Donald Trump the Megathread part II - mod warnings in OP, Updated 18/03/25

and a traitor to the US.

The haters won't like this. Looks like Trump has had some success with Netanyahu pushing him to a ceasefire before he takes office. Apparently the ceasefire will be announced tomorrow.

I suspect if Trump is heavily involved he would want everyone to know, there is no way he is helping to try push through a cease fire just before he takes office and giving Biden the credit as the sitting president.

Ah yes, a bit more investigation reveals:

US President Joe Biden expressed similar optimism in a speech Monday focused on foreign policy, saying the United States was “pressing hard to close this.”

“The deal we have structured would free the hostages, halt the fighting, provide security to Israel, and allow us to significantly surge humanitarian assistance to the Palestinians who suffered terribly in this war that Hamas started. They have been through hell,” Biden said.

Meanwhile, President-elect Donald Trump told Newsmax that his understanding is that “there’s been a handshake and they’re getting it finished.” Trump’s incoming special envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff previously told reporters he was working alongside Biden administration officials during the negotiations, and hoped to get a temporary ceasefire deal enacted before Trump’s inauguration on Monday.(CNN)

Trump is not involved and his 'incoming' hanger on Special Envoy is taking credit on his behalf.

Jack Smith's report on Jan 6th now released. No doubt it will just five DJT cause for another abusive rant.

https://edition.cnn.com/2025/01/14/politics/special-counsel-smith-report-trump-2020-election-subversion/index.html

Good to see that earlier attempts by Judge Cannon to bury it have failed.

What's remarkable about this apparent deal of deals is the way Sky and other news agencies reported that the head of Israeli intelligence was being sent to the talks spot to represent Israel. To me, that means Israel's hand was forced by a strong push not just from Biden but also by another US friend behind the scenes. Trump's Envoy also went to the area to ensure the deal was committed-to by Benny. Coincidentally Bidens administration let the world know it would be sending military aid to Israel at the same time Sky was "leaking" the news of whom was representing Israel at the talks.

……. post itself was absolutely dripping in salt, as usual, not a great attempt at a wind up (and looks very desperate).

But that's all they are interested in; the poster has even admitted this. There's no depth to what they post it's how they can frame it to their 'advantage' for the next sly dig.

Has anyone been watching Lisa Hilton's documentary on BBC4 about the trial of King Charles by the Rump Parliament and Oliver Cromwell(1648 I think)

The parallels with Trump's failed impeachment seem interesting to me.

If Trump wants to act like a King I hope that he can be brought down like a King too.

Really fascinating and immersive documentary (part 3 tonight at 12 or 12.20)

The Parliamentarians had just won the Civil War and wanted to hold Charles accountable but there was no law suited to putting a Monarch on trial who owed his authority to a supposed Deity -and had no peers to be the jury.

He was also no slouch when defending his case from the dock and had plenty of supporters in the community even though the Civil War had knocked the stuffing out of the country.

Great Drama at the forefront of their own information revolution too.

Lisa Hilton is a good presenter as well.

But he did attempt to overthrow a legitimate election, and he did illegally take classified documents. That's the problem, that's where the anger should be directed. Not the legal systems failure to hold him to account (because he managed to dodgily postpone the trials which gave him time to get re-elected).

He should be serving sentences for both these crimes, not preparing to sit his corpulent frame back behind the resolute desk.

What was "the haters aren't going to like this" about then? Totally needless and pointless remark.

In this particular instance, there are indications Trump was deliberately trying to hold up ceasefire so that he could claim credit for it.

Trump is the one carrying out vile acts, coming out with offensive racist drivel on campaign, lying to get elected, trying to steal the last election, whipping up the January 6th mob riots, being a sex pest \ rapist. That is where anger should be directed.

The Democrats can be faulted \ criticised for failing to stop Trump and get their act together and message across, but it is a totally different sort of criticism. That is where constructive criticism should be directed.

And who is at fault for him being behind the resolute desk? Is it Donald Trump or the Democrats?

Donald Trump is the democratically elected leader of the free world

No he isn't. It's easy to see how impressionable you are when you parrot phrases like this

Donald Trump is the democratically elected leader of the free world

Now this is laughable; we shouldn't be so harsh on poor Donald. We should criticise the others who ran against him.

You also continue to view these scenarios as very simplistically as two-sided with those critical of Trump as automatic supporters of the Democrats.

But as long as he pisses off the 'right' people, you're good.

"the haters aren't going to like this" 

Was nothing but childish one-up-manship devoid of any real depth of knowledge about what you'd posted (again). It was a chance for some immature point scoring.

Firstly he is the leader of the free world and secondly criticising the Democrats here is not "point scoring", it's deserved criticism.

This man they call a buffoon and a criminal - yeah they lost to him twice. This time around the republicans also control both houses.

Plenty of Democrat supporters and others on the left just cannot bring themselves to acknowledge the failures of their leadership and why Trump got re-elected. The tunnel vision hatred of Trump seems to blind them from serious self assessment as to why? It's not just supporters, it's elected politicians.

I maintain it's the Democratic party who are at fault for Trump's election, not Trump himself.

He has plenty of haters out there as you well know and he does piss off the right people - those entitled folks at the top of the Democratic party and their corporate cheerleaders. Remember Hilary? - it was her turn. Same with Kamala - it was her turn too.

Nope.

You'll have to endure the next four years and as you're doing that just remember it's the incompetent out-of-touch leadership of the Democrats that's the reason why.

Everytime you see him speak as the leader of the free world, all those decisions made you vehemently disagree with, all the buffoonish statements, corruption, clowning around - all that, just remember:

The Democrats lost to this man twice.

So here I think we’re encountering phenomenon that I feel speaks to an interesting cohort within the MAGA-verse.

It’s what I call the «This’ll learn dem lib-tards!» cohort. People who might perhaps have some form of political opinion for sure, but their main objective appears to be to show up anyone who might display some liberal leanings, or perhaps even anyone to the Right of hunting people for sport.

I sense it comes from a deep sense of inadequacy and/or rejection. They want to be accepted by the world at a whole, but can’t grasp the norms of respect that many of us tend to take for granted. But instead of reflecting on this, they lash out and wish instead to burn down the society that shuns them.

So they vote for the likes of Trump, who normalise the anti-social cruelty they never grew out of. They trumpet the values of the valueless, and declare to the world «Heh heh! This’ll annoy those liberals!»

But under it all, there is the pang of isolation. «Why won’t they accept me?» One day these people might understand. But in the meantime we’ll continue to get a cohort of MAGA supporters in the US, and «centrists» in other places.