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Election to be called Fri - predict outcome

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I don't vote SF. People are afraid to vote SF which is why the wasters in FFG are kept in. However we now have an alternative opposition with decent numbers for the first time in years. Let the games begin. FFG will have a very very hard time living up to their promises. The promises were to fix the disasters they caused !!

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    You mean decent opposition in terms of Labour and Soc Dems? Yes, I agree.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Only 25% of TDs are female. SF have the highest with 16 TDs.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,519 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    SF lost vote share in one election. Sin é.

    If they lose more in the next GE then you can start talking 'trends'.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Was Michelle O'Neil elected to the Dail?

    Anyone know why she was there today?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,519 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Same reason Micheál and other Dáil deputies hang with the SDLP up north.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,790 ✭✭✭Caquas


    One outcome I could have predicted - Michael O'Leary's comments about teachers did no harm at all to Peter Burke in Longford-Westmeath. Burke topped the poll, elected on the first count and brought in a running mate. Nailed on for another top Ministerial post.

    Will the people's votes give pause to all those in the media who piled on and misrepresented what O'Leary said? No, they are shameless.

    Will FG regret their spineless apology, throwing O'Leary to the media dogs (though he is well able for that)? Of course not.

    How many teachers in the new Dáil?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭timmyntc


    The volume of traffic between Cork and Waterford is not high enough to justify a motorway connection. Govt policy should not be based on emotive statements like "2nd largest and 5th largest cities" and instead be based on cost benefit analyses. Cork to Waterford does not pass a CBA.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    lol! from south dublin to the airport? do you know it will serve the largest town in Ireland without a rail line? Swords… it will carry 100,000,000 passengers a year, facilitate massive amount of new residential construction and take serious volumes of traffic off the road… And FYI, dublin is a massive loser in terms of the spend it gets versus the wealth it redistributes to the rest of the country…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,557 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    This is the laughable and best bit! Its why I would not touch going into government if if were SD , Labour etc, things will likely get worse, never mind getting better… The housing completions this year, will be the same as last year, yet we have heard for years, about how they were going to take it seriously. Talk of 50-60,000 completions a year, is the stuff of comedy!

    This stuff would take years … The planning system is an absolute farce, densities are a farce, that is just for starters, but they wont address those issues, that alone sinks their bullshit claims… Forget about the labour required, lack of infrastructure servicing the sites. If they got serious now, it would take years to sort the issues, to even allow those numbers of homes to be completed…

    They have a dream scenario, the are maintaining power , while at the same time, literally benefiting from the "housing crisis" for the decision makers in government, home owner's, likely own other properties, its a get rich scheme. So its only a crisis, if you are on the other side of the fence, they are in the minority… that pretty much sums up, why nothing will be done… Prices increased over 10 percent this year so far… Immigration floodgates open. They are gaslighting the population…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭CrabRevolution


    You're forgetting Morton's White Elephant Fork;

    1. If there's demand for something, it needs to be built to satisfy demand.
    2. If there's no demand for something, it needs to be built in order to induce demand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    If you start with a spike on your trend period, expect to be called out on it. Using it to make a point is nonsensical.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,519 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,365 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Mick Clifford outlining the madness of the delay in forming a government and the nonsense of it possibly dragging into January.

    The electorate voted back in FF and FG. Their laziness in forming a government quickly is leaving a bad taste.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Is it?

    Based on boards predictions the government was dead

    We had predictions from you and others for years now about what the people of Ireland thought about the government, SF was the future, blah blah blah

    The same people now are making more predictions about the electorate and their opinions of FF and FG

    Maybe its time to give it a rest because clearly you have no idea what is going on in Ireland and if maany really give a sh*t if the government is formed tomorrow or in Jan

    I certainly couldn't care less. Time to enjoy Christmas season



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,739 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    That's a drop in the ocean to be fair

    Willie isn't liked by many in FF so while he'd probably take health he'll never be offered it despite his vote getting abilities



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,335 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    He will never be offered it. He had to resign the last time he was a minister. 72 now too. Only in politics for the craic.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,418 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    This


    Martin didn’t give O’Dea for any role over the past 5 years - never mind a ministry. There wasn’t even media speculation that he might be considered for something.

    Hard to see any scenario where he’s considered for anything at this point. If he was 4-5 years younger he’d be a shout for Ceann Comhairle - but he’s 1) too safe a seat if standing for reelection and 2) at possibly 77 by the next election too much of a risk of a by-election in the next 2 election cycles



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    So more of the same so? Not much has changed tbh.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,309 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Given that we have higher traffic numbers on existing motorways, perhaps it does?

    https://trafficdata.tii.ie/publicmultinodemap.asp

    It is also not a motorway between Cork and Waterford, it would be a connection to Rosslare and the southern Atlantic seaboard.
    Parts of the N20 has similar traffic numbers to the N25 in parts, and a motorway is being built there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,035 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,408 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    SF seem to have a 20% baseline now, FG are slightly above that. FG must be due some time in opposition come 2029 (18 years in power at that point). I don't see SF falling away in any major way while in opposition, unless they repeat the latest scandals (the next GE could end up being very close to the locals/EU).

    I do wonder if FF are heading back to being the party of government, they've really had an astonishing recovery since 2011.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,566 ✭✭✭✭charlie14


    Where are you getting that we now have an alternative opposition with decent numbers for the first time in years ?

    In 2020 the combined number of seats won by parties of the left (SF, Greens, Labour, SD and SPBP) was 66, with the number of seats won by the centre parties (FF, FG) 73,

    2024, with with an increase of 14 Dail seats, the combined number of seats won by the same parties of the left are 65, while the combined number won by the same centre parties are 84.

    With an increase in the number of seats, the parties of the left won 1 less, whereas the centre parties won 11 more.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    But what if they were part of a good govt with SF, do you think their voters would take it out on them for delivering a government that was seen as competent and improved things like housing, health etc.? Of course if they didn't perform well voters would take it out on them, as they should with any bad government, regardless of party. Both parties would no doubt be heavily penalised by voters if the govt was a complete shambles and made everything a lot worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    Wrong again mate! Funny how every media outlet and newspaper has all 3 parties with a decline in FPV but you keep insisting FG had an increase.

    You are crowing about a decline in SF votes over a tiny period (2020 to 2024) to suit your narrative. Look back 15-20 years and tell me which party is on the up and which one is in decline.

    Seats held:

    2007 SF 4 FG 51

    2011 SF 14 FG 76

    2016 SF 23 FG 50

    2020 SF 37 FG 35

    2024 SF 39 FG 38

    Btw, FG had a similar drop in FPV to SF's recent drop (from 2016 -2020 FG FPV dropped from 25.5% to 20.9%) and it cost them 15 seats. Now that was a disaster! SF's recent result is nothing close to that.

    Also FG have held steady this time around so taking their 2020 result and trying to predict doom and gloom from it, like you're doing for SF, would have been futile.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭kerry_man15


    FG had a similar percentage drop from 2016 to 2020 and they're still around so stop with the Chicken Little act "the sky is falling"! Using terms like 'rapid decline' and 'categorically downwards' make you look foolish and sound hysterical. Fact is that parties FPV's fluctuate from one election cycle to the other. All 3 major parties have been in or around 20% for the past two elections now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,519 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Wil Lowry get a ministry given he has a key role in negotiations?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,321 ✭✭✭Field east


    ’——- an alternative opposition with decent numbers ———‘. You left out one MINOR element is WITH AN AGREED PROGRAMME



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