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Loyalist groups to march in Dublin

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    Lol, did ya miss Giblets post Mr. Nice Guy?

    Edit: I see ya did.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭darkman2


    Hi everyone. Im just wondering why in gods name these ppl (and their associated imbeciles) are coming to Dublin. What have they to gain from marching here? Granted I dont mind victims groups marching but I do have a problem with loyalist thugs flaunting UJs on O'Connell st because its a recipe for disaster. Dont they even realise the vast majority of us have absolutly no time for this sort of thing? Nothing against the orange order but from what I know they are bigoted and hate Southerners with a passion. Hope the gardai dont have to crack some skulls during this parade as we could do without the hassle.:mad: :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 157 ✭✭the_menace


    OK, that's fair. I must agree the level of argument is dropping, unfortunately. I will retire from the thread by asking for the following sentence to be explained to me:



    Gents, it's been a pleasure.

    I've explained myself repeatedly, you just choose not to listen. I wonder why you haven't been banned yet as you've chosen to ignore Giblet's post and recommendations?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    I gave him a leeway because he posted before he saw my post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    gah. i can't go back to that forum. they're all a bunch of ****ing retards.

    you just can't get them to see sense.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,815 ✭✭✭✭Supercell


    The people you named above didn't consult with the people of Dublin when they took part in the Easter Rising, did they?

    WTF ..they gave their lives and as a result we a loyalist "troubles" free nation thats doing pretty well economically..
    I don't think they would object to the proposed march in Dublin as to do so would be hypocritical.

    Thats the dumbest fcuking statement in the history of after hours and thats saying a lot.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,252 ✭✭✭deisedevil


    julep wrote:
    gah. i can't go back to that forum. they're all a bunch of ****ing retards.

    you just can't get them to see sense.

    I hear ya, it's all blind hatred, blinkered views, uncompromising and couldn't care less about what they might potentially cause.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    i started a thread there under the name "i don't care". there is just no talking to them. you can't get a straight answer from them.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 8,632 ✭✭✭darkman2


    julep wrote:
    i started a thread there under the name "i don't care". there is just no talking to them. you can't get a straight answer from them.

    Who? The loyalists? I viewed that 'love ulster' site today and the bigotry is sickening for example 'the republic is a facist state' and 'celtic supporters smell'. I think thats twisted tbh and we shouldnt be entertaining ppl like that here:mad:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,531 ✭✭✭jonny68


    It's never gonna happen and if it does it will end in serious bloodshed,i for one would be out there protesting against these sectarian bigots :mad:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    You spelt grammatical wrong.
    No, he spelt it incorrectly.
    Now if you want to throw stones......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Hey blackjack, didn't I warn against this crap? Why yes I did.

    Who wants to try for the ban folks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,687 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    Giblet wrote:
    Hey blackjack, didn't I warn against this crap? Why yes I did.

    Who wants to try for the ban folks?

    apologies. Could not help myself, warning noted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    darkman2 wrote:
    Who? The loyalists? I viewed that 'love ulster' site today and the bigotry is sickening for example 'the republic is a facist state' and 'celtic supporters smell'. I think thats twisted tbh and we shouldnt be entertaining ppl like that here:mad:
    it's like a car crash. i can't stop looking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 157 ✭✭the_menace


    To draw a line under it, I can't see this march going ahead to be honest. It's apparently been given the all-clear but I would imagine it will be withdrawn when the Gardaí and government cop themselves on and realise the potential trouble it's going to cause.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,641 ✭✭✭✭Elmo


    I don't think it will actually cause that much trouble. I think it a stupid idea from the unionist.

    Lots of people died in the trouble not just Unionist.

    The government should adopt a day of Rememberance for all of the Innosent who died during the troubles. IMO.

    This would disclude people who died while serving with the British Army, SAS, RUC, IRA, INLA, RIRA, UVF, UDA etc.

    But I think it will be a good thing to let Unionist who wouldn't come down this way see the republic.

    Love Ulster, All Nine :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 769 ✭✭✭Freelancer


    If nitpicking was all I was capable of, I'd point out you used the word 'quiet' instead of 'quite' however I will also point out to you that you entered yourself into a discussion without anything worthwhile to contribute.

    The first is classic semantics, claim you're not doing something by doing it. And haven't brought anything to the discussion this is you yet again engaging in the tedious habit of reporting opinion as fact myself and menace had a good discussion, you've by the opinion of several other responses on this thread, revealed yourself as a petty spiteful argumentive......

    Those who resort to personal insults have lost the argument.:)

    I'm sorry wheres that written? In stone? Thats your opinion doesn't make it true.

    Ooh more insults. Yeah you're really qualified to talk about the merits of good debate...

