Is anyone else fed up of Dublin?

Calina

Calina wrote:

No it wasn't, as it happens.

Was it Dunnes?

gilroyb

This post is about the fact that people aren't being nice to you. It is a collection of stories about things that happened that you feel wronged by.

There seems to be a sense that everyone else is rude, but each poster here is the last bastion of civility left and has never contributed to this moral decay. As with Irish drivers, it's impossible for everyone to think that everyone else is a bad driver yet perfect themselves. If you're fed up of people being rude to you, then make a point of never being rude to anyone else. Rather than telling stories of how you have been wronged, why not complement people who are friendly and helpful?

As with most of Ireland's problems, this isn't something for someone else to fix, it's up to each person to act the way they want others to act, and encourage those they find who do behave this way.

MorningStar

Calina wrote:

MorningStar,

I'm not entirely sure you're qualified to comment, to be honest.

I am 100% sure you are not qualified to comment on me!
I never said I lived anywhere so why are you bringing it up?
I don't need to live in Paris or Rome to know about the issues they have with employment.

Calina wrote:

Paris may well have a reputation for generalised rudeness. But my experience is that their retail staff are, across the board, far, far, far more polite and helpful than the generalised obnoxiousness and ignorance that currently passes for customer service in retail giants in Ireland. I'd also say that in fact, that generalised obnoxiousness and ignorance was not such an issue 5 or six years ago, but it sure as hell is now. If you want to pretend it's not happening, then that's your prerogative.

Strange how the rest of France seem to consider the Parisians rude. I find them rude when I visit. I never said the staff weren't being rude here. I am not saying people aren't being rude here. I was suggesting that we were normal if anything. I suggest the solution is to stop moaning and do what we can. I would like to point out the OP clearly indicated that the cost of living was the big issue to them.

Calina wrote:

I didn't complain about prices. I have my own views on that, but strangely enough that's not my issue here. I complained about retail staff in one of the biggest chain stores in the country describing their work place as a sh1thole and how they f**king hated their jobs in front of people like me who actually pay their salary. This has never happened me in France. I go into standard high street chain stores in Paris and the staff say hello. They say hello where staff in this country can't even be bothered to get off their bloody mobile phones to answer a simple question.

I never said you complained about prices also I said nothing about your comments so why is this directed to me? Are you using two names or something? It sounds like you are answering for Klaz

I have stated that people have the power to change this behaviour they choose not to and I don't see what you are suggesting. You just sound like you are complaining to people who can't change the actual problems you had. I dislike a service I complain I am not smart or loud about it, polite and to the point. If it happens again I complain again, if it happens after a third complaint I will not go their again or I write to head office. Simple solution. If somebody is rude to me on the street I try not to let it bother me.

simu

Hmm... have to say that people are polite to me 99% of the time - in Dublin and elsewhere.

Saskia

Calina wrote:

No it wasn't, as it happens.

Well tell us then!! Top Shop??

MorningStar

ivan087 wrote:

ffs our hospitals have people dying on trollies, its worse then some african hosptials, we are noted for our corupt politcans (italy wins!), some of our people are happy to support terrorists (IRA), there is a gangster war in north dublin, we dont feel safe walking in our cities at night, we're ignorent as hell, we're money driven, ...but at least its not america!!! ive lived in california, in the slums, and its not as bad as this. nobody poor will be the president here either.

THe old population of Paris died in a heat wave in Paris last year as the governemnet did nothing.
Name an African hosptial that is worse than Irish one.
Is Blair accused of sell peerages? THe way in which the UN rating of corruption is done actually means that the tribunials we currently have about the corruption of the past are used as indications. That is how we are noted
Some US citizens are also happy to fund the IRA and have done so for years.
No other country has had gangster wars, I hear LA is real nice, London was nice in the 60s, Italy now, China now, I could go on.
Whether you feel safe or not is not down to the reality it is down to perception and media reports.
"We are as ignorant as hell" Such a great point so clearly made:rolleyes:
"Nobody poor here will be president?"I meant head of state by that and I don't recall hearing about Bertie coming from wealth or Haughy. Actually why don't you tell me who the people were who lead this country and were from money?
Getting back to ignorance, I think you there are definitely displays of ignorance on this thread and it hasn't been me.

