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What is the the root of this behaviour..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    It is clearly obsessive.

    The constant bombardment with messages/ calls etc simply serves to keep the victim booked and constantly within reach. There will have been an expectation to respond to him at all times too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,456 ✭✭✭One Who Waits...


    That is shocking. Decent sentence for a change. Bullet in the back of the head is what he should get. Really makes me wonder what kind of scumbags walk among us.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    There are some people you know are utter creeps just to look at.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 909 ✭✭✭CreadanLady


    That might be the reason given, but the reality of it is that there simply isn't enough prison space to accommodate all the people we might like to imprison, and to keep them there for as along as we would like, and there is no votes to be got by spending money ob building new prisons.

    The MFV Creadan Lady is a mussel dredger from Dunmore East.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,989 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    A quick “red flag” to look out for with people like this is the locking of internal doors around the house.

    This is, usually, a clear sign of someone who likes to, and wants to, be in control. Hang around them long enough and more signs will reveal themselves.

    Try not to let it get that far, if you can. If you see the locked doors inside, about the house, just get out and don’t look back.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,235 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    I struggle to understand how on earth these 3 men have partners who actively support them.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    In all these cases, its the presence of narcissistic sociopathic personality disorder in the offender.

    This isn't a mental illness, as such, which can be genetic, medical, acquired or environmental, but more straightforwardly a personality disorder, which is almost certainly environmental, though research into the depth of this is ongoing.

    A narcissistic sociopath describes a dangerous person who demonstrates traits and symptoms of both narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) and antisocial personality disorder (APD). They derive satisfaction from manipulating, deceiving, using, and abusing others in order to get what they want.

    Your classic examples include Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    all cluster b's alright, was just watching an interview on histrionic, mental stuff really, apd also comes to mind in this case, so thats very likely the disorder at play



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    In some cases, yes, but not in all. Not every person who choses to do hurt others has a pd.

    Likewise there are many people with these diagnoses who do not behave in such a way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    what other types of disorders could be involved, other than cluster b's?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Some people are just plain arseholes, even without a pd. Sadism is not exclusively linked to aspd either. It’s possible the guy has a Cluster b pd, and he will surely be assessed for it.

    But aspd and npd are not always the reasons why people do such things. Disordered or not, each person still has the choice to do something or leave it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    They do have the choice, like any person, but when your inclinations and compulsions are strong due to a PD....'disordered or not' becomes a very unequal ratio.

    There's also no chance he/they'll be assessed for it in prison, why would they waste the resources? Its not like it needs to be established for a trial, they've already been convicted and shown to have criminal responsibility, whether they have a PD or not is irrelevant to their confinement. I mean the Garda is hardly likely to be in general pop. in any case, is he?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    maybe appropriate assessments and treatment in the prison system could prevent future crimes, maybe!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,469 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,728 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    im aware theres no treatment for some cluster b disorders, but appropriate supports may help some within the judicial system, and outside of it, we must continue researching such disorders, in order to try understand them, in the hope of developing future treatments



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,089 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    As a first priority, we must provide an active system of escape, shelter and confidence for people, mainly Women, such as the victims in this week's sentencing hearings.

    Its almost impossible to detect and treat Cluster Bs before they commit an offence, as making a change to themselves is not something that interests them. Limiting their ability to abuse victims by increasing awareness and help for those victims as early as possible, is the best investment.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    There is some treatment but in most cases it’s not very effective, and a large number of affected people will not avail of it. These blanket statements and stereotypes are somewhat counter productive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,698 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    More to come

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,469 ✭✭✭✭Sardonicat


    Any successful treatment depends solely on the willingness to engage with treatment. The basic personality structure cannot be altered. You can't make someone not take pleasure in causing suffering. You can, if the individual is open to it, support them in reflecting on their behaviour and its impact on others. Help them gain insight, so to speak. BUT it's not always such a good idea to give manipulators the tools to become even better at manipulating.

    The execption I'd make here is with Boderline Personality Disorder, now known as Emotional Disregulation Disorder. Very unfairly lumped together with other cluster B disorders, but the root cause of their behaviour is an attempt to control overwhelming and fluctuating emotional states. Very treatable once the sufferer is open to it.

    I don't accept in any way that people who are classified as NPD or APD are in any way ill. I see those labels merely as a way to medically classify clusters of specific behaviours and character traits, nothing more. I also don't accept they lack empathy. They are people who choose to act in ways that are solely beneficial to themselves because they simply do not care about how their actions affect others. They choose not to care. You can't manipulate others if you lack empathy, because in order to understand what motivates others, what will cause pain to others, you have to have empathy. These people are just wicked, evil, whatever word for bad to the bone that you want to use. They choose their behaviours that harm others because they enjoy harming others. They are scum. Nothing more complicated than that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    I actually agree with a lot you are saying, though not all of it. The problem is that most people don’t realise that there are different types of empathy, and cognitive empathy can be learned even though the other types can be severely impacted, or missing entirely in some cases.

    At the end of the day it’s down to each individual what they chose to do, and they do know right from wrong. That’s why you will have crossed paths with people suffering from these pds without ever having realised it. Not all act on their impulses or have violent tendencies.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Not really. He was an ugly bastard with a head like a blighted potato then as well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,698 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    True. Documentary was fairly shocking. How brave is she?!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    He will never get a job in this Country again 😂 piece of dirt.


    I wonder how his family have taken it, I would disown him if he was my son, brother etc evil fcuker.

    Hopefully she leaves the Country with her child, Moody wont be able to do anything about it as he isn't a guardian now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,412 ✭✭✭Jequ0n


    Own fault



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,698 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    There we go. This is more unhinged than the last time

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2026/0519/1574146-paul-moody-court/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 716 ✭✭✭myfreespirit


    Time to introduce the punishment used in Singapore - at least 48 strokes of the rattan cane for that lad.

    That'd soften him up a fair bit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,897 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    This scumbag in court again sentenced for similar treatment of another woman, this was before the previous case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 530 ✭✭✭Goodigal


    That man is just a vile human being. Those women who found strength to give evidence against him in both cases are to be applauded. Disgusting behaviour.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,625 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Frightening that GSoC did nothing about the woman's complaints from 2017 !

    I hope the judge addressed this .



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,609 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    That guy has to be one of the most deranged people in Ireland. He is a danger to society and in reality should never be released from prison, he wont ever change.



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