Is anyone else fed up of Dublin?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Think it's more of a flawed survey than flawed media. How do you measure friendliness of inhabitants, for example? Just an opinion....

What made me smile was three of the cities I'm considering relocating to came in ahead of Dublin. Stockholm and Copenhagen, despite the expensiveness and Berlin despite the unemployment (although I'm told a lot Berliners don't work by choice... social welfare payments being quiet high).

To expandon what Schhart said, I think it's more a general infrastructure problem than just transport. National stadium, health services, driving test backlogs...

AngryAnderson

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

That's my point... I don't NEED a house. I don't to be made to feel like I HAVE to have a house and have to work 60 hours a week for one.

Eh, yeah well I do. Because I don't want to (a) be living at home into my fifties, (b) be homeless, (c) throw my money down the drain each month on rent to pay someone else's mortgage or (d) any of the above. If you want to live in la-la land then be my guest but I hope you decide to come back to the real world before it's too late.

If you think Dubliner's are greedy for wanting to have a home of their own, then you're a... no, that just wouldn't be a nice thing to say.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

AngryAnderson wrote:

Eh, yeah well I do. Because I don't want to (a) be living at home into my fifties, (b) be homeless, (c) throw my money down the drain each month on rent to pay someone else's mortgage or (d) any of the above. If you want to live in la-la land then be my guest but I hope you decide to come back to the real world before it's too late.

If you think Dubliner's are greedy for wanting to have a home of their own, then you're a... no, that just wouldn't be a nice thing to say.

The magic word is WANT as opposed to NEED. It's not a case of la-la land, it's a case of wanting more from life that four walls and a roof. Dubliners are greedy because they put material needs at a greater importance than people.

Schuhart

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

To expandon what Schhart said, I think it's more a general infrastructure problem than just transport. National stadium, health services, driving test backlogs...

I think you are getting things a bit mixed up. Dublin is a perfectly reasonable place by international comparison – and I take MorningStar’s point that all that can really be measured is the material standards available. Its one glaring gap is in transportation, and I think that’s pretty obvious.

There is a general problem – not restricted to Dublin – regarding the organisation of the Health Services. Ditto driving tests – where you’ll notice for the link below that, for example, Tallaght has much the same waiting time as Tipperary and Rathgar has a shorter waiting time than Portlaoise, just to take a few examples.

http://www.drivingtest.ie/drivingtest/HTMLContent/passrates.html

I don’t see the point of lumping in these general national problems into a thread about being fed up with Dublin specifically, unless you are running short of things to say. Maybe you just need to reconsider your views.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Kind of, but the problems exist in Dublin and so are relavant. But the infrastructure is what bugs me most.

Example - I lived in Denmark just outside Copenhagen for a short while during an 18 month nationwide tour. The local sports centre had a fully equipped 50m pool, complete with 3, 5 and 10m diving boards, saunas, steamrooms, an increible kids' slide area, the lot. You could use if for 4euro for as along as you like. Plus full top-notch gymnasiums and sports facilities, all of which were open to local schools. It was the same in every small village. There were vibrant street-theatre groups, almost like a circus that were treated like celebrities, all over. The likes of stuff you only ever see in Temple Bar or on Paddy's Day.

The health service over there, I never experienced, but I'm told the turn-around times in causaualty rooms and in inpatient wards was a quiet quick because the did away with private health care (open to correction on this, as it was second-hand info).

This is what I mean by variety and infrastructure, comfort of life. The sort of environment that enables you explore places beyond the local pub. People who don't just work to live. I would quiet happily live my life on a modest income in an enviroment like that than live it in the rat-race possession-obsessed world that is Dublin.

MorningStar

Ikky Poo2 wrote:

Think it's more of a flawed survey than flawed media. How do you measure friendliness of inhabitants, for example? Just an opinion....

That is why it is about living quality not life quality. THe survey doesn't try to gage the ungaugable. THe survey does what it says it just doesn't do what you want. The media are reporting it incorrectly.

Ikky just leave if you hate the people and the city. My view it is people bitching and moaning making the place so bad. THere was a stupid rant sent into Moncreiff (sp) yesterday and loads of people agreed. The problem was it wasn't true for at least half of what was said. The media feeds this negative feeling and to an extent creates it. Dublinwriter there made up a story of how hard it is in DUblin and the unthinking would just agree rather than relaise it simply isn't true.

