BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

Use it to get to and from Iggy Pop at RHK. Very handy! Now if they could up the frequency/reliability a bit :)

I use the N2 occasionally and it's definitely getting gradually busier, particularly during the week. The buses coinciding with the schools can be fairly full.

There are still reliability issues. The Saturday before last, every other bus was cancelled for most of the day effectively giving it a 60 minute frequency. There was another day that week where 5 buses in a row to Clontarf were cancelled in the afternoon. DB are certainly far from perfect but I've never seen anything that bad with them.

Two stops closed...

Not unexpected but deeply frustrating.

recurring FU to the NCR

well it makes more sense to have that consultation than it does to have 3 rounds of consultation on the bus corridors and then ignore the outcome, ignore design standards and apply for planning with a flawed scheme and then get planning permission for the flawed scheme and then just ignore that planning permission (Liffey Valley CBC) and build something different (lower spec) because someone got upset after the fact.

To add on to what your saying and to give some numbers, of the 1145 double deckers listed on bustimes.org, 158 buses or about 1 in 7 buses are still single door models.

From bustimes (and from my anecdotal experience) it does seem that they are trying to assign as many of these buses as possible to X routes, which limits their impact on passengers. However when such a significant portion are single door buses that isn't always possible, and why a number of routes still end up with single door services.

I am looking forward to the day that the last of the single door buses are gone, however considering the number of buses to replace (as well as number needed for increased frequency) I doubt it will happen before BC rollout is complete.

I don't think consultation even matters anyway. As the NTA have proven in Ballyfermot, they'll just do their own thing anyway. They don't follow any design standards or logic and take no heed of public consultation or even planning decisions.

I assume it was included in a pay deal, or they were given some reassurances around safety (IIRC the union's complaint was that drivers couldn't properly monitor passengers getting off at the middle door and might be held liable if something happened).

It was actually to provide more space wheelchairs and buggies and still keep the same seating capacity. But let's not let that get in the way of a good bash at the drivers/unions.

The old buses had no cameras for the driver to monitor the rear doors. My experience pre covid was that the vast majority drivers opened the centre doors but most people still piled out the front doors. Still don't get the reasoning as to why the GAI streetlites were purchased with only one set of doors.

On the specific point the high-frequency 46a route was operated almost exclusively by buses with middle and front doors. on the segment under discussion (NCR west of Phibsboro) it was replaced (without consultation) by a lesser frequency 11 with almost exclusively front-set-of-doors only. (again also without consultation).

When asked on here why at the very least that the buses previously allocated to the route could not be maintained on it ( to at least soften the blow by having two sets of doors ) I was told to just accept it and suck it up cos thats the way the cookie crumbles , the NTA are chucking you a bone by providing the 11 out of the goodness of their hearts, they didnt have to, you should be grateful.

And we go round and round on this.

operational allotment of buses by the bus company ? Fine. Route 46a already has two-door fleets? Let's not change that, the E spine is a new one so who cares , somebody had to have made the operational decision to descope the geographic route and by implication make a change. I see it very very differently to you. Neither am I the CEO of DB or of the NTA.

That said the 11 onto the NCR is an imposition without any consultation on it whatsoever (even in original BC or recent BC ) [ ignoring all the debate about "consultation" ] . There was no pressure to do the E before the O was ready

Can anyone explain the fare difference between taking the C4 from celbridge to O'Connell street vs taking the 120 bus which is operated by Go-Ahead?

Do both routes fall under the €2 leap fare for Zone 1 or is the 120 bus different as its technically a commuter bus? (Im struggling to understand the new fare structure from 16th June).