Moon landing hoax

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999386#Comment_121999386

This Isn't what people were arguing. You're misrepresenting what people posted while ignoring the points actually made to you as well as many of the questions about your own position.

There are many programs with plans to return to the moon in the next few years, however budgets and delays are a reality.

There is no other reason for why people have not gone back to the moon since Apollo. You and your fellow conspiracy theorists refuse to provide one.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999386#Comment_121999386

The US, at the height of the space race, pretty much with a blank cheque, went to the moon 6 times in the late 60's/70's. And the goal was really just to get there, set foot on it and get back.

Russia? Gave up because they effectively lost the space race. Likewise, they were performing many moon missions in the 70's, then they stopped and haven't really been back since.

Other nations? Weren't even close to it at the time

After that pivotal moment, national and public interest died down dramatically for the moon, for both NASA and the Russians, who switched their sights and goals to other things (getting a space station up, building a reusable shuttle, landing probes on different planets, etc)

Now they are planning on going back to the moon, but not just to set foot on it, walk around a bit and leave - nope, they want to do proper exploration, set up a base there, etc. That's very expensive and much more technically difficult.

robinph

The purpose of going to space in the '60s and' 70s was to beat the other side, science was a side effect but totally not the goal. Sending people was just part of the "beating the other side" goal.

The purpose of space now is science. Easier and cheaper to do a lot of things with robots. Until there is a compelling reason to send people to do the science in person, and it can be done safely, people won't return.

Strumms

ultimately what is the point of returning to the moon ?

There are no known life forms discovered there. There have been multiple missions over decades, manned and unmanned. Parts of the moon were recovered and brought back to earth. Soil column samples were extracted through drilling, yet no signs of any life.

snowcat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999621#Comment_121999621

I dont get it. Why are they trying so hard and struggling to even land on it so?

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999772#Comment_121999772

But this has been explained to you over and over in many different ways.

Meanwhile you continue to avoid outlining what you believe the conspiracy is.

Also notice how you are supporting your disbelief because you can't think of a motivation for something.

This thread shows that there's no motive behind the conspiracy theory. Yet this does not stop you from supporting or entertaining the notion. It's a simple double standard.

sydthebeat

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999772#Comment_121999772

You obviously don't get it, despite it being explained to you numerous times.

I think this is the point where you need to accept that you are simply refusing to even try to grasp the points behind made, because they're not difficult

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999772#Comment_121999772

I'll try

We've had thousands of successful rocket launches. So why are SpaceX failing to get their new rocket up so many times? Because it's a private company building a new rocket. It's highly complex stuff and they are learning as they go.

Likewise with new countries and private companies landing probes on planets. They are testing and launching their own tech. Sometimes successful, sometimes partially successful or unsuccessful.

Remember Russia launching many moon missions in the 60's and 70's, competing with the US, so why did they stop trying to go the moon? Mainly because they lost the will to go after they lost the space race, ergo the funding wasn't really there anymore. If they tried to do it now, I'm sure they could get there, but it would still be massively expensive to re-develop everything for modern systems, rebuild all the infrastructure, rehire, retrain, make it safer, so much so that they probably wouldn't get the funding required.

Can Russia go to the moon if they really wanted? Probably

Could they be bothered with the expense of it all? Unlikely

It's not some conspiracy, it's just logistics, will and funding.

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999772#Comment_121999772

Musk is trying to re-invent the square wheel.

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121999621#Comment_121999621

There's definitely a benefit of using the moon as a route for launching journeys into solar system. Low gravity just makes it more optimal and imagine there's an array of other reasons.

valoren

The why aren't we able to land today argument is a reminder how the Soviets also failed to achieve a manned landing during the moon race. It's hard. The hard part is actually delivering the spacecraft to the moon and the Soviets only began development of their N1 rocket four years after the Saturn V. With the US stating a public deadline and spending billions to make that deadline then even with the motivation for investment from a geopolitical enemy to compete then their rocket simply wasn't ready within that time frame.

The question for conspiracy theorists is why would 15 flight capable Saturn V rockets along with 3 for ground testing be designed, built, tested and successfully flown every time if the plan all along was to film it in a studio? If you're going to the bother of doing that then why not attempt landings? i.e. The public (and our enemy), when they see our staged footage, will want to know how we got to that moon set so lets go to the difficulty, complexity and expense of building rockets powerful enough to send what we need for a moon landing and tell everyone we used those. 🤦‍♂️

Capt'n Midnight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013336#Comment_122013336

Soviet Manned Lunar Projects

Lots of politics on the Russian side. On January 14, 1966 Korolev died in
Moscow during colon surgery. "His successor, Mishin, did not have the
forceful personality and political connections of the original Chief
Designer."

The original plan was to build a space station and with the experience gained head on to the moon later. But politics meant skipping that and rushing ahead. Space is dangerous. Treat vacuum like poison gas and you won't go far wrong.

Salyut 6 was the first proper space station, since then it's been continuous.

AndyBoBandy

The retort is usually "all those people (the literally millions millions) who witnessed all the Saturn V launches with their own eyes were actors".

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013336#Comment_122013336

My favourite theory is that they hired Stanley Kubrick to film the fake moon footage. Being such a perfectionist he insisted on shooting on location.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122013430#Comment_122013430

I've never actually seen this retort made. The problem is one that conspiracy theorists usually ignore entirely and refuse to address.

Some theorists insist that the launches were real, but were unmanned and/or were suborbital. But when they are asked how this was achieved and covered up, that point is also ignored and unanswered.

Theories like this are based on a lack of knowledge of the extent of the space program, or a completely different view of reality, like flat eartherism.