MorningStar

MorningStar wrote:

That is why it is about living quality not life quality. THe survey doesn't try to gage the ungaugable. THe survey does what it says it just doesn't do what you want. The media are reporting it incorrectly.

Is this the Poll you're referring to?
http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005

Which is a prediction by a guy from The Economist. It's not tangible collected data ...
[I could be wrong here, but it looked this way to me]

Ikky just leave if you hate the people and the city. My view it is people bitching and moaning making the place so bad. THere was a stupid rant sent into Moncreiff (sp) yesterday and loads of people agreed. The problem was it wasn't true for at least half of what was said. The media feeds this negative feeling and to an extent creates it. Dublinwriter there made up a story of how hard it is in DUblin and the unthinking would just agree rather than relaise it simply isn't true.

Are your hands over your ears, and you're currently shouting "I can't hear you" over and over? Lol.

Its funny the number of posters here that just can't face the idea that people have some issues with Dublin. What is so wrong with complaining about the state of the Capital of our country? Why does it bother you so much?

If you're so happy about Dublin, why are you here telling people to leave? Ahh, now I understand. Dublin is your Precious, and you don't want to share with anyone......

As with any city there are good and bad things with regards to Dublin. For both those living in and outside the city itself. Whether its transportation, services, general attitude etc. there's no reason why it shouldn't be talked about.....

Archeron

Deleted User wrote:

As with any city there are good and bad things with regards to Dublin. For both those living in and outside the city itself. Whether its transportation, services, general attitude etc. there's no reason why it shouldn't be talked about.....

Well said!! Everytime somebody tries to have a logical conversation about this, it gets dragged down to a "if you dont like then fcuk off" kind of level. Thats not to mention it also turning into a "how dare you want to buy a house, my God, you're so selfish and inconsiderate" thread as well.
My original point was that Irish people simply arent as nice and polite as a lot of people seem to think. I still stand by that, although that doesnt mean I hate the place. I just hate the angry young woman who works in the local Spar deli who keeps ruining my day by brandishing a knife at me and growling.

My original point was that Irish people simply arent as nice and polite as a lot of people seem to think. I still stand by that, although that doesnt mean I hate the place.

Just to clear up a little query in my head. Was this thread initially meant to be about changing attitudes in Dublin, rather than a list of all the things that are right/wrong about the place?

I seem to remember a few pages back we were talking about it, but somehow it changed into a "we hate Dublin, and left" versus "we love dublin, and you should leave" fight.

MorningStar

Deleted User wrote:

Is this the Poll you're referring to?
http://www.economist.com/theworldin/international/displayStory.cfm?story_id=3372495&d=2005

Which is a prediction by a guy from The Economist. It's not tangible collected data ...
[I could be wrong here, but it looked this way to me]

Maybe you should read posts before you comment. Just look back one page and you will see I was refering to this

http://www.mercerhr.com/pressrelease/details.jhtml/dynamic/idContent/1173105
You wer wrong becasue you didn't bother looking like most people in this country. THey read a healine and then assume the rest.
So the person with their hand over their ears would be you

Deleted User wrote:

Are your hands over your ears, and you're currently shouting "I can't hear you" over and over? Lol.

I think you are missing what I am saying. People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong. Dublinwriter put up a story about how hard life was for his young couple friends. As I proved their hardship was choice.

Deleted User wrote:

Its funny the number of posters here that just can't face the idea that people have some issues with Dublin. What is so wrong with complaining about the state of the Capital of our country? Why does it bother you so much?

I can face it it is the lying and false cliams that are the problem. The expectation of people is a problem. Why it bothers me is becasue you enbd up with idoits moaning about things they don't know, blaming others and never taking responsibility for their actions. People mentioned the point system as a negative thing and blamed the government yet it is a system to improve life,safety and makes people responsible for their actions.

Deleted User wrote:

If you're so happy about Dublin, why are you here telling people to leave? Ahh, now I understand. Dublin is your Precious, and you don't want to share with anyone......

Did I say I was happy with Dublin? What I siad was people make up stories lie and misunderstand things and then moan. Half the things people moan about are actually not a problem just percieved problems. I think people moaning makes Dublin bad.