japanpaul

Morning Star
I think you are missing a lot of what people are saying. We know people have more money than 10 years ago but money doesn't always equate to good quality of life. Anyway if you're just talking about money, I'm on 50% more in my job in Ireland than I was in my previous job in Japan but I'm paying twice the amount of rent, 8 times the motor insurance, 2-3 times the restaurant bills and in general not getting a lot of satisfaction for the money that I spend. I have friends buying houses from plans for crazy money and others living in houses where the builders obviously never got trained in the use of a spirit level. Trying to make a quick buck while the property market is booming.
Anyway, most people here were talking about quality of service and life, or the lack of it. I lived in many countries around the world since I graduated from university and came back to Ireland last year. I am continually amazed about the bad service I receive in Irish shops and I'm not talking about "thank yous" and "have a nice days", it's the level of disinterest and open contempt that some workers show you in shops.
I decided at Christmas that Ireland is not the place it was, and is not the place for me, so I will be moving as soon as I hit the dreaded 30:o .

Saskia

Saskia wrote:

Well tell us then!! Top Shop??

I still think its Dunnes. It sounds like something a Dunnes employee would say

Calina

MorningStar wrote:

I am 100% sure you are not qualified to comment on me!
I never said I lived anywhere so why are you bringing it up?
I don't need to live in Paris or Rome to know about the issues they have with employment.

Strange how the rest of France seem to consider the Parisians rude. I find them rude when I visit. I never said the staff weren't being rude here. I am not saying people aren't being rude here. I was suggesting that we were normal if anything. I suggest the solution is to stop moaning and do what we can. I would like to point out the OP clearly indicated that the cost of living was the big issue to them.


I never said you complained about prices also I said nothing about your comments so why is this directed to me? Are you using two names or something? It sounds like you are answering for Klaz

I have stated that people have the power to change this behaviour they choose not to and I don't see what you are suggesting. You just sound like you are complaining to people who can't change the actual problems you had. I dislike a service I complain I am not smart or loud about it, polite and to the point. If it happens again I complain again, if it happens after a third complaint I will not go their again or I write to head office. Simple solution. If somebody is rude to me on the street I try not to let it bother me.

You're not very consistent, actually. You've complained about people "thinking" they live in Dublin because you think they live in enclaves. But you know about issues in other European cities because you don't need to have lived there to know about them.

The rest of France may consider Parisians to be rude, and by comparison, they certainly are. We are however, comparing Dublin retail staff to Parisian retail staff and actually, Dublin retail staff are so ignorant, they make Parisian retail staff look positively charming. And I have direct regular experience of this.

You have railed at length about people complaining about rip-off Ireland. I wished merely to point out that I personally didn't complain about prices - although if I really wanted to I could - my main beef on this occasion is so-called customer service. I'm not going to pretend that this country doesn't have problems on that front. You appear to want to. This thread was about that issue and it sounds as though my experiences are not unique to me. Just so as you know, I do vote with my feet. But not enough people do.

As in whether I have the power to change other people's behaviour - well it's a moot point. I actually ignore rude people now because they can get so abusive it is not worth the hassle.

The point is this. We think we're friendly. We think we're polite. We think we're a great people altogether. Unfortunately, that experience isn't so generalised. Look along this thread and you will find many people complaining of Irish people being rude in many walks of life.

StupidLikeAFox

Maybe its just me, but if someones rude to me in a shop it really doesnt get to me. Im in there for a mars bar, end of. In fairness, whether theyre rude or nice, its hardly something you'll be thinkin about for the rest of the day (is it?)

Raiser

Reminds me of an experience related to me not so long ago...and just barely on topic re. Irish customer service/service professionals....

Someone in St. Vincent hospital, last room on ward, right by kitchen area.


