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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,970 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Its all based on a social agreement that men (with man bits) use this toilet 🚹️

    And ladies/girls with female bits & bobs use the facilities marked 🚺️

    Men & women have different needs (obviously), men stand up, ladies sit down. Same for boys & girls. We are a binary species, so we come in two varieties, male & female. It's all very basic stuff really, unless of course you are into transgender ideology, in which case anything goes.

    If a man can identify as a woman, and a woman can identify as a man then the social agreement regarding toilets, showers, changing rooms, etc could be broken - if we allowed it to be broken ……

    But we won't.

    The flip side is that most people who identify as trans get on with their daily lives in peace & quiet, they don't cause a cafuffle and they do what they do without advertising it. The problem we have in recent years is the trans activists Demanding this and Demanding that. Demanding that those men who identify as female female MUST be allowed to use the ladies!

    Once we stop that nonsense, the better things will be for all.

    Graham is correct on this issue 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I always got the impression that Graham cared more about people disagreeing with him than the actual issues at hand.

    I wonder did he ever ask himself if it’s been worth it? His marriage, his mental health, his career, all sacrificed for the sake of sticking it to a few Twitter handles.

    Very odd life choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The transgender man can use the mens toilets (they are zero threat to men as they are women in reality)

    The transgender woman can use the gender neutral toilet that exists in almost all public places.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The bang of 'Women, know your limits' off this, that trans people are 'allowed' to exist by you, but only if they're quiet and meek and demure and tug their forelock. We don't want any of those mouthy, loud trans people who actually speak up and speak out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I take your point about transidentifying women not being a physical threat to men in the men's loos, but I think there's also a question of a right to privacy (for men and women) so I don't think it's up to me as a woman to say that a TIW is ok to go into a men's loo. If men prefer for there not to be women in there with them, then I think that should be their right too.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Was this a problem before men started invading women's spaces? Or did it only become a problem after men broke the social contract by which they stayed out of women's toilets and changing rooms, thus causing women, especially those with a history of abuse by men, to become hypervigilant?

    Because multiple TW such as India Willoughby claim to have used the women's loos systematically for decades without problem - so are we really expected to believe that there are women who look less female than the average TW? I'm calling BS on that.

    (I haven't clicked on the links, but I've seen that middle one before, and the issue was that the two women were suspected of having sex in the toilets. Hence people thought it was a man and woman having sex and called the cops to say so. I'm betting the others are equally nonsensical. Probably made up by TRAs.)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    The bang of 'Women, know your place' off this

    Well that's amusing, coming from you, considering how you talk down to women here. Self awareness is not one of your strong points I see. 🤔

    "How can you not understand… (bla bla bla)"

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Trans men are no threat? Have you really thought this through. Even trans men who actually threaten violence against politicians?

    Obviously, now that I've found one case of a threatening trans man anywhere in the world, we HAVE to conclude that ALL trans men are a threat, and must be kept separate from other men. That's how it works around here, right?

    There are very very few gender neutral toilets in Ireland. I was in a TUD building earlier this year, and what used to be gender neutral toilets had been rolled back to gendered toilets.

    There are some disabled toilets, though they're far from as prevalent as standard toilets. Are you saying that being trans is a disability? And that people with disabilities with medical needs now have to wait for trans people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,970 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    That's actually a very funny sketch I've seen many times before, making fun of a time when women were treated as being inferior to men, but it's got absolutely nothing to do with women needing different toilet facilities to men. Men & women are of course intellectually on an equal footing, but biologically different.

    Why is this so hard to grasp.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    There is a very clear difference between gay people and trans people. Gay people are same sex attracted. Biological reality is a core component of their worldview and sexuality. Trans people are people, who for whatever underlying reason, wish to identify as the opposite biological sex. These two positions are diametrically opposed and unilaterally accepting transactivists demands (that everyone must pretend that a transperson is actually the sex they identify as) is in direct opposition to the rights of gay people to have same sex relationships.

    It was really hard to find this article, whether that is due to being deliberately buried by the algorithim or the fact that Google search is now terrible; https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/trans-activism-has-driven-lesbian.

    It's about how lesbians trying to limit lesbian dating events to biological women only resulted in cancellations and threats from transactivists, which drove them to hold these events in secret for fear of retaliation. That this can occur in a western country in this day and age and these women are not receiving support is terrifying to me.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It became a problem when YOU came up with subjective rules that people get to judge by appearance on who is entitled to share a bathroom with them. Well done you.

    And by 'talk down to', you mean 'have a different opinion to'.

    You did notice that 'How can you not understand….' was using your own words back at you, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's got everything to do with you wanting to keep trans people in their place, compliant and submissive, only 'allowing' them to exist if they don't question or challenge you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Your pretence of 'direct opposition' doesn't reflect what happens on the ground, where trans people often choose to socialise with gay or lesbian people, as they are the groups with which they are most safe and least likely to be attacked. The trans person I know best would often socialise in The George or in Street 66 or Penny Lane in Dublin, some other pubs too, but they're the safest ones.

