Dispute with mod

advisemerite

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122732205#Comment_122732205

He/She is 100% definitely modding based on their political leaning. I got a warning for calling Harris, Kinky Kamala lmao. Yet left leaning posters call Trump a rapist and orange man and such and no warnings. Boards is dying and good for it. Moderators like @Beasty is helping it die.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736029#Comment_122736029

This is simply false. Posters on both sides have been sanctioned including one for calling adjudicated rapist Trump 'rapey Don'.

The mod warning in the Harris v Trump thread specifically warns against derogatory nicknames.

On the Trump specific thread the fact of being Trump a rapist can be openly discussed.

There are obviously capacity issues with CA modding, and I have reservations about some of the new CA rules and the ground rules for that thread - but it is clear from those ground rules that the modding basis is politically neutral. If anything you could argue the ground rules are in favour of Trump.

ZedCar

What baffles me is the amount of people living in Ireland are so passionate about American politics

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736036#Comment_122736036

It has the potential to impact Ireland significantly as much as our own election. It is also very dramatic! Such aspects were recently discussed on the Trump CA thread so I wont digress further here.

The election thread does seem to account for a significant number of reports and that may increase as election date draws closer. I have suggested consideration be given to moving it to Politics.

Or perhaps an existing mod from AH or Politics could be deputised purely to cover eg US politics threads in CA for thst period.

Boggles

Site has been Bot Flooded.

Shred the hamster!!

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736084#Comment_122736084

We need a mod bot!

The_Macho_Man

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122735803#Comment_122735803

I started reading and posting again for the first time recently since about 2012 and I couldn’t disagree more: the lunatics very much have taken over the asylum on boards.ie.

TheChrisD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736084#Comment_122736084

It's funny. The places you don't want mods doing anything, they're all over the shop; yet the place you do want or most expect there to be a mod doing stuff, they're almost never present...

Big Bag of Chips

We're dealing with a lot of spam at the moment but I'll clarify the "link dumping" question. Although the fact that we have to makes me think some of you are just plain trolling or looking for loopholes.

It is a discussion site. A site for discussion. Posting a link, a photo, a screenshot, an image, a video without any discussion comes under the heading "link dumping" it's shorthand for "link, photo, video, screenshot dumping".

If you are going to post a photo, a link, a video then discuss the content and why you're posting it. One liner "this is good" "she's proving her point here" etc is not discussion. It tells the reader of the thread nothing about the content or what you are adding to the discussion.

People shouldn't have to click to read a link, or a view a video if they don't want to. The flow of the discussion should be enough to follow with any links, videos etc supporting your posts.

Can I also say it is always the same people arguing the same points. This is a free site run by volunteers. You're presence here is entirely voluntary. Nobody is forcing you to post in a place that you find so sht! If you don't like it feel free to go elsewhere. If you wish to stay active members making some sort of constructive input then just get on with it. If you find yourself getting worked up log off for a day rather than taking a swipe at someone. Most people manage to avoid any moderator actions at all.

Rooks

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736036#Comment_122736036

I especially find it funny when these same people know absolutely nothing about Irish or European politics.

Hellrazer

You all need to stop the Beasty Bashing. The amount of time and work that goes into moderating the CA forum is huge and posters cant see what goes on behind the scenes so to speak.

There are literally hundreds of reported posts every day and CA is a huge chunk of those reported posts.

Beasty and his other mods have a lot on their plates and its unfair to single Beasty out.

And Im saying this as someone who has just served a 4 day ban for the first time in 23 years on boards doled out by Beasty.

While I didnt agree with the ban and questioned it the right way by Pming Beasty he took the time and effort out of his busy moderating to pm me back which I appreciated.

I broke the rules and served my ban and got on with it and if more users just did that the place would be much better.

TheChrisD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736142#Comment_122736142

But Chips, the internet has changed since the early days of this forum. Especially now on Vanilla where the links themselves auto-embed into rich previews, or interactable tweets, or video playback containers. Context is sometimes plainly obvious just from looking at the embed.