Overheard:

"This soop is fookin manky"

*** ambient sounds of soup slopping ***

"Ah shi yah, da smell offa it !?! Its fookin' disgustin - jaysus"


Fast forward 3 minutes later- Cue arrival at bedside of pale green soup populated by unknown bobbing lurker-type-things :eek:

Calina

MorningStar wrote:

Are you using two names or something? It sounds like you are answering for Klaz

And before I forget, no, I don't use two names. All my posts to this site are under this name. As far as I'm aware, it's a bannable offence to have two user accounts.

MorningStar

japanpaul wrote:

Morning Star
I think you are missing a lot of what people are saying. We know people have more money than 10 years ago but money doesn't always equate to good quality of life. Anyway if you're just talking about money,

I think you are missing what I am saying. I never said anything means a good quality of life. I am not talking money.
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japanpaul wrote:

I have friends buying houses from plans for crazy money and others living in houses where the builders obviously never got trained in the use of a spirit level. Trying to make a quick buck while the property market is booming.

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/peo_hom_own

I don't see Japan that close to our homeownsership rate. Actually nobody is that close and the closest is a country with a decreasing population.
Your opinion on construction is the kind of negative view that will effect your quality of life and those you meet. This attitude is the issue. Most people in Ireland beleive they are being screwed so complain about everthing whether right or not.
Doesn't Japan have horrible long commutes with horrible high density housing that people here would hate?

japanpaul wrote:

Anyway, most people here were talking about quality of service and life, or the lack of it. I lived in many countries around the world since I graduated from university and came back to Ireland last year. I am continually amazed about the bad service I receive in Irish shops and I'm not talking about "thank yous" and "have a nice days", it's the level of disinterest and open contempt that some workers show you in shops.

THen complain to the manager about what is wrong. THe lazy attitude of not doing anything allows this to continue.

japanpaul wrote:

I decided at Christmas that Ireland is not the place it was, and is not the place for me, so I will be moving as soon as I hit the dreaded 30:o .

Boo hoo! Nowhere is the place of your youth it's gone forever. Go but you are deluding yourself that the place has changed on its own you changed too.

The truth! We have a young population aging into the 30s zone which has it's own dilemas. THe sudden realisation in the we aren't all going to be industry leaders and don't really have the dream job. Combined with the Irish attitude of moaning, blaming others and dislike for rules and authority you get this. Things are not that bad here in fact compared to many many other place things are great.

I understand completely what people are complaining about what you fail to see is you can do something about it other than just moaning here.

SteveS

Originally Posted by MorningStar
Well it is all about perception you are more likely to be murdered in any US state than you are in any part of Ireland. Same goes for violent robbery etc... The uS is the only modern western country to allow the death penalty (allowed on those who have the mental ability of a 10 year old child). The poverty gap is a lot worse than Ireland. I guess it really comes down to what you think is important.
I would rather rude staff than the fake "have a nice day" treatment you get in the US. I have also seen what some people who work in "service" industries live like in the US. Nothing to emulate in my opinion. No offense to any Americans but it certainly is not the land of the free or very democratic. Nobody poor will be the president there.

Most of what you say is true, but to be fair, the US is a pretty large and diverse country. I wouldn't want to live in most of the major cities (NY, LA, Detroit, Chicago, etc.) because of the crime. As for the poverty gap, it has improved in the last 50 years. I work for a public mental health agency and you'd be surprised at how many people that live under the poverty line have things like cars, wide-screen TV's, computers, and XBox's.

Don't get me wrong, there is still poverty, but if you have an idea, I'd love to hear it. We have had the "war on poverty" since the early 1960's and throwing money at it seems to work as well as the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror."

I worked in the service industry for 4 years or so and lived ok. It depends on what part of the country you live in. I lived in an area where the cost of living was low, so it wasn't that hard.

MorningStar

Calina wrote:

You're not very consistent, actually. You've complained about people "thinking" they live in Dublin because you think they live in enclaves. But you know about issues in other European cities because you don't need to have lived there to know about them.