Deleted User wrote:

As with any city there are good and bad things with regards to Dublin. For both those living in and outside the city itself. Whether its transportation, services, general attitude etc. there's no reason why it shouldn't be talked about.....

True for the place but ignorance of a subject and assumptions heaped upon it make people incorrectly accuse the city for problems that don't exist. The general negative attitude effects us all.

Got a problem with the city do something stop moaning! I don't like people dumping in my area so I report people dumping in my area. I hate people not paying thier taxes so I report those I discover. I make people responsible where I can. I am improving my city I suggest you do the same

Schuhart

Deleted User wrote:

As with any city there are good and bad things with regards to Dublin. For both those living in and outside the city itself. Whether its transportation, services, general attitude etc. there's no reason why it shouldn't be talked about.....

This absolutely true, but a discussion would suggest a dialogue. If some contributors seem to have an unbalanced view of the city, what’s wrong with trying to bring some sense of reality to the discussion Dublin is imperfect, but still a reasonable place to live and as good as most, bar the public transport problem.

The Mercer report above is not printed on tablets of stone, and all I’ve seen of it is what reported in the papers. It is of interest only as an attempt to measure material wellbeing in cities internationally, which seems to attract a level of notice. A quick google shows the local results of the survey being covered in media in New Zealand, Singapore, India, UK, Israel, Switzerland and South Korea. As far as it goes, it confirms what our own noses would tell us anyway. Dublin is a reasonable city by international standards, except for the traffic.

Beyond that, people make their own lives. I could not imagine living in a small Irish town. I would find that whole idea of everyone knowing your business as stunting and intrusive. Others might take the same objective situation as being part of a warm community. Neither Mercer nor anyone else can measure that, because it’s intangible.

MorningStar

MorningStar wrote:

Maybe you should read posts before you comment. Just look back one page and you will see I was refering to this

http://www.mercerhr.com/pressrelease/details.jhtml/dynamic/idContent/1173105
You wer wrong becasue you didn't bother looking like most people in this country. THey read a healine and then assume the rest.

I'd read the link I posted from another BBS i check. thought it was the same study since RTE didn't list a source. .

Actually I've read this thread a few times. I just fixed on the RTE link, rather than the above. Oops I made a mistake. So Sorry.

So the person with their hand over their ears would be you

Nope. Look. When i joined this thread posters were commenting on the general amount of rudeness in the city/country.

That irish people weren't as friendly as they used to be, and so examples about Dublin were used. Which in turn led to a session of what we have right now.

I've already said that I like some things about Dublin, while there's other aspects about Dublin that I don't. However, I'm not going to tell people to leave just because they feel there's something wrong with it.

I think you are missing what I am saying. People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong. Dublinwriter put up a story about how hard life was for his young couple friends. As I proved their hardship was choice.

you disproved Dublinwriter's post (his example at least), and so everyone else is lying? You serious? So any of the things I pointed out about Dublin (not that there were many since in most cases, I referred to Ireland) are lies?

Cheers for that. :rolleyes:

I can face it it is the lying and false cliams that are the problem. The expectation of people is a problem. Why it bothers me is becasue you enbd up with idoits moaning about things they don't know, blaming others and never taking responsibility for their actions.

And you also have people who do know what they're talking about, complaining about things that influence their daily lives.....

Just because you feel yourself to be right, doesn't invalidate their arguments.

And why do you even bother writing to this thread, if we're all telling lies, and you know you're right? Why not leave us to our ranting and foaming at the mouths?

People mentioned the point system as a negative thing and blamed the government yet it is a system to improve life,safety and makes people responsible for their actions.

Some people did. Aye. Not everyone. But hey, I don't actually have much of an opinion on the "points" issue. I don't actually drive, so I'm not going to comment.

Infrastructure though is something that does affect me, and I would comment on it if it was raised.

Did I say I was happy with Dublin? What I siad was people make up stories lie and misunderstand things and then moan. Half the things people moan about are actually not a problem just percieved problems. I think people moaning makes Dublin bad.

Nope you didn't say you loved/liked Dublin. You've just jumped on anyone that criticises Dublin. I wonder where I got the idea you were so favourable about Dublin....

