Fun With Flags! DCC Edition

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784309#Comment_123784309

Based on the figures active in the Irish far right, I wouldn't say they're great a aspirational figures but apparently they're patriots...

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784531#Comment_123784531

It's the context and intent of how it's being used.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123783987#Comment_123783987

"White people have colonised, raped and pillaged their countries for centuries, denying them access to ours is just pure racism."

People who post things like the sentence above are the same ones fetishise people's colour, the inverse KKK if you will. Note the colour of the skin determines the morality of the person(s) in question. White is bad, everything else gets a free pass because of white guilt.

So because white pepo have colonised, raped and pillaged other countries it's racist not to do the same? Isn't that the kind of thinking that allowed the rape gangs in Rotheram and elsewhere to thrive and spread throughout the UK? Do those abused girls in Rotherham and elsewhere just need to shut their mouths. For the good of diversity, as Labour MP Naz Shah stated?" I don't think the majority of Irish people feel this way.

99% of Irish people realise this, why can’t the protesters?"

Where did this mythical 99% come from, the posters own head perhaps? Successive polls have shown that over 70% feel that Ireland has taken in too many. Even the likes of Newstalk found that 75% felt this way.

Now as for the flag issue, there are those who absolutely seem to despise the Irish flag and indeed anything traditionally classed as Irish because they see it as backwards, and by extension anyone who doesn't agree with them. They prefer to fly the Palestinian or LGBT flag at the moment. Indeed they seem to be the official flags of the establishment and Civil Society.

Or they could have their own political axe to grind. This isn't new, we've had PBP councillors calling for taking down the tricolour from official buildings as it could offend foreign nationals since 2017. That kind of mindset sees national identity as an obstacle to their worldwide class revolution leading to their socialist utopia which is going to happen any day now. Something which doesn't sit well with the majority I wager.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784517#Comment_123784517

Certain Irish people rose to prominence working for nasty regimes around the world, that is for sure. They worked for colonialists and maybe even agreed with the colonial mindset that indigenous peoples were inferior, believed in slavery etc. Ireland in the 19thC was deemed by the crown to be a colony and protectorate so if anyone was doing the colonising it was on behalf of the crown. Likewise the Federal US government was committing its own ethnic cleansings of indigenous peoples and certainly a few ruthless Irish people were willing participants in it but again, that was to the benefit of the Federal government and not to Irish people or their cause generally. William Smith O'Brien for example, one of our great philosophers and exponents of nationhood was also a committed slaver. Anti-colonial to his bones, yet he felt that forced indentured servitude was a benefit, a civilising mission to the Negro. Go figure.

Thelonious Monk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784665#Comment_123784665

Yeah, some good some bad. The narrative that some Irish people have about people who left here annoys me is all. We all worked hard and were never handed anything. None of that is really true, we're just human like everyone else and go where better opportunities are.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784677#Comment_123784677

For sure, and to get back on point that's what the vast majority of the immigrants to Ireland are doing; working their asses off to give their families a better chance. You would hope that whenever they see a Tricolour they would see it as symbol of hope and success rather than '**** off, you're not welcome here'.

Lotus Flower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784665#Comment_123784665

an Irish person working for a nasty regime abroad does not mean that the Irish colonised for centuries as was claimed

if it’s true that the Irish colonised for centuries then let’s hear all the names of the places that are or were under Irish rule

Gloomtastic!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784550#Comment_123784550

40% of the Rotherham far right protesters in the U.K. have been reported for domestic violence. Knuckleheads. Pure and simple.

The far-right and the far-left are as bad as each other. Can you imagine Malachy Steenson or Ruth Coppinger being in charge of this country? God help us all! 🙄

mikep

I reckon DCC should put up more flags...

Starting with the national flags of all the nationalities living in Dublin..

Maybe stick up a few pride flags too...preferably near the houses of anti immigration "activists"..

It would brighten up the place!!

Gloomtastic!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784800#Comment_123784800

I was thinking that too or else ‘Welcome to Dublin Everyone!’ Banners.

Place them above the tricolours so the knuckleheads can’t reach them.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784890#Comment_123784890

No other flag or pennant should be flown higher than the National Flag.

Sorry for being the flag nerd :)

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784550#Comment_123784550

Quite the smorgasbord of white supremacist arguments there. Reverse Racism, White Guilt, Replacement Theory, Globalism/Soros, Woke Fascism and a smidge of Irish Exceptionalism. A fuckwit salad, if you will.