    Look you don't want ot enter the spirit of robust debate, run along, you're more than happy to patronise, imply insults, and be conscending, make sweeping accusations and pronouncements rather than challenge the merits of the point, and when someone catches you out, you resort to semantic nitpicking? Yet heaven for fu*cking fend if you get insulted.

    You've got a terrible double standard.
    Oxford English Dictionary - 'country': "a nation or State; the land it occupies".

    The dictionary isn't the best way to settle an argument your prefered tool though.

    Let me ask you this, should all the people of one landmass be considered of one nation?
    Is the dictionary wrong? Do tell us.

    No but it's an over simplistic definition of a nation. Answer the above question please.
    As I understand it, to protest about concessions to Sinn Féin such as with the recent OTR legislation.

    And.......the implication of such legislation is?
    Uh-oh! Someone's a little uneducated on the subject! Don't worry, the nice guy of Boards is here to help you out, my uneducated friend. Here are the results of the 2004 NI Life and Times Survey:

    Okay but do they see themselves as Irish, or as a seperate culture and nationality to the rest of ireland?
    So it's far from a case of you're either British or Irish the way you think. This survey reveals that over one fifth of the population don't define themselves as 'British' or 'Irish'.

    Wow one fifth.
    Things aren't as simplistic as you think buddy.

    This from a man who's boiling down generations of sectarian conflict over nationality to be solved because the oxford dictionary tells him so.
    Wrong! See above! Dear oh dear...

    I cannot believe my own little eyes, you actually produced a figure
    British 47%
    Irish 27%
    Ulster 3%
    Northern irish 21%
    Other (specify) 3%
    (Don't know) 0

    Lets see do the majority see themselves as British? Yes. Is Britian a foreign country yes.
    Saying 'Jesus wept' is not a personal insult. Are you for real man?

    Again the semantic quibble, implying an insult is acceptable in your eyes, calling a spade a spade isn't.
    What are you talking about?

    Ah we're denial, you've already announced that "i've lost the argument" you arrogantly tell another poster that they are struggling you usual tactic is to sneer obnoxiously at other posters, and make pronouncements about their point of view or argument rather than actually rebut them. You're not adjucating the debate, sneering down your nose at other posters, and annoicung their losing is a shoddy kind of debating.
    But sure identity is a complex thing. You could go to a pub in parts of Glasgow and suggest a chorus of God Save The Queen and be met with a similar response.

    Your arguments are too simplistic. They boil down to Irish or British, green or orange. Sadly for you, things are alot more complex.

    You're the one who who's boiling the confusing role of nation and hertiage down to a dictionary quote. And you're telling me I'm making it simplistic?
    Currency?! LOL!!! So the fact I have the same currency as people in France and Germany means they're my compatriots?! You sir are surely taking the p*ss at this stage? LOL! :D

    Again an infered insult, if I were to say "you're an idiot" according to you I'm losing the debate, but telling me I'm taking the piss is acceptable.
    But they have a different set of laws to Britain! Soon there will be a ban on smoking in the North before Britain. Do you have ANY idea of what you're talking about?

    Again oh look semantic quibbling, I was making a point that for all legal and intentially purposed and in actuality Nth Ireland is a foreign country, you're going at semantic nitpicking. Do you deny that Nth is foreign country?
    That's far from certain. They might consider themselves Northern Irish.
    Well from your own statistics they're twice as likely to consider themselves british than northern irish.
    You don't have a clue what you are talking about Freelancer. You're really struggling and I feel for you. Read alot more on the issues in Northern Ireland and then get back to me. Remember mate, knowledge is power. Good luck.;)

    Oh look an ad homien attack, conscending attitute and patronising tone, not an answer in sight there. You're a twiddling semantic nit picker who just produced statisitics that half the people in NI think themselves as British to prove your point that they're Irish. And I'm clueless?

    Get a grip kid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,027 ✭✭✭✭Giblet


    Stop It God Damn It!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 187 ✭✭morlan


    Jesus lads, give it a break already.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20 smashingpumpkin


    OMG

    just checked out their fotos on website

    Do we really want a United Ireland?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    i figured it out.
    they're coming down here in the hope that the people of dublin will start a riot. then they can say that they are being opressed and that a united Ireland would be a bad idea.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭Flex


    John R wrote:
    What is it with this lot and marching anyway? Is it some kind of obscure fetish? Practically every time I turn on the news there they are stomping off down some road playing some very bad music as if it is some big achievement. All it is as far as I can see is a bunch of people too tight to pay bus fare.

    The only thing I can think of that is more pointless than marching would be standing around in the middle of winter to shout at people marching.

    If they really want to march in our little republic so badly then fine, on one condition. They must start at the border, block off one side of the M1 and leave them to it. If any of them actually make it to Dublin they would probably be desperate for people to throw piss at them.


