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Dispute with mod

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Mr spam artist himself ofc has to have his say.

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    Warned: Offtopic, attacking the poster

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,001 ✭✭✭scottser


    This place is not important. Ultimately it needs our input in order to be relevant and interesting so they need us more than we need them. After all, these are only opinions and it is pointless getting upset about them. If your opinion offends someone like Beasty enough to ban you then you're probably doing something right.

    Don't sweat it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 782 ✭✭✭reclose


    m.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,092 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    Genuine question: Who does this thread concern? Is it just a vehicle for posts between the OP and Admins? If so, why did you and others post? It just seems odd.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,023 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    I received a warning for a link dump, which wasn't a link. I pointed this out - it was accepted by Beasty that he got it wrong.

    However, he didn't uplift the ban, but merely changed the reason to say I shouldn't be posting a screen grab.

    Recently, I got a week ban for calling trump a rapist. I didn't. I called him a racist.

    Again, when I pointed this out, he accepted he got it wrong.

    However, he didn't but uplift the ban but merely changed the reason for a second time , claiming that my post didn't fit with the tone he wanted for the thread.

    This is patently unfair.

    I think a mod should be able to not only accept when they got it wrong, but they also change their ruling according rather than remain intransigent.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,639 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Sorry but how childish and immature is this

    It's basically the equivalent of a child saying I know you are but what am I



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,639 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    Looks like targeting to me

    If I don't get you one way, ill get you another way



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,526 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Seems like some additional clarification is required on;

    1, what the bounds of civility are.

    2, when posting a link is considered a link dump and when it isn't.

    Clarification of these issues would seem to be a course to less moderator action being required going forward. That's a win for users and moderators.

    Solutions are achievable, often without much effort being required it would seem.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    No. The point being demonstrated is that Emmett was only being bullied against posting in the thread for holding a contradicting view. Cleary you nor Real actually have a basis for suggesting this was nobody else’s business besides OP.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,526 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    Bullied?

    His initial contribution was to guffaw at the OP even opening this thread, he went on to be openly insulting and abusive to the OP and others.

    His "solution" was to opine that the OP change their posting style rather than consider the position being put forward by the OP.

    There's clearly room for improvement on communication of some parameters in CA which isn't a massive ask and would reduce the number of reported posts and bans handed out, ie a smoother running forum.

    Just because some rules changes were recently implemented doesn't mean that there aren't issues to be addressed any more.

    People should be entitled to express their opinions without being piled on by trolls who have nothing constructive to offer in response.

    Glazers Out!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    using 0 point warnings for clarifications can be helpful I agree rules should be very clearly lain out. Link dump has been vague and has applied to things that are not links, eg videos and even images. The rule should be suitably clarified to get across the scope and purpose.

    but sometimes modifying posting style and habit is fundamentally necessary. That’s part of the lesser friction forum objective. It should not be shut down out of hand. Calling the suggestion trolling is itself not constructive. In the OP for example the post under dispute can be viewed as uncivil IMHO 🤷🏻‍♂️ (no offense, Frankie) if I called you pal and told you to stop pretending you care about this topic Nullzero I have no doubts you would be flagging my post hoping to see mod punishment taken against me. I can also see your perspective that Emmet might be considered bullying the OP into not starting the thread and belittling its purposes.

    Definitely agree with you there’s room for improvement. When the rules came in there was no 0 point warnings or any breaking in period, the breaking in period was applying bans and applying them often. I think I even told one user via PM: while I disagreed with a user vehemently I saw being banned, I also witnessed something of a murder because several of their posts were warned in succession, building the user up to a lengthy mid-tier, months long ban in one fell swoop, and I didn’t assume that was necessarily the point of the new ban escalation structure, though the mods clearly have some discretion to deal harshly with eg. Rereges.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    idk if it’s targeting but I believe it’s trying to use revisionist reasoning to prevent the glaring problem with the new system: if they start reversing bans by admitting a mistake occurred, then the new system is broken because bans are once again able to be disputed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Dan Steely


    Boards will take this system and style of moderation to its grave, or vice versa. The owner is beholden to this/them. There isn't the commitment or money for any more change. This is it now.

    The feedback forum is for optics only now. They closed it before but had to backtrack. Were It to be closed now I don't think there would be much pushback.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 203 ✭✭CrazyEric


    I had a very similar issue with the same Mod. He accused me of calling someone a re-reg and when I respectfully pointed out that the poster he was referring to only made their first post 2 hours after my comment so it was impossible then it became a case of " being uncivil" when I pointed out again that that wasn't possible because the poster hadn't yet joined Boards it became a case of I was trying to Dox someone by comparing posting styles on 2 anonymous forums.

    Boards is dying and as someone who was here posting from 2005 I have to say "good enough for them". There has been numerous complaints about @Beasty and the switching goalposts modding style. We all like to be right but he makes a crusade out of it. It is about time the people in charge listened.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 55,639 ✭✭✭✭Headshot


    I have disagreed with Beasty sometimes but I fully appreciate that he always replies to my PMs and you cannot say that for other mods on that forum, he has my respect in that sense



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    he hasn’t always responded to all of mine but he does respond to a lot of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,859 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 744 ✭✭✭Dan Steely




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    If there still is no full definition of a link dump yet, maybe we can tag @Flaneur OBrien into this discussion based on their recent thread in Feedback regarding the same concern and with the same moderator?

