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Moon landing hoax

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,146 ✭✭✭✭robinph


    The purpose of going to space in the '60s and' 70s was to beat the other side, science was a side effect but totally not the goal. Sending people was just part of the "beating the other side" goal.

    The purpose of space now is science. Easier and cheaper to do a lot of things with robots. Until there is a compelling reason to send people to do the science in person, and it can be done safely, people won't return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,014 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    ultimately what is the point of returning to the moon ?

    There are no known life forms discovered there. There have been multiple missions over decades, manned and unmanned. Parts of the moon were recovered and brought back to earth. Soil column samples were extracted through drilling, yet no signs of any life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,219 ✭✭✭snowcat


    I dont get it. Why are they trying so hard and struggling to even land on it so?



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But this has been explained to you over and over in many different ways.

    Meanwhile you continue to avoid outlining what you believe the conspiracy is.

    Also notice how you are supporting your disbelief because you can't think of a motivation for something.

    This thread shows that there's no motive behind the conspiracy theory. Yet this does not stop you from supporting or entertaining the notion. It's a simple double standard.



  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,976 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    You obviously don't get it, despite it being explained to you numerous times.

    I think this is the point where you need to accept that you are simply refusing to even try to grasp the points behind made, because they're not difficult



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,331 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I'll try

    We've had thousands of successful rocket launches. So why are SpaceX failing to get their new rocket up so many times? Because it's a private company building a new rocket. It's highly complex stuff and they are learning as they go.

    Likewise with new countries and private companies landing probes on planets. They are testing and launching their own tech. Sometimes successful, sometimes partially successful or unsuccessful.

    Remember Russia launching many moon missions in the 60's and 70's, competing with the US, so why did they stop trying to go the moon? Mainly because they lost the will to go after they lost the space race, ergo the funding wasn't really there anymore. If they tried to do it now, I'm sure they could get there, but it would still be massively expensive to re-develop everything for modern systems, rebuild all the infrastructure, rehire, retrain, make it safer, so much so that they probably wouldn't get the funding required.

    Can Russia go to the moon if they really wanted? Probably

    Could they be bothered with the expense of it all? Unlikely

    It's not some conspiracy, it's just logistics, will and funding.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,561 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,716 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    There's definitely a benefit of using the moon as a route for launching journeys into solar system. Low gravity just makes it more optimal and imagine there's an array of other reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,694 ✭✭✭valoren


    The why aren't we able to land today argument is a reminder how the Soviets also failed to achieve a manned landing during the moon race. It's hard. The hard part is actually delivering the spacecraft to the moon and the Soviets only began development of their N1 rocket four years after the Saturn V. With the US stating a public deadline and spending billions to make that deadline then even with the motivation for investment from a geopolitical enemy to compete then their rocket simply wasn't ready within that time frame.

    The question for conspiracy theorists is why would 15 flight capable Saturn V rockets along with 3 for ground testing be designed, built, tested and successfully flown every time if the plan all along was to film it in a studio? If you're going to the bother of doing that then why not attempt landings? i.e. The public (and our enemy), when they see our staged footage, will want to know how we got to that moon set so lets go to the difficulty, complexity and expense of building rockets powerful enough to send what we need for a moon landing and tell everyone we used those. 🤦‍♂️



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 98,292 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Soviet Manned Lunar Projects

    Lots of politics on the Russian side. On January 14, 1966 Korolev died in
    Moscow during colon surgery. "His successor, Mishin, did not have the
    forceful personality and political connections of the original Chief
    Designer.
    "

    The original plan was to build a space station and with the experience gained head on to the moon later. But politics meant skipping that and rushing ahead. Space is dangerous. Treat vacuum like poison gas and you won't go far wrong.

    Salyut 6 was the first proper space station, since then it's been continuous.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,398 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    The retort is usually "all those people (the literally millions millions) who witnessed all the Saturn V launches with their own eyes were actors".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,323 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    My favourite theory is that they hired Stanley Kubrick to film the fake moon footage. Being such a perfectionist he insisted on shooting on location.



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I've never actually seen this retort made. The problem is one that conspiracy theorists usually ignore entirely and refuse to address.

    Some theorists insist that the launches were real, but were unmanned and/or were suborbital. But when they are asked how this was achieved and covered up, that point is also ignored and unanswered.

    Theories like this are based on a lack of knowledge of the extent of the space program, or a completely different view of reality, like flat eartherism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,779 ✭✭✭Pinch Flat


    It was sound of the Soviet Union to stay schtum about the fake moon landings. Sound bunch of lads



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 7,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hannibal_Smith


    2 point warning applied to Markus Antonius for trolling and for posting in a thread when they're thread banned. Posts and those replying to it deleted.

    HS



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6 HappyCorner


    it is a hoax but not for any reasons listed here.

    The moon doesn’t even exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,589 ✭✭✭MojoMaker


    Welcome back Markus.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,323 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Finally we have someone willing to speak the truth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    Maybe Russia blackmailed the USA not to expose them . America could still be paying ransom.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    I'd say it would have been stronger than a chest xray in fairness.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    If you stayed for a prolonged period in the strongest part of this belt would you be absolutely goosed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,378 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Yeah, a bit stronger.

    https://www.science.org/content/article/humans-return-moon-scientists-confront-dangers-deep-space-radiation

    The likely radiation dose during Artemis II’s 10-day trip around the Moon and back is modest—roughly equivalent to that of a whole-body CT scan.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    I was referring to Apollo. Don't know what protection Artemis has .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Woodcutting


    Don't know . I heard someone say Apollo would have needed 6 feet of lead and with that weight the Saturn wouldn't have lifted it. I don't know if that's right, but I'd say Apollo got more than an x ray.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,331 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    No lead on the Apollo missions.

    They calculated how much radiation they were receiving at intervals. To correct what I wrote earlier the astronauts on Apollo 11 received multiple chest X-rays worth of radiation.

    The background on earth is about 2 or 3 mSv per year, the Apollo 11 astronauts experienced around 1.8 mSv for their whole trip. So just under a year's worth of radiation in a week. Some other missions recorded higher radiation.

    It's still a risk, but it was known about and considered minimal.

    To put in some context, some of the Chernobyl workers received 50 to 250 mSv and lived for decades after.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,694 ✭✭✭valoren


    How would such black mail work exactly? And why just the Soviets? Why not any country with a receiving antenna?That's the major plot hole in the conspiracy theory and maybe there was black mail isn't a good rebuttal. Think about it. America did everything possible to get caught hoaxing it. Think Apollo 15. They would be on the surface for almost 3 days. Everyone knew where they intended to land. Anyone could find out what trajectory would be used, when the launch was to happen, when burns were to take place etc. Anyone remotely interested in the engineering could find out what frequencies would be used for telecommunication. When the lunar module landed then approximate landing co-ordinates were made public. In short, it was all done in public and doing that if you plan on hoaxing it risks geopolitical humiliation. Knowing all of the above then all you need is line of sight to verify if a signal is stemming from where they claim to be. Pretty ballsy to do all that and expect everyone to keep schtum if you're hoaxing it in a studio. No one exposed it and why? Because the moon landings happened as documented literally down to each second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,378 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    The black mail theory never worked. It would have made more sense that the superpowers wanted to stop wasting so much money and resources on the race so they faked the landing and moved on.

    I don't buy it though, because simply put they've photographed where they landed on the moon. They can argue it wasn't manned but I don't buy it.

    What I'd like to know, in a few hundred or thousand years when we can fully colonise the moon. Will they keep the original launch site as a protected area. Cornered off or isolated in a dome to preserve our first ever manned landing and especially those iconic footprints.



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