Fine. You think people moaning/complaining makes Dublin bad. I on the other hand, think there's not enough complaining, and Dublin is the way it is because people are too content with ignoring the problems. Go figure. A difference of opinion. *gasp*

Got a problem with the city do something stop moaning! I don't like people dumping in my area so I report people dumping in my area. I hate people not paying thier taxes so I report those I discover. I make people
responsible where I can. I am improving my city I suggest you do the same

Good for you. Do you know for certain that the people complaining on this post haven't done anything in the past to improve things? I doubt it. :rolleyes:

Schuhart

Schuhart wrote:

This absolutely true, but a discussion would suggest a dialogue. If some contributors seem to have an unbalanced view of the city, what’s wrong with trying to bring some sense of reality to the discussion Dublin is imperfect, but still a reasonable place to live and as good as most, bar the public transport problem.

The problem is that some people post their negative impressions of Dublin, and rather than people posting positive impressions, we get posters telling them to leave Dublin if they don't like it.

Dublin is a reasonable place to live. As I said before I quite enjoyed going out clubbing/drinking there, but I wouldn't want to live there.

I think the thread started going crazy when we started comparing the attitude in Dublin compared to other cities in Europe. At that stage it turned into a bit of a bitch-fight.

The problem seems to be that people aren't allowed to post their opinions. Anything they say is a fact to be disproven.

Beyond that, people make their own lives. I could not imagine living in a small Irish town. I would find that whole idea of everyone knowing your business as stunting and intrusive. Others might take the same objective situation as being part of a warm community. Neither Mercer nor anyone else can measure that, because it’s intangible.

Ditto. Totally agree.

Dermington

Cork City, Parnell Place, Taxi rank beside the bus station. Each driver you go to tells you to go to a different taxi...every single time without fail.

Monday a taxi dropped me home. the price was €7.10. He said €7 please. I handed him €10. He says good luck and hands me €2.50 in 50 cent coins...

what the fúck?

DublinWriter

MorningStar wrote:

Dublinwriter there made up a story of how hard it is in DUblin and the unthinking would just agree rather than relaise it simply isn't true.

Well there's a fine example of rudeness in Dublin!

Made up, eh? Says you.

I'd give you my friend's phone number, but you probably wouldn't believe him either until you were let around to his house to inspect his bank statements.

BTW, I'm still waiting on you to prove how a first-time buying couple can afford a place based on just on partner working.

People who moan about other people moaning are themselves moaners!

Dermington

Dermington wrote:

Cork City, Parnell Place, Taxi rank beside the bus station. Each driver you go to tells you to go to a different taxi...every single time without fail.

Monday a taxi dropped me home. the price was €7.10. He said €7 please. I handed him €10. He says good luck and hands me €2.50 in 50 cent coins...

what the fúck?

Lol. I was living in Cork three weeks, and myself & a friend were beaten up by 7 guys outside of the GPO at 3 am on a saturday night. My ribs haven't healed correctly as a result of that night.

Still love living in cork though.

DublinWriter

DublinWriter wrote:

Made up, eh? Says you.

Its not just you. He essentially called anyone that criticised Dublin in any way, a Liar.... Go figure. :rolleyes:

MorningStar wrote:

People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong.

Toolach

I was just offered a job in Dublin. I know nobody up there and am worried about costs of living up there.

Should I just stay in Cork?


Rent is cheaper etc.

DublinWriter

MorningStar wrote:

People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong.

Which means they are right.

retalivity

stay in cork. i spent 4 years in dublin, hated the last 2 and couldnt wait to get out. now couoldn't be happier wokring in the sticks. far cheaper, far better people and far better life

Schuhart

Dublinwriter wrote:

Which means they are right.

Are you sure? If they are lying and wrong, then maybe they've inadvertently said something right, while wanting to lie, so if we add on them being wrong.

Hold on.

So if they're right and then wrong.

Anyway, I think Dublin is fine.

Do you like Tramore?

Toolach

Toolach wrote:

I was just offered a job in Dublin. I know nobody up there and am worried about costs of living up there.

Should I just stay in Cork?


Rent is cheaper etc.

It depends. Overall living in Cork, or outside of Dublin is better. However, working in Dublin offers you so many opportunities. It IS a great place to find work, and get good experience for later jobs. I guess it depends on your field of work, and whether good paying jobs are easy to find.

