Dispute with mod

Frank Bullitt

I’ll cut to the chase here.

I feel I am unfairly being targeted by @Beasty in the Current Affairs forum. I have received my second 3 day ban in 2 weeks for a comment they deem to be “uncivil” and it was nothing of the sort. No idea how to resolve this but this has to stop, I am not a troll and partake in discussion. I have received warnings for more egregious comments but this recent one is not even close.

Eager to get a resolution to this and to stop this carry on.

Spear

Moved to Helpdesk instead, as this is a broader complaint, and DRP only covers specific warnings and bans (or not in the case of CA).

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122730785#Comment_122730785

sorry about that.

Hope to get a proper resolution soon, and please don’t just lock this thread like the last time I asked a question. I would prefer a proper discussion

Real Donald Trump

Same here banned 2 times on a row for a so called link dump, while other posters are constantly doing this.

Define a link dump? Or is it you just disagree with the poster on certain issues and abuse your power?

Frank Bullitt

Seems I am not the only one then.

Can we come to some sort of resolution here, and not uneven bans or warnings handed out with no definition.

Frank Bullitt

For the record, this is the post I was banned for. The ban is very heavy handed.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122730834#Comment_122730834

It certainly is - and very odd, given that I was told by a poster that I was "white knighting on the internet" and had no interest in the topic being discussed except in the service of my own agenda, and I got a 24 hour ban (again from Beasty) for mentioning the comment (to disagree with it) - a comment that was made about me!

So he's allowed to say that I don't care - unlike you! - and I'm not even allowed to say he's wrong.

(I'm currently banned from the forum so can't see if the original comment about me is still visible - but I bet it is.)

User567363

A very sensible rule would be a time limit on all mods, so they can mod for 2 or 3 years and then they have to take a year or 2 off, a lot of clubs and societies have that rule and it keeps them fresh, and it would allow the mods to make a healthier life outside of this site

boards.ie was the best site in Ireland until about 15 years ago, now I'd be too embarrassed to tell a real world person that I still look at it

EmmetSpiceland

Jeez, here we go. Was impressed with how quiet it has been in here and in “Dispute Resolution”. Mostly just been, multiple, users looking for regional forum access. And people, continuously, say the site is dead?!

Wasn’t there a load of new rules set up for CA after a load of you complained about it? The vocal minority got their way and now that it’s not working out how they like it’s time to attack the mods…again.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731109#Comment_122731109

My understanding was the new rules were set up to stop re-reg users spamming the place.

This has nothing to do with that.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731109#Comment_122731109

Here we go, Mr SJW himself, like clockwork, you gunning for a moderator position or something?

How about leaving it to posters who have disputes with a mod on certain issues and keeping out of it.

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Warned: Backseat modding

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731122#Comment_122731122

There is a simple solution to your “problem”, change your posting style. Mods can’t sanction you if you don’t give them any reason to.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731135#Comment_122731135

And you think it’s the mod, or admins, who are the problem?

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731138#Comment_122731138

Thank you for the advice that I didn't ask for.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731144#Comment_122731144

Thank you for your valuable input

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731093#Comment_122731093

That's a very good point. Term limits. I'm sure most would be on board with that. Long as they are balanced. That's what the issue is here, they are not, and haven't been for a long time.

Frank Bullitt

I don't want this to go off topic, I am hoping for a proper resolution, not suggestions to change my posting style. They are words, not clothes.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731148#Comment_122731148

What are you doing starting a public thread then? Is it just to have a whinge?

Rows Grower

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731138#Comment_122731138

Did you get many sanctions yourself emmet?

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Warned: Offtopic.

Frank Bullitt

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731180#Comment_122731180

You are just dragging this off topic, for what I do not know.

No one asked you to post, you did that on your own. I am very clear what the topic is about, it is not hard to follow.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731199#Comment_122731199

Same here, I've had similar issue with the mod in question, I was going to start a thread on here, but you beat me to it, so I figured why not use the same one to try and resolve the issue.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731181#Comment_122731181

None active, right now. I’ve racked up a few in my time. Some warranted, some I felt were “harsh”. Would PM the mod on those occasions.