    If pissing them off is the goal then I suggest lining the march route with "Dublin welcomes the gay pride parade" banners.


    LoveUlster...Use a rubber.



    LOL !!!!!! Thanks John R, that was damn funny!!!!! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 97 ✭✭madness


    yes,good comment John R ,dont think anyone takes them seriously only themselves,although to me its like allowing the nazis walk down some street in Tel Aviv waving swastikas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 48 sweety4uall


    Kersh wrote:
    i think we should stand there and, em, eh... 'applaud'.... lots of us, and then route the march through some nice rough areas. :D
    heehee.i agree.a little tour of the inner city streets and and the friendly orange loving dubliners,lol.isnt there some petition we can sign to stop this march?


  • Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    This thread turned into a disaster-piece real quick


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 48 sweety4uall


    darkman2 wrote:
    Who? The loyalists? I viewed that 'love ulster' site today and the bigotry is sickening for example 'the republic is a facist state' and 'celtic supporters smell'. I think thats twisted tbh and we shouldnt be entertaining ppl like that here:mad:
    i agree totaly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 725 ✭✭✭pat kenny


    Best thing would be to ignore it completly. Theres no point in fretting over it.

    Remember
    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your
    right to say it"

    In other words, it is because you may dispise these people so much that you must allow them to march unhindered.

    Free speech and assembly is mostly about letting the people you dont agree with march or speak freely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭RE*AC*TOR


    Haven't really been following this entire thread - but the best course of action for anyone who is in anyway bothered by this is to don your best St Patricks Day Outfit (or Lansdown Rd outfit), grab a tricolor and march happily alongside them.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 955 ✭✭✭LovelyHurling


    Wow I cant believe I didnt notice this thread before, its quite an interesting one. I come from the North and my folks would be what people would consider "loyalist" simply by virtue of the fact that they are a protestant couple living in a mostly Protestant neighbourhood voting (mainly) UUP. Having lived here for almost 5 years I think Ive overcome all of the silly prejudices I learned growing up (Rangers boys are just as smelly as Celtic supporters tbh).

    I dont want to get too political here, but I can see their point.
    Look if there was an election in the morning on whether to merge with the republic, the north would vote against. Why? There are more Protestants than catholics, more staunch unionists than staunch nationalists. Now thats a fact.
    This isnt my opinion, but Ive heard it expressed a lot especially over the Christmas break at home: The true meaning of the word nationalist, it is sometimes forgotten, applies to Unionists just as much as those who vote SF/SDLP. The majority of the people of the North have the right to be allied to the country they perceive themselves to have originated from. The population difference is marginal of course, but many unionists find it frustrating that Irish passports are issued to Northern citizens and just feel that in general, a lot of leeway is being given to the SF supporters (yes I know not all nationalists are SF) just because the IRA has paused activity... when the UUP has been demonising loyalist crimes all along. Suddenly people feel as if its as if the unionists are the bad boys and the republican crimes have been forgotten.

    After SF/IRA announced they were ceasing activity, Bertie Ahern came on BBC Newsnight saying he was in favour of a united Ireland. How do you think Unionists, so used to thinking of this man as a sensible man, understanding and friendly in his dealings with the unionist community of the north, how do you think they felt?

    Mary McAleese visited the north not so long ago, and she got a very welcoming reception. if she came now, I think she would still be welcomed, but with a greater degree of apprehension. In short, unionists do feel as if there is now being a push made, both on the London side and the Dublin side, to unite the island of Ireland. This cannot happen, as it is only going to fuel sectarian tensions, and bring the whole process back to 1959. Why bother?

    The Orange Order, an organisation whose actions I personally dont like, are coming here to fight back at what they regard as this new movement. Maybe fight back is a poor choice of words, they want to underline the North's indentity and her roots... just like Irishmen and women who march in Sydney and New York each Patricks Day.

    Im not defending them, but if Im in town, I'll be watching the march. I hope most people have liberated themselves from the opinion that Ulster is an innocent entity being held at ransom by a herd of foreign men. I often think of Ulster as a child borne of a topsy turvy romance between London and Dublin. Neither can keep the north to themselves, and while it is a part of Britain, Ulster doesn't belong to Ireland. es a big boy now. Surely this was the whole crux of Good Friday.

    Sorry if this is a rant, i hope I havent offended anyone, i dont mind getting political on boards but I realise this is a sensitive subject. However I do think the Nazis and their swastikas comment just above this is unfair.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,471 ✭✭✭TheBigLebowski


    Neither can keep the north to themselves, and while it is a part of Britain, Ulster doesn't belong to Ireland. es a big boy now. Surely this was the whole crux of Good Friday.

    You would think that you of all people would know that northern Ireland is not a part of Britain but is in fact part of the UK, as in, the United Kingdom of Great Britain AND Northern Ireland.


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