Well you know somethings hit the news and medai reports. Did you notice the talk about riots on in the street about employment rights? Having experinece of many nationalities coming into this country and studies allows we to look up statistics. Attitude ratings and figure staing unemployment rrates aren't compareable things. I am consistant you just are using a unquantifiable gauge.

Calina wrote:

The rest of France may consider Parisians to be rude, and by comparison, they certainly are. We are however, comparing Dublin retail staff to Parisian retail staff and actually, Dublin retail staff are so ignorant, they make Parisian retail staff look positively charming. And I have direct regular experience of this.

I find them rude on many occasions when there or here. The fact you can dismiss the rest of Frances' opinion on Parisians is great and shows no level of arrogance.

Calina wrote:

You have railed at length about people complaining about rip-off Ireland. I wished merely to point out that I personally didn't complain about prices - although if I really wanted to I could - my main beef on this occasion is so-called customer service. I'm not going to pretend that this country doesn't have problems on that front. You appear to want to. This thread was about that issue and it sounds as though my experiences are not unique to me. Just so as you know, I do vote with my feet. But not enough people do.

I never personally said you did but you addressed it as so. I never prentend it didn't. I am now stating so you get it clear. Customers have gotten ruder, in fact the whole place is ruder. The solution is for people here including yourself not to be rude and complain when staff are rude.

Calina wrote:

As in whether I have the power to change other people's behaviour - well it's a moot point. I actually ignore rude people now because they can get so abusive it is not worth the hassle.

So are you ignoring staff in shops when they are rude? That in itself is rude. You can complain in a store if you are not complaining then take responsibility for your part in not standing up for your own customer rights.

Calina wrote:

The point is this. We think we're friendly. We think we're polite. We think we're a great people altogether. Unfortunately, that experience isn't so generalised. Look along this thread and you will find many people complaining of Irish people being rude in many walks of life.

Isn't that "you think we think we are friendly"? According to comments here that is not what "we" think. AS for inconsistancy you like to jump to pointing out only retail staff are what you are talking about to the Irish population.

People here are moaning and are not suggesting anyway to address it that is the issue. People who moan and don't address the issue end up being rude customers becasue they assume rudness from everybody. It is not hard to get a group of such people to agree and tell of their experiences.

Would you prefer me to say you are all right and all the people in retail are rude for no reason other than they don't need the job.

I don't work in retail but for retailers and have seen some amazing behaviour by customers and staff a like. The customers are by far the worst. What's the longest you have been at a till for in a busy high street store?

Archeron

MorningStar wrote:

Combined with the Irish attitude of moaning, blaming others and dislike for rules and authority you get this. Things are not that bad here in fact compared to many many other place things are great.

I understand completely what people are complaining about what you fail to see is you can do something about it other than just moaning here.

What the heck does dislilke for rules and authority have to do with the price of turnips? This conversation is about the percieved change of attitudes in society, and all of a sudden theres references to home ownership rates and political corruption? Yes, Ireland is a wonderful country, yes we're all rich, yeay there are plasma screens and beemers everywhere. So?? Does that mean we should be grateful and shut our mouths and not point out when somebody is being rude for the sake of being rude? Should we just toddle away when we get annoyed about things because things could be so much worse? Well, i just got poked in the eye, but I shant complain because I could have been stabbed in the face with a pitchfork??
And yes, I can and I do do what I can to change the way things are in the politest possible manner, and sometimes get the correct response, sometimes I dont.I generally find that these bad attitudes come from the top down and then I vote with my feet. I personally dont perceive this thread as moaning, more of an interesting collision of opinions and ideas.

Calina

MorningStar wrote:

I find them rude on many occasions when there or here. The fact you can dismiss the rest of Frances' opinion on Parisians is great and shows no level of arrogance.

Arrogance. Hmmm.

Calina wrote:

The rest of France may consider Parisians to be rude, and by comparison, they certainly are. We are however, comparing Dublin retail staff to Parisian retail staff and actually, Dublin retail staff are so ignorant, they make Parisian retail staff look positively charming.

