ground at this stage. When he is hiding from Ben and Juliet you hear Ben mention the plane and that they should cover the hatch with it.. I presume he says this because they entered the hatch from a tunnel and not from climbing down the ladder so they want it hidden


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


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    Why didn't Paulo tell people he saw Ben and Juliet?


    I thought it was a bit stupid not to say anything but then maybe he didn't want to have to find another hiding place?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 804 ✭✭✭TimTim


    Thought it was a pretty poor episode myself.

    The only reason I keep on watching is the vain hope some questions will be answered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,713 ✭✭✭✭Sad Professor


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    Ok the plane thing is kinda confusing but there's no problem with it. Here:

    1x13 - Nikki and Paulo discover the Pearl (Day 28)
    1x19 - the plane falls, but not directly over the hatch
    2x01 - Survivors get into Swan station
    2x09 - Paulo goes back to the Pearl and hides the diamonds, overhears Ben and Juliet. Sometime after Tom moves plane to cover the hatch.
    2x10 - Eko finds the plane and burns it (Locke wasn't present for this so if he later noticed that plane had moved he probably assumed Eko did it).
    2x21 - Eko and Locke go back to the plane and find the Pearl


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,912 Mod ✭✭✭✭Ponster


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    Newaglish wrote:
    I thought it was a bit stupid not to say anything but then maybe he didn't want to have to find another hiding place?

    While in the past we've questioned why Losties haven't shared info with each other I can understand his motives for not telling the others about the hatch and the conversation.
    A murderer who is hiding 8Million worth of stolen diamonds isn't very likely to let everyone else know about his hiding place and having to come up with excuses as to his presence there.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 60 ✭✭lowdenclear


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    Ahhhhh.... ok, thanks!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Ponster wrote:
    While in the past we've questioned why Losties haven't shared info with each other I can understand his motives for not telling the others about the hatch and the conversation.
    A murderer who is hiding 8Million worth of stolen diamonds isn't very likely to let everyone else know about his hiding place and having to come up with excuses as to his presence there.

    Well put :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


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    Wait a minute. Since Paulo was bitten before Nikki by about two minutes, shouldn't he have come out of paralysis before Nikki? Yet it was Nikki who came out of it first...


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 3,818 Mod ✭✭✭✭LFCFan


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    Wait a minute. Since Paulo was bitten before Nikki by about two minutes, shouldn't he have come out of paralysis before Nikki? Yet it was Nikki who came out of it first...
    Maybe he got bitten again by one of the male spiders!


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 4,687 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hyzepher


    I thik it would depend on size, weight, size of dose etc. People do not always react to poison the same way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,122 ✭✭✭✭Nalz


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    pointless episode imo


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 791 ✭✭✭fightin irish


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    Wait a minute. Since Paulo was bitten before Nikki by about two minutes, shouldn't he have come out of paralysis before Nikki? Yet it was Nikki who came out of it first...

    He got bit on the neck where she was bit on the foot, would that be the answer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭Newaglish


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    LFCFan wrote:
    Maybe he got bitten again by one of the male spiders!

    Yeah, I kinda assumed that while Nikki only got bitten once and was thus paralysed, Paulo got absolutely munched on by the spiders and so was either really fecking paralysed or more likely dead? I presume at some stage his heart would stop or something.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    Newaglish wrote:
    Yeah, I kinda assumed that while Nikki only got bitten once and was thus paralysed, Paulo got absolutely munched on by the spiders and so was either really fecking paralysed or more likely dead? I presume at some stage his heart would stop or something.

    Yeah very possibly Paolo got bitten more than once and that would most likely kill him.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 355 ✭✭purplegeko


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    logik wrote:
    Yeah very possibly Paolo got bitten more than once and that would most likely kill him.

    this is the argument i am currently having with my brother i say hes dead he says buried alive.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,190 ✭✭✭Haven't a Clue


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    He got bit on the neck where she was bit on the foot, would that be the answer?
    Yeah, that'd be a decent explanation alright...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,472 ✭✭✭AdMMM


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    steviec wrote:
    Ben said 'cover it with the plane' when they were in the hatch, so I guess the plane didn't fall on it, it fell near it, then Ben moved it to cover it up.
    I'm going to hazard a guess and say that Ben was asking Juliette to tell someone else to move the plane because I don't think the two of them would have been able to do it by themselves (even though Boone managed to do it himself albeit he died). Therefore it would have taken days for them to relay this information and when they did come to cover the hatch up, the plane would have already fallen on it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,264 ✭✭✭JBoyle4eva


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    It wasn't a bad ep, but there's been better. I thought it was an interesting flashback, but I felt it was a bit of a downer that they were killed off so soon.

    However, the ep ended with some surprise, with Nikki opening her eyes as being buried. Just a theory I have follows:
    Maybe everyone else that was buried on the island dosen't die, and thats why the others sent the woman Sun shot on a raft on sea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,574 ✭✭✭ZiabR


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    JBoyle4eva wrote:
    It wasn't a bad ep, but there's been better. I thought it was an interesting flashback, but I felt it was a bit of a downer that they were killed off so soon.

    However, the ep ended with some surprise, with Nikki opening her eyes as being buried. Just a theory I have follows:
    Maybe everyone else that was buried on the island dosen't die, and thats why the others sent the woman Sun shot on a raft on sea.

    If it s a theory you have then its hardly a spoiler. So your saying that the only way to get off the Island is in fact to die?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 16,287 Mod ✭✭✭✭quickbeam


    Not a bad episode, but I have a few nitpicks:

    I too thought that Nikki hastened her own death by running on to the beach where she could be found and have people think she was dead. It would have been more clever for her to hide herself somewhere until she woke up. But then again, I guess you don't always think clearly when you're panicked.

    Somebody else already mentioned why Nikki opened her eyes first - I'd wondered that too. Being a smaller body than Paulo, and having been bitten second, I would have thought it would take longer to wear off. But I like the theory already given about Paolo being bitten on the neck which caused him to stay comatosed for longer.

    Also, if a well-known television producer dies, surely his pretty younger girlfriend and handsome chef wouldn't be allowed to leave until his autopsy was carried out. Paulo and Nikki were already at the airport when they heard that the autopsy had given them the all clear.

    Why did Paulo so crave the nicorette? By this time he was on the island for a good few weeks, and the worst of his cravings would have been over! Okay, maybe I'm going a bit far with the nitpicking on this one :)


    Also a few observations and questions:

    Seems Sawyer has resigned himself to never getting off the island - if he thought there was any way to get off he wouldn't have given up the diamonds.

    Nice to see the events of the first two series from another perspective. But what was the bit about Boone rushing around desperately trying to get a pen off somebody. What was that all about? Did it come up previously and I've just forgotten?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,403 ✭✭✭The Gnome


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    quickbeam wrote:
    But what was the bit about Boone rushing around desperately trying to get a pen off somebody. What was that all about? Did it come up previously and I've just forgotten?

    I think Jack needed it while he was in the process of saving someone. My memory is quite vague but it's something along those lines.


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