Is anyone else fed up of Dublin?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 08-04-2006 04:56PM

I think we are getting greedier. As someone pointed out earlier, comfort goods that we used to see as extras have now become nessecities. Of cvourse, we have the economic climate that allows that, but our attitude towards it can be that of a five-year old in a sweet shop.

Agree with you about being lazy though. We've been dumbing (dumbed...?) down ever since Independance.

MorningStar · 08-04-2006 05:48PM

DublinWriter wrote:

No, you were boring me to death with your pedantry and evasion.

Actually you avoided and changed your answeres when it suited you. List what you think I avoided

gilroyb · 08-04-2006 06:10PM

DublinWriter wrote:

A one bed is hardly enough unless your advocating a return to the one-bedroom tennament conditions in Dublin at the turn of the century.

You're saying how bad Dublin is now, and yet at the same time are pointing to 1999/2000 as the example of bad accommodation. If you ask me it really wasn't that bad back then.

MorningStar · 08-04-2006 07:32PM

gilroyb wrote:

You're saying how bad Dublin is now, and yet at the same time are pointing to 1999/2000 as the example of bad accommodation. If you ask me it really wasn't that bad back then.

He obviously doesn't know what a tenement means as if you own it is not a tenement you need to be renting. He also changes his argument to mean something different just to argue. AS you correctly noted he is both saying it was bad before and is bad now when arguing it has gotten worse. He either hates Dublin or just loves to argue. I proved his arguemnet was at best completely wrong or just lying.

AngryAnderson · 08-04-2006 07:33PM

Seriously. What a bunch of moaners you all are. If you don't like Dublin, move to somewhere that you'll be happier. Most of the rest of the planet won't afford you anywhere near as many opportunities as you have in this city but hey, we're all lazy, selfish, rude racists so why would anyone want to stay here, right? :rolleyes: Jaysus.

Oh... and we're not lazy. Stop being so stupid. Irish people are working longer office hours each year.

cmoney · 08-04-2006 07:45PM

theres no point in saying your fed up with dublin until you've tried living elsewhere...

im in germany for 3 months and im loving it so far but still think dublin is RAPID!

BlueSpiral · 08-04-2006 08:56PM

I think Dublin is ok, some people are absolutely brillant.

It was lashing in Dublin yesterday, and I was standing at the edge of the pavement to get across the road. I bus came by, but luckily the man next to me, pulled himself and me out of the bus' monster splash. He then let me stand under his umbrella, which was very nice of him!

AngryAnderson · 08-04-2006 09:07PM

People are rude in every country in the world. People in cities tend to be ruder due to overcrowding, stress, etc. It's a global phenomenon. Anyone who tries to tie it down to a specific city, e.g. Dublin, is just downright thick. Get out of Dublin for a while. Go to any other major city in Europe. It's absolutely no different... some people are pleasant, some are assholes. End of story :rolleyes:

08-04-2006 10:21PM

Everyone should move to Galway or Westport or if your really desperate to inishbofin

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-04-2006 02:35PM

AngryAnderson wrote:

Oh... and we're not lazy. Stop being so stupid. Irish people are working longer office hours each year.

Yes. I know these people. They take the dog for a walk in the car, haven't seen their family in years and, unless there's money in it for them, won't give you the time of day.

Office people are amongst the laziest and most selfish on the planet... the moment you get them OUT of the office

AngryAnderson · 09-04-2006 04:09PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Yes. I know these people. They take the dog for a walk in the car, haven't seen their family in years and, unless there's money in it for them, won't give you the time of day.

Office people are amongst the laziest and most selfish on the planet... the moment you get them OUT of the office

What a moronic, sweeping statement. Sounds like someone's got a bit of a chip on their shoulder.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-04-2006 04:28PM

No, just going from experience. All I can do, really.

sturgo · 09-04-2006 05:44PM

i hate to bang out the cheesey 1 liners, but... life is what u make of it.

RoyalMarine · 09-04-2006 06:36PM

why not ask the government to open suicide booth's?
if your not happy with your current state of life nd all that,
here's a simple suggestion...

****ING CHANGE SO.

if you dont want to deal with people you dont like,
here's another simple suggestion...

****ING IGNORE OR AVOID THEM.

sorry to be rude.
just had the same experience cos i live in dublin now.
simple to get on in life... dont do the stuff u dont like...
do the stuff u do like,...

kinda obvious, but simple

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-04-2006 06:57PM

but they're FUN....!

AngryAnderson · 09-04-2006 07:51PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

No, just going from experience. All I can do, really.

So you're saying that the majority of the workforce are selfish a$$holes? Fair enough. :eek:

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 09-04-2006 09:24PM

I said "I know these people". Poeple I know. Never said anything about the workforce in general.

In general, people are putting making money and earling material goods a lot higher on their list of priorities these days and people - family, neighbours, even themselves on a spiritual nature - much further down their list.