This means:

Friendliest Provincial France
Less Friendly Paris
Least Friendly Dublin.

In other words, if Paris can make Dublin look bad, then how bad is Dublin?

Incidentally, I have lived in both Paris and Brittany. And Dublin.How about you?

Riots don't equate to lousy customer service, sorry. And in case you missed it, we'd some riots of our own here not so long ago.

It's like this MorningStar - my experience of living in Dublin over the past 7 years is that customer service has deteriorated. It would appear that I'm not alone in perceiving this. The fact that we are richer is little excuse for it. You may try to either a) justify it or b) pretend it isn't happening all you like. I'd add that it has not actually been my impression outside Dublin.

I am never, ever rude to customer service agents or retail staff. But they can be and have been totally ignorant to me. As to those rude people whom I ignore, they'd be the ones who shove me out of their way on Grafton Street or ignore priority on roundabouts. What do you expect me to do, square up to them?

WhiteWashMan

Mutz wrote:

My opinion is that people who've never had much money, find themselves with plenty of it and now believe they are lord muck.

exchange money for *credit* there and i would agree with you.

MorningStar

SteveS wrote:

Most of what you say is true, but to be fair, the US is a pretty large and diverse country. I wouldn't want to live in most of the major cities (NY, LA, Detroit, Chicago, etc.) because of the crime. As for the poverty gap, it has improved in the last 50 years. I work for a public mental health agency and you'd be surprised at how many people that live under the poverty line have things like cars, wide-screen TV's, computers, and XBox's.

Most? What did I say that isn't true? I would not be surpirsed at any luxry item somebody below the poverty line owns. It still larger than Ireland and alwys likely to be larger. I like America but I could not live ther with the high levels of inequality there. Things we have machines do here what you have people hired to do in the US becasue it is cheaper than the machine. (car park tickets, road sweeping etc...)

SteveS wrote:

Don't get me wrong, there is still poverty, but if you have an idea, I'd love to hear it. We have had the "war on poverty" since the early 1960's and throwing money at it seems to work as well as the "war on drugs" and the "war on terror."

Sorry I have seen what the socil wlefare and aid programs are designed like. If they tried some of that here the country would go out on strike. The work for wlefare scheme and inmates doing slave labour as far as I am concerend. You need to increase taxes and social welfare pay. State funded employment agencies with free training. Stop allowing it easier for senators to secure prsison votes by locking more people up. General stuff to stop keeping people poor. I know it is seen as a big race issue but it is one of poverty that Ireland has in a smaller level.

SteveS wrote:

I worked in the service industry for 4 years or so and lived ok. It depends on what part of the country you live in. I lived in an area where the cost of living was low, so it wasn't that hard.

In ireland working for a bank is a good job considered one of the better jobs for many years it is still considered pretty good. It commanded respect that does not apply in the US. A tip job in a service industry can mean a decent lifestyle. What about all the people doing 2 and 4 jobs to survive. Working for health care rights alone is what many people do.
People in Ireland complain about medical care yet have no idea what bad health care is like US style. I know people who walk with trouble in their 20s becuase they couldn't afford to get injuriss seen to.

japanpaul

MorningStar wrote:

I don't see Japan that close to our homeownsership rate. Actually nobody is that close and the closest is a country with a decreasing population.

If you look outside of Tokyo, a city of nearly 30 million if you include all the wards, you would find similar homeowner rate.

MorningStar wrote:

Your opinion on construction is the kind of negative view that will effect your quality of life and those you meet. This attitude is the issue. Most people in Ireland beleive they are being screwed so complain about everthing whether right or not.

It's negative to expect to have a house with square walls? It's negative to expect good quality workmanship and good service when you are paying E400,000+ for a house? And why do you think most people in Ireland think they are being screwed?

MorningStar wrote:

Doesn't Japan have horrible long commutes with horrible high density housing that people here would hate?