Dr Robert

The flags are a good way to highlight a sh8thole area. Clever tactics 😂

nullzero

Are we seriously saying that Ireland has blood on its hands as a nation in relation to colonialism?

Some tulip here tried pushing the idea that the Irish were slave owners a few years ago during the George Floyd riots.

Not all majority white countries are responsible for colonialism or slavery.

Some people really seem set on self flajelation.

EDIT.

Just wanted to clarify that this post makes reference to issues of national identity, it has nothing to do with immigration, this should be self evident to anyone who takes the time to read it.

prunudo

Ireland is a great country and we have a lot to be proud of, we should welcome flying the tricolour. The politicans and their paymasters are **** scared of the rise of nationalism. And thats what this all stems from, we aren't allowed have pride in our country or our cultures. People who wave the flag are sneered at, by the typical snobby, chattering classes looking down their noses. Pure classism, people thinking they can dictate, who and when the national flag is flown, and then pontificate, tut tutting and labelling people.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785302#Comment_123785302

The politicans and their paymasters are **** scared of the rise of nationalism

You mean toxic nationalism? No one wants that back, am I right?

Gloomtastic!

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785302#Comment_123785302

This isn’t nationalism. It’s pig-ignorance disguised as patriotism. All the benefits should belong to us! 🙄

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784299#Comment_123784299

We were not the first slaves in the slave trade. If by slave trade you mean the trans atlantic slave trade.

Irish people were sent as indentured servants. The difference here is that it was fixed term. And their children weren't indentured. Slaves were slaves for life. And so were their children.

The irish as a nation never colonised another country and that's something to be proud of. But many Irish people willingly moved to conquered lands. Many Irish willingly joined the British army. Yes, many may have done so for economic reasons, but so did many Scottish, Welsh and English people. And many of these people who colonised these lands will have done horrific things quite willingly. Saying they were only in those countries because of the english doesn't excuse what they did when they got there.

History isn't simple. It's messed up. We'll have ancestors who were both hero's and villains. We can be proud of the guys who did great things, but ashamed of the ones who did terrible things.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785330#Comment_123785330

A lot of corporate interests find it to be a very useful tool in stifling discussion about inequality. Sadly, it's always been easier to turn the working classes against each other than for Trade Unionists and other activists to organise working class resistance to the establishment.

Thelonious Monk

So I should get no say in whether my area is covered in irish flags or not? which it is currently.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784756#Comment_123784756

Is Ireland being colonised?

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785620#Comment_123785620

You get no say in flags outside your house but at the same they will call for direct democracy in relation to lots of other social issues.
Ah the duality of boards posters!

eightieschewbaccy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785302#Comment_123785302

Personally I think it's a bit of an affront to the flag to tag on whatever xenophobic or racist **** certain people are subscribing to. This pretty clearly does not relate to celebrating our future. Also let's be clear your idea of Irish culture invariably tends to reject that not all Irish people are white, when there's sporting achievements from non white athletes you'll likely take jabs at them. That's a pretty toxic concept of Irish culture.

In terms of the nefarious paymasters of the Irish government, that's effectively the Irish public and exchequer.

scottser

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785604#Comment_123785604

This never gets said often enough.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785636#Comment_123785636

White Irish population will be at or very likely below 75% at the next census so, yes, it is.

RobbieTheRobber

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785743#Comment_123785743

I asked a very simple question of the other poster.

A yes or no will really suffice.

But I don't think you need to make up a new question for yourself and quote me in answering it.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785604#Comment_123785604

Comrade, it's not about equality. We are not equal, not even in the communist dream, even there it's from everyone according to their capabilities to everyone according to their needs, or some shite like that, which inherently acknowledges that people aren't equal. But yes, I agree with you that in a civilized society everyone who works should afford a decent standard of living, which we can't have if we import cheap labor instead of raising wages at the low end.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785746#Comment_123785746

I gave you both an answer and the argument for that answer, so you're welcome.

Rocket_GD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785743#Comment_123785743

So "white Irish" making up over 3/4's of the population means Ireland is being colonised? Ok then…

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123784794#Comment_123784794

I couldn't imagine either being in charge of this country thankfully.

Cordell

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123785763#Comment_123785763

Down from 95% in 2006? 20% drop in 20 years, I think that's worse than London, but on a full country level.