And Dublin is worth trying at least once. Some people absolutely love the place when they go there. Nightlife is probably the best in Ireland, and you do have a huge population to play with. Even Cork or Galway at times feel like small towns where you know everyone. Dublin on the other hand always has someone new to meet, and usually you'll come home at the end of the night after meeting twenty-thirty new people.

Good place, but too expensive. But its definetly worth trying.

DamoKen

retalivity wrote:

stay in cork. i spent 4 years in dublin, hated the last 2 and couldnt wait to get out. now couoldn't be happier wokring in the sticks. far cheaper, far better people and far better life

very objective.

Toolach, Klaz put it quite well, nothing really to add to his advice other than working in different palces, particular large cities, and by Irish standards Dublin would be that, can be an educative experience. Even if you find you don't like it, you'll have experienced it. Personally having grown up in Dublin I would view London the same way a lot of people from outside Dublin view here, but I loved working in London, the diversity, the cosmopolitan feel etc, and it's true what they say, travel, even if only from Cork to Dublin, will broaden your perspectives and greatly enhance your experience, not just work wise either. Just another aspect to consider.
By the way I wouldn't consider this thread the best place to post that question, it seems to have gone off on it's own peculiar tangent over the last while

MorningStar

DublinWriter wrote:

Well there's a fine example of rudeness in Dublin!

Made up, eh? Says you.

I'd give you my friend's phone number, but you probably wouldn't believe him either until you were let around to his house to inspect his bank statements.

BTW, I'm still waiting on you to prove how a first-time buying couple can afford a place based on just on partner working.

People who moan about other people moaning are themselves moaners!

Made up story of HARDSHIP casued by how horrible it is in Dublin. THey chose to live as you said.

I explained how they can afford it and you ignored it along with the questions you ignored again. Anythime you are asked a question that you don't like you avoid it.

KLAZ

I at no point have said everybody is wrong. I have said people moaning about things they don't know make Dublin a horrible place to live. I did not say all the time or everybody on this thread. YOu assumed that is what I meant.

To be precise to help you understand; I dislike one aspect of Dublin and that is the moaning from people who know nothing of the issue but maon anyway. I feel if you want to moan you should stop and actually do something instead. Otherwise you are part of the problem.

I jumped on issues I know stuff about and people maoned about incorrectly. Lists from certain people were blaming the city for issues I feel are important to understand and I will defend them.

Why don't you spend time making a point instead of attacking me personally fro expressing my opinion. Before you start saying I have done the same I have repeatedly pointed out where an individual changes their facts and refuses to address issues disproving their claims.

MorningStar

MorningStar wrote:

I at no point have said everybody is wrong. I have said people moaning about things they don't know make Dublin a horrible place to live. I did not say all the time or everybody on this thread. YOu assumed that is what I meant.

So you didn't say: "I think you are missing what I am saying. People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong. Dublinwriter put up a story about how hard life was for his young couple friends. As I proved their hardship was choice."

You basically said that anyone that posts something negative about dublin are lying and wrong about what they're lying about. I may have assumed that this signifies your calling us liars, but I do think you could have worded this a hell of alot better to get your true point across.

You see, I posted earlier about my own experience with the housing industry. You came back and said that despite my own experience, I hadn't enough to comment on the industry overall. Then you posted your own experience, and announced that you have a better judgement about the subject than the rest of us. At which stage your war with DublinWriter began.

To be precise to help you understand; I dislike one aspect of Dublin and that is the moaning from people who know nothing of the issue but maon anyway. I feel if you want to moan you should stop and actually do something instead. Otherwise you are part of the problem.

So you don't really dislike one aspect of dublin, rather you just have a problem with people complaining about Dublin. Right. So why are you posting to a thread about people moaning about Dublin?

And I've said aleady you know nothing of the people posting here and as to whether they have/haven't contributed to fixing what they see as problems. But hey, I've made sweeping judgements before. Who am I to judge?

I jumped on issues I know stuff about and people maoned about incorrectly. Lists from certain people were blaming the city for issues I feel are important to understand and I will defend them.

Which is fine. I don't think I've ever told you to shut up. I may have queried why you're posting to a topic you hate, but, nope, I don't think I've asked you not to post.

Why don't you spend time making a point instead of attacking me personally fro expressing my opinion. Before you start saying I have done the same I have repeatedly pointed out where an individual changes their facts and refuses to address issues disproving their claims.