I commuted for 3 years there. Sure the trains were crowded but in the whole 3 years I don't think I can ever remember one being late. I could plan my commute to the minute.

MorningStar wrote:

Boo hoo! Nowhere is the place of your youth it's gone forever. Go but you are deluding yourself that the place has changed on its own you changed too.

I know I've changed. After seeing other regions in the world I have come to have expectations of what I want out of life, I don't think they are high expectations, but I don't think they are met in the current Ireland.

MorningStar

Archeron wrote:

What the heck does dislilke for rules and authority have to do with the price of turnips? This conversation is about the percieved change of attitudes in society, etc...

Manners are a set of rules, rules are authority get the idea. Tell somebody they are rude on the street and they blow up.

You people are so mad you aren't listening to what I am saying. I have told you how I suggest you deal with rude staff. I highlighted to help I suggest you read it again.

I have stated a course of action to address the problem. What are you saying Archeron?

The truth is the staff are reacting to how they are treated it is that simple. Everybody reacts to how they are treated. You are so mad that you keep thinking I am saying it is not true that people are ruder. I have said everybody is ruder. What do you want me to say? Tell me because you don't like the idea tha I agree. I don't agree that we are ruder than any other western city. I think we moan about it more than any other city and put ourselves down and won't do our part to correct it.

Opportunist

MorningStar,

I think everybody understands that you have a point, but people do not have to listen or agree with you or your suggestions if they do not wish to. I have to say the tone of your posts sound a bit aggressive and that is never going to bring people over to your point of view in the long run. I worked in the service industry for years and as a result I would never be rude to sales assistants or actually any person I deal with. Even though I have made allowances sometimes staff are still rude. This I put down to them having a bad day mostly. Enough said...

jonny68

I'm a born and bred Dub and proud of it as well but this city has actully taken a turn for the worse the last 5/6 years for sure with sky high prices for just about everything not to mention crime spiralling out of control,where does it all end you have to ask yourself

MorningStar

Calina wrote:

Arrogance. Hmmm.

Quoting ones self to prove you are right?:rolleyes:

Calina wrote:

In other words, if Paris can make Dublin look bad, then how bad is Dublin?

I understood I just don't agree.

Calina wrote:

Incidentally, I have lived in both Paris and Brittany. And Dublin.How about you?

Well nice for you but that means nothing other than you want to tell me becasue you think it gives you a better understaning of customer service around the world. While I work for a international retail software provider that train staff. Now that might mean I know more about customer service in the retail sector world wide than you do. But don't let that stop you telling me how I would not understand customer service ibecasue I haven't lived in the places I trained people in on.

Calina wrote:

Riots don't equate to lousy customer service, sorry. And in case you missed it, we'd some riots of our own here not so long ago.

THe riots I mentioned becasue of employment becasue that is what they were about. Now if you want to play silly beggers about what I am saying go ahead and avoid the subject and matters that are about the OP post which I repeatedly have told you were rimarily about cost of living with rudndness thrown in and not customer service

Calina wrote:

You may try to either a) justify it or b) pretend it isn't happening all you like. I'd add that it has not actually been my impression outside Dublin.

Let me be really clear to your
a) Yes I justify it by stating everybody has got ruder it is not in isolation and I know what I see in the retail trade.
b) Never ever said it isn't happening.

Calina wrote:

I am never, ever rude to customer service agents or retail staff. But they can be and have been totally ignorant to me.

DID YOU COMPLAIN?
If you didn't you are being compliant and allowing the behaviour to continue. If you accept this beahviour you are at least compliant in allowing it to continue. If you continue to fund a company that allows this you are being more than compliant and paying to be treated this way. THis is your choice make a difference and stop moaning

Calina wrote:

As to those rude people whom I ignore, they'd be the ones who shove me out of their way on Grafton Street or ignore priority on roundabouts. What do you expect me to do, square up to them?

Make sure you don't do it and your firends don't do and it would change. Instead what are you proposing doing nothing? Leave the country?
Roundabouts have rules and law that isn't manners. Write a letter to your TD and ask them for more enforcement on our roads. And if you are for a moment suggesting Parisian drivers are more polite than Dublin drivers you are dreaming.