    The lesbians that I know aren't running scared of trans women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I didn't come up with those rules: they are the ECHR's proposals following the UK SC ruling on FWS's case. If they don't want to use the facilities of their birth sex, they can use the gender neutral ones. How is that a problem to anyone?

    You didn't answer my question as to how come TW like India Willoughby claim to have been using women's toilets undetected for years if women are suddenly unable to detect actual women in front of their very eyes if their hair is too short?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,970 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,719 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I'm not talking about socialising, I'm talking about relationships and sex. Lesbians and gay men have the right to not regard trans people as the sex trans people identify as. Yet gay people, particularly gay women, who attempt to limit their dating pool to same sex not gender are labelled as bigots, fascists and transphobes.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,467 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    It's very hard to argue that women have been consulted and have consented to opening up their spaces to anyone when you yourself are pointing out that they don't consent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 8,477 ✭✭✭plodder


    Great article. I like this bit particularly:

    Back in the 1980s and 1990s, the biggest threat posed to lesbians gathering at a publicised social event was that of thuggish, straight men, boozed up on cheap lager and angry that some women rejected their charms. But today, the danger is from social justice warriors, intoxicated on rigorousness, and an insistence that men claiming to be women can also be lesbians and should not be excluded.

    “The opposite of 'good' is 'good intentions'”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,374 ✭✭✭Hangdogroad


    But he gets to do a sitcom with comedy genius Rob Schneider so its not all bad.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Are you saying that being trans is a disability?

    Why would they need medication and surgery if it's not an illness/disability?

    And that people with disabilities with medical needs now have to wait for trans people?

    I thought there were so few trans people that they wouldn't affect anyone else? I've literally never seen someone waiting outside a disabled toilet, except when the ladies' was so jammed that loads of women had started using the disabled one in desperation. Apart from that scenario, and when they double as family toilets, I've rarely ever seen a disabled toilet in use.

    So I can't imagine a tiny percentage more is going to make a difference. TBH even the times when I've seen women using the disabled loos, I think I've never seen a visibly disabled person among them having to wait in line. Because they would always be given priority by able-bodied women, same as they do when someone comes in with a small child.

    So if a trans person needs the loo faster (post surgery I gather that urinary impairment is commonplace so that might be) then they would presumaby be entitled to do that. Otherwise they could do like women do, and let the disabled person go first.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    @AndrewJRenko thinks women's consent is not important. They're not really people in his mind, only men are people.

    That's why he's so concerned that trans women should get everything they want. Because he knows they're men.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,409 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    No , im saying that the disabled toilets can double as gender neutral toilets for non-disbled people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,565 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I've been in cinemas and restaurants where the disabled toilets also have a changing station for babies, and quite often they are in a separate gender neutral section of the toilets.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    He got arrested for posting a joke that some trans activist didn't like.

    I'd have thought that would be something worth discussing but apparently not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,294 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    While I agree that arresting him was a bit much, he called the person in question a groomer and a domestic terrorist. From the judgement:

    It is accepted that the defendant posted in excess of 20 posts about the complainant in the period between the 11th October 2024 and the 24th October 2024. Those message included phrases which were deeply unpleasant and unattractive. He used phrases such as ‘sociopath’, ‘psycho’, ‘domestic terrorist’ ‘homophobic brats’, ‘grooming’ ‘scumbags’, malignant narcissists’ and ‘buffalo bill’ (serial killer in “Silence of the lambs”).

    That's a middle-aged man posting about a 17-year old, btw, which itself is a bit iffy.

    These aren't jokes by anyone's defintion and if the complainant had the means to sue him for defamation, they'd probably have had a better chance of success than in a criminal trial.

    I don't personally care what anyone wants to identify as, nor do I care if people want to object to that, but there's a recurring theme where deeply, deeply unpleasant people (on both sides) like Linehan get made out to be crusading heroes when they are nothing of the sort.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭Cyclingtourist


    You're confusing a prosecution with a separate arrest that happened while he was enroute to attend court as the defendant in the case you're referring to.

    He was arrested on arrival at Heathrow Airport, held in custody for a number of hours while being questioned about a couple of posts that a trans activist had reported to police. He was eventually released on police bail pending a decision whether or not to prosecute. For a period of about six weeks he had the threat of prosecution hanging over him until eventually he was told that no further action would be taken on this complaint.

    This is what this thread is about, not the case where he was acquitted of harassment but found guilty of 'criminal assault'.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Sorry if I'm bringing bad news, but no, no we don't. It's just a matter of fact that we don't have any veto.

    Some of us may think we're entitled to that veto, but it doesn't exist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    What I can't grasp is you getting upset with people who 'demand' things while you're OK to turn a blind eye with people who get on with their lives and use the bathroom of their choice anyway.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,664 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Are you going to keep omitting the important bit about him inciting others to carry out violent acts against trans people from your little summaries?



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