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Fun With Flags! DCC Edition

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,118 ✭✭✭Sudden Valley


    To be honest for many years the flag was co-opted by the Republicans/Sinn Fein types. Outside of sporting events and paddies day it would be very unusual to be displaying the Irish flag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,960 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Yep . But I only remember them carrying them or painting their walls etc . This lamppost lark is taken straight from the UK and NI especially in light of recent news about it .

    The discussion is likewise .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭rdser


    This flag thing is utter nonsense of the highest order. There seems to be a cohort of people that want to limit anything that may possible sometimes maybe offend someone somewhere.

    You know what..that's life. People have been offended since the beginning of time and someone will always get offended by something. You can't protect everyone from everything and any attempt to do so is just horse manure.

    People need to get a grip and realize this. Any attempt to remove the Irish flag should be resisted...and tbh I'd nearly put one up just to annoy these people. This whole effort is getting completely ridiculous and people need to get a fairly large bottle of cop the fck on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,960 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Put it up on your own home or garden

    ..no issues with that .

    Again maybe read the posts properly as to relevance before becoming outraged about others seemingly becoming outraged !

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    So you think people should be allowed plaster estates with flags without permission? Some will like it, but to me it looks kind of thrashy, I probably associate that level of flag stuff with unionist council and other things I don't particularly like.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭rdser


    Tbh, that says more about you than anything else. It's our flag.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭rdser


    Perfectly able to read the posts thanks very much. My post and points stand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Do you think people should be allowed plaster estates with flags without permission?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,149 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    There's plenty Palestinian flags all over Dublin. Not all hanging off of people's houses. But that's "good vibes" isn't it?

    Personally I think flags are crap looking, all of them. Being offended by them is a choice I refuse to make. You could give it a go yourself.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭dmakc


    A couple of years ago, Varadkar told us that no one has a right to veto who lives in their community, so you'll have to take whatever comes with it I guess.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,149 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Are you looking for photographic evidence?

    Would you be of the opinion that no Palestinian flags are flying in Dublin?

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    I've never seen one hanging from public property that I can think of, just people's windows, certainly not anywhere near the scale of the Irish flags where i live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Well yes I don't get to choose who buys or rents the houses next to me or who social welfare etc. put in them. It's also not legal to hang flags from lampposts etc en masse. I don't get your point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,149 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Well we'll have to differ there I guess.

    I saw a massive Palestinian flag hanging off O'Connnell bridge a few weeks ago, they pop up everywhere. As do people in Kafiyahs etc, I'm not really on board with some of the things some of those people say, in fact some of the stuff where they refuse to condemn Hamas is in poor taste but I'm not against them being allowed to have their opinions, voice them or fly their flags.

    That's part of living in a free society.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Hanging there for an hour or two probably during a protest. Where else are they hanging because there are none on o connell bridge now?

    Do you think people should be allowed hang flags all over a street on public property permanently, like the patriots are doing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,149 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I personally wouldn't have flags anywhere, of any type.

    I'd also ban people looking at their phones at traffic lights because I lose hours of my life every year to thoughtless idiots who don't see the lights have turned green.

    However, my personal gripes aren't what the world is run on, nor do I expect them to be.

    Post edited by nullzero on

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,357 ✭✭✭dmakc


    My point is you'll have to just take what comes with them. Here it's boombox raves every weekend in a nearby estate from new arrivals (not accustomed to Irish night time culture, i.e. sleeping), but that's the world we're in now.

    But I suppose it's nothing on the horror of Irish flags in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Ok well then we're both against our streets having lots of Irish flags permanently hung there without permission



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 19,149 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    I'm just not offended by it and accept its part of living around other human beings.

    Kind of like having noisy people on your street. That's life.

    You're twisting my words by singling out Irish flags as the issue. I said all flags.

    Glazers Out!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭nachouser


    We don't need our flag being used in this manner. That sort of sh*te leads to the poppy nonsense you get in the UK. "Where's your flag? Why do you hate Ireland?"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭rdser


    Tbh I don't care. I had to look at houses plastered in Clare flags last year for months and I don't follow GAA really. I see limerick or munster flags all over limerick all the time, lining bridges and peoples homes. I could take offense to homes in my estate covered and I do mean covered in lights for the end of November and all of December. Plastic santas, reindeers and cribs too. There's pride flags all over limerick for the month. And a lot stay there much longer

    I saw a jeep tearing up the m18 yesterday after work with a huge Palestinian flag on a pole out the back. Id have taken a photo if I wasn't driving.

    I don't get offended by any of that..so why would I care. It's a flag.

    Do you think all of the above should have permission from someone? Who do you think should issue permission for these?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Yeah I think you should require permission to have flags permanently plastered all over a neighbourhood, which is completely different to a flag hanging out of a car.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭Get Real


    DCC made the worst choice in bringing up the issue of tackling these flags.

    I don't agree with the nature of them myself. But, by responding to it, DCC have legitimised the issue.

    If nothing was said and we all ignored, the novelty for those involved would wear off quick.

    Now, already, it's given them ammo/a cause. On tiktok etc "protecting the flag"

    DCC have just given them a reason now to pipe up and also secondly, claim some kind of ownership of the flag for themselves. A tiny little group.

    The first article I read on it, DCC were concerned, but council staff would be reluctant to remove them. Also, there was no law against it. I thought why even bother commenting on it/making an issue of it.

    Next headline, DCC meeting with Senior Gardai on the issue. FACEPALM. DCC having earlier said there was no law against it but passing it off the the guards.

    I don't want a second wasted on some tokensitic taking down of flags, just so a select few can turn themselves into martyrs, wraps themselves in the flag, and make a big issue over it.

    Best off saying and doing nothing. Don't give them oxygen. And I'm not some "let them all in" person either. But I don't associate with that crowd and bnp type tactics.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,960 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    They pop up ..and they are taken down .

    The others should be too .

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭rdser


    And who will issue that permission .

    Notice you ignored the rest of the examples..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The council are responsible for pride flags. You would need permission from the council to hang on public property. Peoples houses you can do what you want.

    The gaa are there for a few days or weeks. The patriot ones are not coming down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 255 ✭✭rdser


    The GAA flags are there much longer in many cases. As are the rugby flags and others. All year in some cases. Pride flags are on buildings all over the place and I know for a fact the council do not give permission for many of those...even in town centres, pubs, shops etx

    Christmas lights and cribs... Do they get your approval or pass your test or do you find them offensive. Cribs...are they offending someone? Should we rename Easter eggs as well in case someone is offended.

    It seems everything is fine for you...once you agree with it and seem to be one of the permanently outraged at everything you don't agree with, going by your posts.

    When we stop people expressing themselves, that's a problem and banning the Irish flag or removing it to please a small amount of people in case someone's feelings are hurt or offended by it, that's a very dangerous precedent and shouldn't happen. Ever. Same with debate..it should not be shut down whether it's regarding migration or anything else.

    And who decided "the patriot" ones as you describe them, i.e. the Irish flags are permanent. Was there a memo issued?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,859 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Xmas decorations are generally on private property, same with pride no? Or put up by councils?

    The patriots won't take the flags down, obviously they want the council to do it so you can't even say you're Irish any more etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,146 ✭✭✭jackboy


    So, have many immigrants actually expressed offense with all the flags, or is it the usual suspects being offended on behalf of others.



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