SteveS

Most? What did I say that isn't true? I would not be surpirsed at any luxry item somebody below the poverty line owns. It still larger than Ireland and alwys likely to be larger. I like America but I could not live ther with the high levels of inequality there. Things we have machines do here what you have people hired to do in the US becasue it is cheaper than the machine. (car park tickets, road sweeping etc...)

Crime rates vary, depending on where you are. Most violent crime is isolated in larger metrpolitan areas. I grew up in an area that has only seen one murder since 1963 and most people don't even lock their doors. As for the death penalty, not all states allow it. My state (Michigan) hasn't had the death penalty since the 1850's. We also have machines that clean the roads and dispense car park tickets.

Sorry I have seen what the socil wlefare and aid programs are designed like. If they tried some of that here the country would go out on strike. The work for wlefare scheme and inmates doing slave labour as far as I am concerend. You need to increase taxes and social welfare pay. State funded employment agencies with free training. Stop allowing it easier for senators to secure prsison votes by locking more people up. General stuff to stop keeping people poor. I know it is seen as a big race issue but it is one of poverty that Ireland has in a smaller level.

The work for welfare scheme is actually welfare to work and is supposed to encourage people to work instead of living off the government. It isn't perfect, but the previous system of collecting welfare as long as you want did nothing to improve people, it just created a dependent welfare state. Again, I don't think throwing money at a problem is always a good solution. We have state-funded employment agencies that provide free job training and assistance in finding jobs. I agree that locking people up is a problem, but fear-mongering gets votes.

People in Ireland complain about medical care yet have no idea what bad health care is like US style. I know people who walk with trouble in their 20s becuase they couldn't afford to get injuriss seen to.

I think the health care I have received has been excellent. I went without health insurance for a time and didn't like it. As for a massive government, funded health care system, no thanks. I'll admit that I don't know much about the Irish syatem, but I know people in Canada that have had nothing but disdain for the health care they have received.

Femelade

i'm fed up of people putting dublin threads in AH and assuming that everyone on boards.ie is from dublin.

we are not ALL dubs u know!!!!

and there is a dublin forum for asking about buses and if u are sick of dublin or not and crap like that....

cil_aine

Anyone on here have any knowledge of the Thatcher years in the UK? Everything people are saying on here now is reminisent of what was said in the UK 20-25 years ago. It's the same old story, and I belive that Ireland is undergoing what happened in the UK. After long periods of strikes, poverty, economic depression, we suddenly find ourselves with one of the highest GDP's in Europe. A culture of greed has come over the country, particuarly in the cities, and people want more and more. People are becoming ruthless in their quest for more credit/money and forget their basic manners.
However, this is unfortunatly the case in many places around the world you go, and is not a Dublin or Irish problem, it's just that it's become more notcieable in the past 10-15 years. Personally, I find Dublin to be a fine place, and i always feel safe. However, i don't live there, i don't see all the negative aspects of the city. But of course, i could give you an endless list of all the crap about where I live, and it's pretty similar to the lists on here.
Anyway, just my opinion!

MorningStar

cil_aine wrote:

Anyone on here have any knowledge of the Thatcher years in the UK? Everything people are saying on here now is reminisent of what was said in the UK 20-25 years ago.

A little bit differnt as she was putting people out of work into a high unemployment market. The strikes were becasuse she was bringing in privatisation into such a market too. So differnt to now here it is really is funny. You might as well say the 80s here were the same as now.

cil_aine

True, all these things happened, however, a lot of people who previously weren't that well off suddenly became very wealthy, then greedy, hence the Harry Enfeild character 'Loadsamoney'.

jank

Dublin is a ****e hole as far as im concerned. Everybody I know up there who are working want to leave ang go somewhere else... In fact I know nobody that goes there by choice rather work finds them there. 2 years exp and they are out the gaff well some do get left behind of course.