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    Emmet, there is one common factor involved in pretty much the entire spate of recent complaints across these Help and Feedback forums, and we all know — or rather, everyone but you knows — what that common factor is; and all this is genuine feedback regarding the actions and behaviour of that one common factor, which is continuing to negatively affect the website.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    >but sometimes modifying posting style and habit is fundamentally necessary.

    See, it can be hard to do that when the warnings and responses even just from this very thread alone, are inconsistent and prone to change on a whim when queried.

    Even moreso if it happens to be in a forum where the current moderation response is "get warned, deal with it, tough luck, end of story, no talkback".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,605 ✭✭✭Quantum Erasure


    trying to use revisionist reasoning to prevent the glaring problem with the new system

    You must be new here, that tactic long predates the new rules in CA/IMHO, or the forum itself for that matter.

    I've always found Beasty to be more than fair in his dealings with me, I have to say, but the rules around link dumping at least could be doing with a little tweaking, I got a warning for it and that's fair enough, but I've seen someone warned and banned for backing up a point with a youtube video and a comment along the lines of 'straight from the horses mouth: ' which was a bit much.

    I've still got a feeling that those on the 'left' are more inclined to report posts like that from the other side, while those on the 'right' wouldn't bother/ don't see the need to and any bias in moderation is due to that imbalance

    But I thought the whole point of 'no link dumping' was that posters had to provide context / a summary of what they were linking to back in the day, and not make people have to click a url dumped in the middle of a thread with no context to find out what it was about or if it was relevant at all. These days with embedded tweets and preview links, a quick line or two should be enough, if the link speaks for itself...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,758 ✭✭✭weisses


    I'm confused with the new rule stating . In response to multiple claims that the moderation in CA is too strict, we are going to reduce moderation to a more hands off level.

    I know for a fact this is not the case, posting here for 17 years .. never had a ban and now in w weeks a warning and a ban, warning for telling a Trump supporter he was as smart as the guy he was supporting which should be a compliment to the poster.. this was deemed uncivil, when i pointed out it was more sarcastic it was implied sarcasm was against the rules as well ..... and got banned for saying the Republican party was retarded, keeping in mind the presidential candidate from that party called his opponent retarded.

    To me this does not reflect a more hands off moderating style.

    Can I suggest the mods remove IMHO from the forum .... with these new rules ones honest opinion could get you banned

    ....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,258 ✭✭✭con747


    It might be best if Mods moderated, Cmods made sure it was all moderated correctly and Admins do what Admins do and leave the moderation to the Mods. Why are Admins moderating? Shortage of Mods or just because they have nothing else to do? Genuine question btw.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,175 ✭✭✭Yvonne007


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    In this instance, I seemed to be warned for responding to someone who stated they didn't take my opinion seriously. Seems kind of harsh and undeserving.

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    In this case I got a ban for saying how silly it was for someone to accuse me of hate speech because I said Kamala Harris was a woman of colour. Perhaps my *** off at the end may have warranted a warning.

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    This was rather tame and resulted in a further sanction

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    A 3 day ban for this? When considering how tame the previous sanctions were, I can't see how noting that someone was condescending to me (which they were) is uncivil.

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    Here, someone made a very overtly misogynistic comment about me. Which I reported. Yes perhaps I wasn't very nice about it, but nowhere near uncivil. No idea if he was santioned.

    And for clarity, I was saying to ronjo that Trump was being racist and stupid. It wasn't an attack on ronjo.

    These posts were all in the space of one day, in a quite heated but interesting thread. If common sense was applied, MAYBE one of those posts deserved a warning.

    However ALL these posts were AGES before I received my 1st warning. This meant that no warning was ignored and I had no chance to accept a sanction and tone down my posting style. And because others were posting towards me in a similar style, I didn't feel that I was being uncivil.

    There are moderators (which I have reported) in those threads who are purposely inflaming others to respond in a heated manner which gets the thread shut or the posters they disagree with banned.

    Post edited by Yvonne007 on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭The_Macho_Man


    I just started posting on boards again for the first time since about 2012 and I can’t believe how much has changed.

    Back then the only contentious forum was the Soccer forum, now it seems like the whole site has been infected with sniping, in-fighting, and paranoia. I dunno if it’s Russian bots or what.

    I posted once in the radio forum, the radio forum(!), the other day and one lad immediately started following me around other forums having a go at my other posts. Twelve years ago he would have been sanctioned for being a creep, last week I was told to be civil for telling him to fúck off and stop following me around.

    The site has changed a lot and it’s obvious that it needs more moderators to crack the whip. Too many indians and not enough cowboys, if ya get me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 340 ✭✭ElitesTeam


    I got a warning off Beasty for a "link dump" of a snl skit of kamala harris yet other post meme and **** all day long as long as its anti trump "link dumps" are fine. He is modding based on his political leaning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,792 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    There's almost no moderation in the Radio forum anymore. The only recent time that I've seen any action taken was during the Eoghan McDermott stuff and that required an admin to step in and threaten to close the whole forum. The place is an absolute cesspit.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,395 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    That's BS.

    I also got a warning for a "link dump".

    Beasty doesn't mod on their political leanings, they're just sick of modding and it's very, very obvious. They probably feel some sense of duty to the site as without mods, it dies. I was a mod here from 2001 until the site swung from the nice place it used to be as modding got less strict.

    Now, I don't know wtf it is.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,341 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Not much wonder there are no mods.

    Who would seriously bother, when all they get is this type of abuse.



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