BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

The 11 will be redirected to cover this when the E spine launches (until theO launches)

I agree. It's quicker to walk between Newtown/the N11 and Kilcoole/Newcastle than to get the bus into Greystones and back out at present.

The L2's that don't go to Newcastle are to terminate at the Sea Road Terminus in Kilcoole, where the X1 will also terminate and where the old 84 used to. The longer term plan is for the L2 to run via Sea Road and Holywell Avenue instead of Newcastle Road through Kilcoole, however, no infrastructure has been put in.

This will probably be after the whole BusConnects programme at this rate, but I believe the plan is to extend the L1 from Newcastle Hospital (which is the current Newtown terminus) to Newcastle Village. Then, every second L2 will operate from Kilcoole to either Newtown or Newcastle, which would link all three villages together. The L2's to Newtown may have a different route number. The new roads to the west of Newtown where all the new estates are being built have bus stop kerbs and stopping areas built into the road, suggesting some bus route will operate up there (eventually) and I doubt that this will be the L1 or 131/133. The local Sinn Féin and Social Democrats TD's are very active and vocal in trying to get these connections I believe, particularly the Newtown to Kilcoole one, but the NTA haven't budged. There was also talk of a Local Link route from Greystones to Roundwood via Kilcoole and Newtown, but it looks like the Local Link to Roundwood will now operate to Bray via Kilmac instead.

While I agree they missed a trick, I think the bus could've struggled to make the turn onto/off Chapel Road in Delgany Village. The 184 struggles to get through Delgany as it is. Chapel Road would also be difficult to negotiate with the way cars are parked all over the place. Nothing some double yellow lines couldn't solve, however, with the number of wealthy residents there is in Delgany, I'm sure there would be a lot of opposition to such an idea. The terminus for the L3 is also already there at the roundabout on Chapel Road.

The main benefit of doing the loop around Delgany would be to serve Delgany Wood where there are a lot of kids who go to the schools at Lidl.

where is the O going?

Terrible decision so our route to Dun Laoghaire is gone ☹️ No routing to O'Connell St or Stephens Green, the Luas is jam packed at peak time.

What's so essential about this Phoenix Park - Dun Laoghaire route that didn't exist until about ten years ago?

I see both sides here. While the 46a extension to the Zoo is not the oldest route in there, its a solid route to UCD, Leeson St, Donnybrook and Dun Laoghaire from Infirmary Road that many use. This was mooted if I recall at the time to unlock latent demand and I dont tihnk we can or should be railing when in fact people do want to keep their single bus.

Also while the 11 is scheduled to replace the 46a northside - and we dont yet know the timetable or the 11b - what we do know is its only temporary and the route from Infirmary Rd along the NCR to town will be eventually withdrawn completely , and the only reason its not happening is the O is not yet ready to go , so its somewhat misleading.

And yes there was badly publicised consultations, none for this area on this route , but they were several years back . I dont think its reasonable to jab back saying there were and you're bad for missing it. Consultations should be timely and local Point me at an O route consultation meeting that was local to the NCR or the Phoenix Park/Infirmary Road.

I've read back all the consultations and effectively where this bit is concerned the NTA haven't cared a jot.

Plenty of politicians on the door in the next few weeks.

At Hanlons Corner, the B spine will run along the DART line passing near Pearse, Lansdowne, Sandymount and Sydney Parade

The B3 & B4 will pass near Booterstown and Blackrock. The B3 will terminate at Dun Laoghaire DART station.