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Fr Ted creator/writer Graham Linehan Arrested over posts on Transgender issues

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    I've thought about the effect on others a lot. I haven't fallen for tabloid scaremongering about the effect on others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,545 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I didn't see your tweet, but if Jackie is Jackie Green (and Jamie I've no idea) I would say that they should use the bathrooms of their biological sex, or the gender neutral individual ones, but that in practice if they "pass" well enough for people genuinely not to notice (as opposed to being too afraid to complain) then I don't care if they use the other toilets, as long as nobody else cares.

    But if someone complains, then they should potentially be fined for sexual harassment, depending on what they did that called attention to them. Because by their appearance and/or behaviour they are acting inappropriately.

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    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    Its all based on a social agreement that men (with man bits) use this toilet 🚹️

    And ladies/girls with female bits & bobs use the facilities marked 🚺️

    Men & women have different needs (obviously), men stand up, ladies sit down. Same for boys & girls. We are a binary species, so we come in two varieties, male & female. It's all very basic stuff really, unless of course you are into transgender ideology, in which case anything goes.

    If a man can identify as a woman, and a woman can identify as a man then the social agreement regarding toilets, showers, changing rooms, etc could be broken - if we allowed it to be broken ……

    But we won't.

    The flip side is that most people who identify as trans get on with their daily lives in peace & quiet, they don't cause a cafuffle and they do what they do without advertising it. The problem we have in recent years is the trans activists Demanding this and Demanding that. Demanding that those men who identify as female female MUST be allowed to use the ladies!

    Once we stop that nonsense, the better things will be for all.

    Graham is correct on this issue 👍️



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,288 ✭✭✭Former Former Former


    I always got the impression that Graham cared more about people disagreeing with him than the actual issues at hand.

    I wonder did he ever ask himself if it’s been worth it? His marriage, his mental health, his career, all sacrificed for the sake of sticking it to a few Twitter handles.

    Very odd life choice.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,402 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    The transgender man can use the mens toilets (they are zero threat to men as they are women in reality)

    The transgender woman can use the gender neutral toilet that exists in almost all public places.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    The bang of 'Women, know your limits' off this, that trans people are 'allowed' to exist by you, but only if they're quiet and meek and demure and tug their forelock. We don't want any of those mouthy, loud trans people who actually speak up and speak out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,545 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I take your point about transidentifying women not being a physical threat to men in the men's loos, but I think there's also a question of a right to privacy (for men and women) so I don't think it's up to me as a woman to say that a TIW is ok to go into a men's loo. If men prefer for there not to be women in there with them, then I think that should be their right too.

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,545 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    Was this a problem before men started invading women's spaces? Or did it only become a problem after men broke the social contract by which they stayed out of women's toilets and changing rooms, thus causing women, especially those with a history of abuse by men, to become hypervigilant?

    Because multiple TW such as India Willoughby claim to have used the women's loos systematically for decades without problem - so are we really expected to believe that there are women who look less female than the average TW? I'm calling BS on that.

    (I haven't clicked on the links, but I've seen that middle one before, and the issue was that the two women were suspected of having sex in the toilets. Hence people thought it was a man and woman having sex and called the cops to say so. I'm betting the others are equally nonsensical. Probably made up by TRAs.)

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,545 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    The bang of 'Women, know your place' off this

    Well that's amusing, coming from you, considering how you talk down to women here. Self awareness is not one of your strong points I see. 🤔

    "How can you not understand… (bla bla bla)"

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Trans men are no threat? Have you really thought this through. Even trans men who actually threaten violence against politicians?

    Obviously, now that I've found one case of a threatening trans man anywhere in the world, we HAVE to conclude that ALL trans men are a threat, and must be kept separate from other men. That's how it works around here, right?

    There are very very few gender neutral toilets in Ireland. I was in a TUD building earlier this year, and what used to be gender neutral toilets had been rolled back to gendered toilets.

    There are some disabled toilets, though they're far from as prevalent as standard toilets. Are you saying that being trans is a disability? And that people with disabilities with medical needs now have to wait for trans people?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    That's actually a very funny sketch I've seen many times before, making fun of a time when women were treated as being inferior to men, but it's got absolutely nothing to do with women needing different toilet facilities to men. Men & women are of course intellectually on an equal footing, but biologically different.

    Why is this so hard to grasp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    There is a very clear difference between gay people and trans people. Gay people are same sex attracted. Biological reality is a core component of their worldview and sexuality. Trans people are people, who for whatever underlying reason, wish to identify as the opposite biological sex. These two positions are diametrically opposed and unilaterally accepting transactivists demands (that everyone must pretend that a transperson is actually the sex they identify as) is in direct opposition to the rights of gay people to have same sex relationships.

    It was really hard to find this article, whether that is due to being deliberately buried by the algorithim or the fact that Google search is now terrible; https://juliebindel.substack.com/p/trans-activism-has-driven-lesbian.

    It's about how lesbians trying to limit lesbian dating events to biological women only resulted in cancellations and threats from transactivists, which drove them to hold these events in secret for fear of retaliation. That this can occur in a western country in this day and age and these women are not receiving support is terrifying to me.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It became a problem when YOU came up with subjective rules that people get to judge by appearance on who is entitled to share a bathroom with them. Well done you.

    And by 'talk down to', you mean 'have a different opinion to'.

    You did notice that 'How can you not understand….' was using your own words back at you, right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's got everything to do with you wanting to keep trans people in their place, compliant and submissive, only 'allowing' them to exist if they don't question or challenge you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,632 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Your pretence of 'direct opposition' doesn't reflect what happens on the ground, where trans people often choose to socialise with gay or lesbian people, as they are the groups with which they are most safe and least likely to be attacked. The trans person I know best would often socialise in The George or in Street 66 or Penny Lane in Dublin, some other pubs too, but they're the safest ones.

    The lesbians that I know aren't running scared of trans women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,545 ✭✭✭✭volchitsa


    I didn't come up with those rules: they are the ECHR's proposals following the UK SC ruling on FWS's case. If they don't want to use the facilities of their birth sex, they can use the gender neutral ones. How is that a problem to anyone?

    You didn't answer my question as to how come TW like India Willoughby claim to have been using women's toilets undetected for years if women are suddenly unable to detect actual women in front of their very eyes if their hair is too short?

    "If a woman cannot stand in a public space and say, without fear of consequences, that men cannot be women, then women have no rights at all." Helen Joyce



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,973 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 1,715 ✭✭✭OscarMIlde


    I'm not talking about socialising, I'm talking about relationships and sex. Lesbians and gay men have the right to not regard trans people as the sex trans people identify as. Yet gay people, particularly gay women, who attempt to limit their dating pool to same sex not gender are labelled as bigots, fascists and transphobes.

    “Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.”


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