You're funny. :rolleyes: How exactly have I been attacking you? During this thread I've made a number of points, posted my own observations, and responded to other peoples points. but hey, If I've attacked you you're welcome to post them up, and I'll comment on them individually again.

MorningStar

Deleted User wrote:

So you didn't say: "I think you are missing what I am saying. People are lying and wrong about what they claim is wrong. Dublinwriter put up a story about how hard life was for his young couple friends. As I proved their hardship was choice."

Yes I said that and by saying people that does not mean everybody. I clarrified before and now OI am clarifying it again. I do not mean everybody in this thread. Now you know for sure so you can stop accusing me of something I am not saying.

Deleted User wrote:

You see, I posted earlier about my own experience with the housing industry. You came back and said that despite my own experience, I hadn't enough to comment on the industry overall. Then you posted your own experience, and announced that you have a better judgement about the subject than the rest of us. At which stage your war with DublinWriter began.

I commented on non factual aspect you commented on which is where you were saying things that were not true and speculative.

Deleted User wrote:

So you don't really dislike one aspect of dublin, rather you just have a problem with people complaining about Dublin. Right. So why are you posting to a thread about people moaning about Dublin?

Well I see that the people living in Dublin decide what the city is like. I take responsiblity of the city belongs to the people. I have a problem with people not knowing what they are talking about complaining about things. It is a popular acceptable behaviour in Dublin. People accepting healines at face value with out reading the article is a common thing. I corrected your mistake and false claims so your question is void.

Deleted User wrote:

And I've said aleady you know nothing of the people posting here and as to whether they have/haven't contributed to fixing what they see as problems. But hey, I've made sweeping judgements before. Who am I to judge?

People who do things about things they dislike tend to mention them and don't blame others for the problem. People here have blamed the governemnet for things in a way to suggest that nobody can do anything. By people I do not mean all. I hold people responsible for their own actions that is not judgment that is my personal responsibility.

Yes I said that and by saying people that does not mean everybody. I clarrified before and now OI am clarifying it again. I do not mean everybody in this thread. Now you know for sure so you can stop accusing me of something I am not saying.

Fair enough. it was an awkward sentence with multiple meanings.

What is it that I'm accusing you of that you didn't say? You said those words. Just the interpretation is different.

I commented on non factual aspect you commented on which is where you were saying things that were not true and speculative.

thats bull****. You disregarded my own personal experience of an Irish industry and the product/service it provides. It was a generalised topic being covered and you tried to discredit my opinion, simply with saying that one or two houses doesn't make an expert (not that I claimed I was an expert. I was just expressing my own experience).

"12 new houses and 5 older houses. My father worked in the building industry as did I for a few years. I worked outside this country also. I don't expect to know all engine construction when I buy a car yet you seem to think buying two properties makes you the same as an engineer and able to comment on the entire industry? It is this attitude of indignation about expectations that is the the problem not somebody in a shop being polite."
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=51121666&postcount=81

Well I see that the people living in Dublin decide what the city is like. I take responsiblity of the city belongs to the people. I have a problem with people not knowing what they are talking about complaining about things. It is a popular acceptable behaviour in Dublin. People accepting healines at face value with out reading the article is a common thing. I corrected your mistake and false claims so your question is void.

You corrected my mistake in regards to the poll that was posted. Was the link I posted similiar? hmmm.... But I agree I didn't pick out the correct link from this thread.

As for the headlines, when you joined this thread we were talking about changing attitudes and the amount of rudeness in the city. It was you that introduced more practical concerns like economic issues when you started criticising the cities we were comparing Dublin to.

So where are these false claims I've made that you've corrected?

People who do things about things they dislike tend to mention them and don't blame others for the problem. People here have blamed the governemnet for things in a way to suggest that nobody can do anything. By people I do not mean all. I hold people responsible for their own actions that is not judgment that is my personal responsibility.

ok. So you're pissed at "people" refering the problems with this country to the government rather than fixing it themselves? Ok. Fair enough. Thats it? So you don't really have a problem with the people who haven't mentioned the government, and yet still complain?

Perhaps they've spent some time trying to fix these issues but ultimately failed through lack of support. Perhaps. I don't know.

However I'm not going to get bothered with people wither saying Dublin is wonderful or that Dublin is a ****hole. People have opinions, and frankly I quite like hearing them.