Regarding lazy, what I originally meant was that people will read tabloids rather than books. Sit in bars and pubs rather than seek out more alternative and varied forms of entertainment. We used to let the church do our thinking for us, now we let the media do it. THAT's lazy.

Sleepy · 09-04-2006 10:01PM

I have to admit, two or three years ago I'd have been in the 'Dublin is a ****hole' camp. Having lived up here for nearly 3 years now, I've grown to like some elements of the city, loathe others and can't see myself leaving any time soon. I, like thousands of others, moved here to start my career. The lack of infrastructure in this country has essentially made it difficult for many businesses to locate outside of the capital so those of us from other towns and cities have little choice but to move up here if we want to get any kind of career off the ground.

People in Dublin are ruder than they were ten years ago, but so too are people in Galway, Cork, Kerry etc. We're squandering a miracle economy and becoming quite greedy at the same time (perhaps the influence of the eighties 'Greed is good' yuppie attitude and the large portion of our population that grew up during it?). We live in a time where technology has advanced to the point where if things aren't instant we feel short-changed and have started to expect the same from others providing services for us. If they can't deliver, we seem to have no problems in blaming them for it and being rude towards them.

IMHO, the media are hugely to blame for this, with television shows and movies that glamourise vapidness, bitchiness and cock-sure arrogance over being nice to each other. Can you imagine 'It's a Wonderful Life' being a success today?

DublinWriter · 09-04-2006 11:11PM

gilroyb wrote:

You're saying how bad Dublin is now, and yet at the same time are pointing to 1999/2000 as the example of bad accommodation. If you ask me it really wasn't that bad back then.

Turn of the 19th Century I meant.

DublinWriter · 09-04-2006 11:22PM

MorningStar wrote:

List what you think I avoided

You seem to think that the only reason both parents work in familes in Dublin is to provide luxuries like 4x4s and plama TVs.

You failed to answer my question:

Young couple, both on average wage, first time house buyers.

How can the couple afford the house without both working?

And don't give me that line again about there being plenty of one-bed shoeboxes around for 210K. Let's presume the couple want to have a kid or two within the next five years.

AngryAnderson · 09-04-2006 11:45PM

Mmmm, you see that's my whole problem with Dublin these days. Everyone bitches and moans about how everone else is rude/racist/greedy/whatever except themselves. It's pathetic. Get on with your life. If other people's faults bother you, then you'll never be happy no matter where you go. Or maybe it's YOU with the problem?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-04-2006 12:25AM

Hey - we're entitled to moan

! Freedom of speech!

It's not so much faults, it's attitudes. Dublin is a very conservative and work/money-orientated city, that's all. They aren't 'faults', it's just that I'm a very liberal and spiritual person. There isn't as much variety in terms of art and sport, for example, as there are in other European cities.

I think it would be a far nicer city if was more open-minded and we cared more for people than money, but that's just an opinion. I could be wrong.

AngryAnderson · 10-04-2006 12:34AM

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Dublin is a very conservative and work/money-orientated city, that's all.

Try buying a house or having any quality of life in Dublin... it's hard NOT to be money orientated.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock · 10-04-2006 12:38AM

That's my point... I don't NEED a house. I don't to be made to feel like I HAVE to have a house and have to work 60 hours a week for one.

MorningStar · 10-04-2006 09:03AM

DublinWriter wrote:

You seem to think that the only reason both parents work in familes in Dublin is to provide luxuries like 4x4s and plama TVs.

You failed to answer my question:

Young couple, both on average wage, first time house buyers.

How can the couple afford the house without both working?

And don't give me that line again about there being plenty of one-bed shoeboxes around for 210K. Let's presume the couple want to have a kid or two within the next five years.

Read back what I said and repeated to you. I said MANY couples work for luxuries not need not all. You gave an example of hardship and I proved that it was luxury driving them

They don't need a house and can buy an appartment.

They are also entitled to affordable housing schemes or shared purcahse schemes. Many other countries don't have this.

Why should they get a house without both of them working? Why do they need to buy?

You failed to admit your firiends are working by choice in order to pay off their mortgage in 12 years. Do you consider this normal and not a luxury?

Do you know what a tenement is now?

I answered your questions answer mine now or run away again and deny everything said.

Quality of living report put our city quite high on the list (24th) it may have sliped but it is still better than most.

http://www.mercerhr.com/pressrelease/details.jhtml/dynamic/idContent/1173105

DublinWriter · 10-04-2006 12:47PM

MorningStar wrote:

Read back what I said and repeated to you. I said MANY couples work for luxuries not need not all. You gave an example of hardship and I proved that it was luxury driving them

They don't need a house and can buy an appartment.

Personally I wouldn't bring up kids in an apartment.

But let's explore this shall we? Let's be generous and say that the couple have found an apartment in Dublin for 250K.

