Your New WHS Index

You can pull any webpage page into excel with the data import from file option. Depending on the way the tables/columns are stored in the webpage you might be able to do it quite quickly. If it doesn't allow you to do it from the webpage directly (security/logins etc) you can try to print the webpage to pdf and import the pdf file to excel instead.

Any time I've needed to grab scores it I just highlighted the text from top to bottom on the page with my mouse. Then copy pasted into excel before tidying it all up.

For the query about the low index. The limit of upward movement in a year is 5 strokes, outside of that you need to get approval from regional handicap advisor/committee. Most likely something was manually changed or reset although I wouldn't rule out a system error. You can see the index adjustments from the report for interclub team members and it might be on the handicap difference between dates also.

Contact your local advisor with the player's info and they will probably know. They have a little more visibility than what you'd get but there isn't any detailed audit logs. For that it needs to go back to the software provider to check the back end.

There is a way to see the current handicap calculation on the member's scores page. I think it's ctrl shift and right or left click on the handicap index. Extra detail pops up to show what is in the calculation including any caps in place.

Can someone explain this same course different tees. Consecutive days..

CR..71.9 SLOPE 129 GROSS 91 SD.16.7

CR 70.7 SLOPE 127 GROSS F9.45 B9 8..11HOLES 1 OVER PAR

7 HOLES NOT PLAYED.

SD. 14.7

How on a shorter easier rated course tees is the SD rated better by two in the diffential for a similar gross score.

so first, I guess it is technically not the same course as different tees used?

if you are playing an 18 hole course but don't play a number of holes, the system will give you a score for each of the holes you have not played. those scores will be based on submitted scores from players of similar handicap level to yourself. so it ignores the fact you were playing really well for the 11 holes you did actually play, so eg if you were off 18 and played the 11 holes in 1 over, it will probably give you 7 bogeys for the holes you didn't play in order to calculate your SD

Move the hard cap down substantially..

Not That F""in hard

Under 2 at least

On a easier course, heading for a similar gross score the easiest course returned a differential of 2 whole points harder.

These are not real figures below, I'm just using them to reply to your question. If a low handicapper played those 7 imaginary holes on a "standard" course, they should shoot much lower than a high handicapper. Let's say it averaged to +2 vs the high hc with +7. This then gets factored into your differential.

Whether you played 11 holes from the tips at The European or the reds in Moyvalley, the 7 unplayed holes get treated the same. The differential is then calculated based on how your hc index is "expected" to perform for missing holes on a course of standard difficulty. Absolutely no relationship to the round you played. If you had actually shot +2 or +7 on The European, it would be an absolute worldy and have a super low differential, for example.

Supposedly, the system has an enormous number of data points to make this calculation, so that's all we can say. Perhaps it's not perfect, but it does get more scores on people's records. Particularly 12/15 hole comps, which are very common (seniors & ladies). So a big performance on one of these comps will automatically be accounted for, reducing guesswork in handicap administration. The same with 4ball scores now being captured. It all helps.

If you wanted to make the unplayed holes differential calculation more accurate, it would become quite complicated. There might not be enough data points to begin with. You have to think of tees played, PCC, course conditions, weather, hole indexes, are you playing home or away for the first time etc. There are also temporary factors like GUR, temp greens and coursework. Hopefully it can be improved on over time.

This would appear to facilitate the sandbagger even more as the index climbs. No?

As the index rises it's treated preferentially over the former lower index.

There is no preference for a lower or higher index, per se. It's not looking at the performance for holes played. The calculation is closed out based on millions of data points of historical performance. Your index on the given day is compared to that pile of data to spit out a result. You always expect a higher index player to perform worse. This is not preferential, this is just reality.

Low index player is +12 through 11 and having a mare. Or level through 11. The unplayed holes are treated with the same expected score. Case 1, the differential might not be as high as you think. In Case 2, the differential will be higher than you think because the expected average score for 7 holes is in the middle of the two.

Apply the same logic with a high handicapper and think about how you'd expect them to perform. You don't expect a high handicapper to play scratch golf for the remaining holes in either case.

Sandbaggers operate as always: by putting in lots of rubbish scores. It's up to someone to call it out and/or handicap committees to then intervene. Nothing has changed here, but the data is more transparent.

Committees can see casual round vs comp or 9 vs 18 hole scores. Home vs away etc. Some clubs are better at managing score irregularities than others. There are various reasons, as you can imagine.

I don't recall it tbh. I assume if it was posted by the competition software, then that software has the relevant comp score entered to compare it with. I doubt the GI app lets you enter all zeros, but maybe it did.

My guess would have been a bad API call between the systems, and the data didn't post correctly in the WHS database. I know clubv1 had a few bugs last year. It meant I had to sit down with the competition sec, open every scorecard on clubv1 and manually re-sync to the WHS database. There weren't blank scorecards; the whole scorecard never transferred over in the first place.

Sorry I dunno how I forgot about this one. Are they not just auto-posted penalty scores for non-returns in a comp?

There's guidance from GI on how to address non-returns and suggested actions for repeated behaviour. You'll find it's mostly people who refuse to put in a bad card or walk in after a few holes.

The penalty scores report probably lets you find them all.

I think if they hit the Tick it automatically gives however many holes are unfilled a zero..

Our consol does not have did play button function.

It is the older/ cheaper manual entry for each hole did not play or played but did not score. Ticking gives the second option I believe.

different softwares just do things differently. Nothing really to do with older or cheaper

yeah no brainer to make it harder to go back up so quick

Casual round entry- much as I love it- needs to be looked at too- just far too easy to abuse- maybe only 1 casual round can count as part of your 8?

same as me but it’s also being completely abused by the cheats