I will say this, I’ve never had the “prison bars” on my avatar. That’s never a good look.

You might feel a mod is “after you” but, really, you’ve just put yourself on the radar and you’re continuing on with the same posting style. Not you, personally, I mean in a general user sense.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731198#Comment_122731198

This is a public discussion on a message board site.

The OP said “Eager to get a resolution to this and to stop this carry on.” as such, I suggested a way to stop the carry on.

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731236#Comment_122731236

PM the mods then. No egos here, just a regular “concerned user” offering a suggestion. You don’t have to take it.

But, as I’ve stated previously, things aren’t going to change unless you do, yourself.

JP Liz V1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122730799#Comment_122730799

Yes a full definition of "link dumping" would be appropriate

I received a warning and 1 day ban for it, but I see that others can do the same and get away with it, a fair balance for all should apply

If proof or facts are requested, a "link dump" should be allowed without a full essay explanation imho

EmmetSpiceland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731249#Comment_122731249

Offering a suggestion is hardly any kind of “moderation”. Maybe if I’d typed it out in bold and told the user what to do but that’s not the case, clearly.

Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122730799#Comment_122730799

You should have been banned for your misleading username Fake Donald

howdydoo83

Never a good look? What on earth am I reading....

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731249#Comment_122731249

Different rule for others I guess, whole problem with this forum imo.

reclose

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731180#Comment_122731180

what a tosser.

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Warned: Uncivil

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731198#Comment_122731198

It didn't concern you either?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122730799#Comment_122730799

I've also been previously banned for link dumps and/or breaking special stipulations in the election thread so no you're evidently not being specially targeted for bias or any other conspiracy theory. In fact you'll see a bit of a ban-wave around the timing of that post, all of people I'm reasonably certain you'd disagree with politically.

Not saying I was very happy with the ruling but lets dispel the myth its being applied with an abuse of bias.

And term limits? Boards is not a democracy.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731299#Comment_122731299

Mr spam artist himself ofc has to have his say.

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Warned: Offtopic, attacking the poster

scottser

This place is not important. Ultimately it needs our input in order to be relevant and interesting so they need us more than we need them. After all, these are only opinions and it is pointless getting upset about them. If your opinion offends someone like Beasty enough to ban you then you're probably doing something right.

Don't sweat it.

reclose

m.

Jim_Hodge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731372#Comment_122731372

Genuine question: Who does this thread concern? Is it just a vehicle for posts between the OP and Admins? If so, why did you and others post? It just seems odd.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731372#Comment_122731372

you’re making the point of mine thank you.

everlast75

I received a warning for a link dump, which wasn't a link. I pointed this out - it was accepted by Beasty that he got it wrong.

However, he didn't uplift the ban, but merely changed the reason to say I shouldn't be posting a screen grab.

Recently, I got a week ban for calling trump a rapist. I didn't. I called him a racist.

Again, when I pointed this out, he accepted he got it wrong.

However, he didn't but uplift the ban but merely changed the reason for a second time , claiming that my post didn't fit with the tone he wanted for the thread.

This is patently unfair.

I think a mod should be able to not only accept when they got it wrong, but they also change their ruling according rather than remain intransigent.

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731384#Comment_122731384

Sorry but how childish and immature is this

It's basically the equivalent of a child saying I know you are but what am I

Headshot

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731385#Comment_122731385

Looks like targeting to me

If I don't get you one way, ill get you another way

nullzero

Seems like some additional clarification is required on;

1, what the bounds of civility are.

2, when posting a link is considered a link dump and when it isn't.

Clarification of these issues would seem to be a course to less moderator action being required going forward. That's a win for users and moderators.

Solutions are achievable, often without much effort being required it would seem.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731409#Comment_122731409

No. The point being demonstrated is that Emmett was only being bullied against posting in the thread for holding a contradicting view. Cleary you nor Real actually have a basis for suggesting this was nobody else’s business besides OP.

nullzero

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731449#Comment_122731449

Bullied?