Now, let's say that they're going for a 90% mortgage.

How much does Daddy need to be earning to qualify for a 225K mortage when he's the only one working?

MorningStar wrote:

Why should they get a house without both of them working? Why do they need to buy?

Because maybe they'd like to have something to pass onto their kids, or cover them in their old age?

MorningStar · 10-04-2006 01:04PM

DublinWriter wrote:

Personally I wouldn't bring up kids in an apartment.

But let's explore this shall we? Let's be generous and say that the couple have found an apartment in Dublin for 250K.

Now, let's say that they're going for a 90% mortgage.

How much does Daddy need to be earning to qualify for a 225K mortage when he's the only one working?

Well personal choice is a privledge to be earned and owning a house is a luxury, you can rent. Do you think people should just be given stuff
What is wong with them using the affordable housing schemes in the 3 districts that cover Dublin? Add the shared ownership scheme? You convenitly ignore that?
Daddy doesn't need to be daddy, mammy can work instead and they don't need to buy. As you are insisting NEED the answer is simple they don't NEED to it is CHOICE.

DublinWriter wrote:

Because maybe they'd like to have something to pass onto their kids, or cover them in their old age?

Why does it have to be a property?You are expecting people in Dublin/Ireland to have an ability far beyond the rest of the entire world. DO you not see that is an unrealistic view. Why can't the child work for his own life and the parents take care of their old age?

By yhte way you mentioned GErmany as being better. THere by law the parents must support their children while in full eductaion. Children also must support their parents in old age. THe government don't do it.

You missed these again

You failed to admit your firiends are working by choice in order to pay off their mortgage in 12 years. Do you consider this normal and not a luxury?

Do you know what a tenement is now?

10-04-2006 01:19PM

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

That's my point... I don't NEED a house. I don't to be made to feel like I HAVE to have a house and have to work 60 hours a week for one.

True enough. And there's nothing wrong with that. I waited until I was 27 before I bought my first house, and mostly then because my parents blackmailed me into it. At that time, I was perfectly happy renting off someone else, and having someone else organise everything that needs fixing.

I've stayed out of MorningStar & DublinWriter, because I don't really agree with either of them. lol.

You can buy houses in Dublin and elsewhere within whatever budget you will have as a couple. I did so as a single male, and I continue to do so. it costs me more, but its doable. However, you would be cash-strapped as a result of it (I don't drive, so I have the money i would have spent on that to help toards my mortgage).

At the end of the day, you look at your life, and decide IF you want a house. Not everyone goes down that road. There's no real need to do so.

AngryAnderson wrote:

Mmmm, you see that's my whole problem with Dublin these days. Everyone bitches and moans about how everone else is rude/racist/greedy/whatever except themselves. It's pathetic. Get on with your life. If other people's faults bother you, then you'll never be happy no matter where you go. Or maybe it's YOU with the problem?

The problem is that you see it as being purely moaning. Its funny, but these days you're not allowed to discuss Dublin or any town, without it being labelled as "moaning".

But then you've just posted that we should ignore the faults we see, and yet you come into a "moaning" thread to post yourself. Perhaps you should follow your own advice and ignore these threads?

Schuhart · 10-04-2006 02:14PM

This sort of confirms what we sort of know anyway. Dublin is fine, it really just needs a decent public transport system. I can never understand how things had to get so bad before there was even an attempt to do something about it.

http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0410/cities.html
Traffic a drag on Dublin in city list

April 10, 2006 10:51
A survey has shown that Dublin has the highest quality of life for cities in the UK and Ireland. The capital came 24th in a survey of 215 cities across the world. This was down from 22nd last year, mainly due to increased traffic congestion.

London was 39th, trailing behind Paris (33rd), but ahead of New York (46th). Zurich was the world's top rated city ahead of second placed Geneva. Vancouver was third.

Baghdad was the city with the worst quality of life, taking the dubious title ahead of Brazzaville in the Congo and Bangui in the Central African Republic.

Cities in Europe, Canada and Australia dominated the top rankings in the survey by Mercer Human Resource Consulting, which aimed to establish the best and worst cities for expatriates.

Each city was judged on factors including personal safety, the environment and access to health, education, transport and other public services. Almost half the top 30 cities were in Western Europe.

MorningStar · 10-04-2006 02:28PM

Schuhart wrote:

This sort of confirms what we sort of know anyway. Dublin is fine, it really just needs a decent public transport system. I can never understand how things had to get so bad before there was even an attempt to do something about it.

I posted that up earlier directly from the source. It does show media reporting is flawed the survey specifically says it is not a quality of life gauge but quality of living and there is a big difference.
I was reading the Sunday Indo yesterday and every heading had a negative slant except for the one about famous people.

The media actually make people feel worse than they the reality.

Is anyone else fed up of Dublin?

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