His initial contribution was to guffaw at the OP even opening this thread, he went on to be openly insulting and abusive to the OP and others.

His "solution" was to opine that the OP change their posting style rather than consider the position being put forward by the OP.

There's clearly room for improvement on communication of some parameters in CA which isn't a massive ask and would reduce the number of reported posts and bans handed out, ie a smoother running forum.

Just because some rules changes were recently implemented doesn't mean that there aren't issues to be addressed any more.

People should be entitled to express their opinions without being piled on by trolls who have nothing constructive to offer in response.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731433#Comment_122731433

using 0 point warnings for clarifications can be helpful I agree rules should be very clearly lain out. Link dump has been vague and has applied to things that are not links, eg videos and even images. The rule should be suitably clarified to get across the scope and purpose.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731467#Comment_122731467

but sometimes modifying posting style and habit is fundamentally necessary. That’s part of the lesser friction forum objective. It should not be shut down out of hand. Calling the suggestion trolling is itself not constructive. In the OP for example the post under dispute can be viewed as uncivil IMHO 🤷🏻‍♂️ (no offense, Frankie) if I called you pal and told you to stop pretending you care about this topic Nullzero I have no doubts you would be flagging my post hoping to see mod punishment taken against me. I can also see your perspective that Emmet might be considered bullying the OP into not starting the thread and belittling its purposes.

Definitely agree with you there’s room for improvement. When the rules came in there was no 0 point warnings or any breaking in period, the breaking in period was applying bans and applying them often. I think I even told one user via PM: while I disagreed with a user vehemently I saw being banned, I also witnessed something of a murder because several of their posts were warned in succession, building the user up to a lengthy mid-tier, months long ban in one fell swoop, and I didn’t assume that was necessarily the point of the new ban escalation structure, though the mods clearly have some discretion to deal harshly with eg. Rereges.

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731420#Comment_122731420

idk if it’s targeting but I believe it’s trying to use revisionist reasoning to prevent the glaring problem with the new system: if they start reversing bans by admitting a mistake occurred, then the new system is broken because bans are once again able to be disputed.

Dan Steely

Boards will take this system and style of moderation to its grave, or vice versa. The owner is beholden to this/them. There isn't the commitment or money for any more change. This is it now.

The feedback forum is for optics only now. They closed it before but had to backtrack. Were It to be closed now I don't think there would be much pushback.

CrazyEric

I had a very similar issue with the same Mod. He accused me of calling someone a re-reg and when I respectfully pointed out that the poster he was referring to only made their first post 2 hours after my comment so it was impossible then it became a case of " being uncivil" when I pointed out again that that wasn't possible because the poster hadn't yet joined Boards it became a case of I was trying to Dox someone by comparing posting styles on 2 anonymous forums.

Boards is dying and as someone who was here posting from 2005 I have to say "good enough for them". There has been numerous complaints about @Beasty and the switching goalposts modding style. We all like to be right but he makes a crusade out of it. It is about time the people in charge listened.

Headshot

I have disagreed with Beasty sometimes but I fully appreciate that he always replies to my PMs and you cannot say that for other mods on that forum, he has my respect in that sense

Overheal

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731561#Comment_122731561

he hasn’t always responded to all of mine but he does respond to a lot of them.

Real Donald Trump

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731561#Comment_122731561

I'll give him that

Dan Steely

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731561#Comment_122731561

How far the bar has fallen.

TheChrisD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122730799#Comment_122730799

If there still is no full definition of a link dump yet, maybe we can tag @Flaneur OBrien into this discussion based on their recent thread in Feedback regarding the same concern and with the same moderator?

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058374885/ca-rules-are-a-joke-at-this-stage

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https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122731109#Comment_122731109

Emmet, there is one common factor involved in pretty much the entire spate of recent complaints across these Help and Feedback forums, and we all know — or rather, everyone but you knows — what that common factor is; and all this is genuine feedback regarding the actions and behaviour of that one common factor, which is continuing to negatively affect the website.