Yet from the sounds of things, people are getting dinged for adding relevant media where the context is potentially obvious to the readers and discussers of a topic; and I believe that is the primary point of contention for the main OP of this and the other Feedback thread.

EDIT: okay, not necessarily OP of this thread, but there have definitely been some users chiming in about getting called link dumpers.

Big Bag of Chips

It's a discussion site Chris. Discuss what you're posting. It really isn't that difficult.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736142#Comment_122736142

Once a tweet with a video is embedded with information on the video it contains, it's still not enough to say, "I liked this", knowing people will read the summation of the video in the tweet?

You want us to copy paste the summation for om twitter for some arbitrary reason?

I get that while posting a YouTube clip that doesn't have the same information given as a tweet would, and you just said, "I liked this", that would definitely be a link dump.

It just doesn't make sense to have the same rule for YouTube (which gives no description) and an embedded twitter link (that provides a description)

I get that you want people to discuss it, but an embedded tweet, with the description of what's happening in the video also provokes discussion.

TheChrisD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736154#Comment_122736154

Discussion can happen even with external media. Sometimes people might have media that is relevant to the topic and conversation at hand that can aid the discussion of other people, without having an input on it themselves.

If this is the concern area, then perhaps the concept of what you as admins/mods consider link dumping needs to be written down into the forum charters — because I believe most people would consider it to mean "posting completely unrelated or irrelevant links/media solely for the purposes of gathering clicks and/or views"

Big Bag of Chips

It's a discussion site. If you want to post endless links, tweets, photos without discussing what and why I'm sure there are other sites that will happily accommodate you.

There are threads in various forums on Boards.ie for links and videos that specifically ask for "NO CHAT". If that's how you want to post, then off you pop to those threads.

CA is a discussion forum. You are expected to discuss.

The_Macho_Man

I have to agree with BIG BAG OF CHIPS. Someone dropping a link to a video with the equivalent of “watch and analyse” is obnoxious.

If someone has an idea they want to talk about or share they can articulate it through text in their opening post, not give people bloody homework.

Flaneur OBrien

I got warned for this as a link dump:

I enjoyed this quite a lot.

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1846679371832013114/mediaViewer?currentTweet=1846679371832013114&currentTweetUser=atrupar

(Embedded video of Harris taking down Brett Baier as we had been discussing)

Might actually watch the full thing. She didn't put up with any sh*t here. Fair play to her.

And this is in the Harris/trump thread where there had been several comments about the Fox interview, but no one had uploaded any video yet.

This was a link that flowed naturally in the conversation, not dumped. So yes, I'm annoyed I was warned for it.

Why not just ban all links? Make your lives that much easier and hasten the death of boards.ie even more?

TheChrisD

I'd post the "taking to a brick wall" or the "Seymour Skinner no it's the children that are wrong" GIF here, but I feel that I would get warned for link dumping for not offering an essay on the construction of the wall, or for not discussing the methods of how a meme converts what would otherwise be a long and windy piece of text into something most people can understand at an immediate glance.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736186#Comment_122736186

Context of embedded media always matters. It's not always "homework" if it's of interest to the topic at hand.

Also isn't there supposed to be a minimum post count and account age before being allowed to contribute to this forum?

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736188#Comment_122736188

Reading I have no idea what the link was about. What she was talking about. What you enjoyed. What your own opinion on what someone else thinks is.

So, you were warned correctly for link dumping. Now you know what not to do you should be able to avoid a warning for similar in the future.

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736195#Comment_122736195

Posting links or memes as replies is banned is this forum. So if you did you would be forum banned.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736204#Comment_122736204

So you were reading a thread about the US election which had a back and forth of about 10-20 posts about Harris being interviewed on Fox, and someone posts up a tweet which said in the embed, "Harris takes Baier DOWN!!!" The poster says they enjoyed this and it may make them watch the full interview as she didn't take any sh*t from him.

And you're telling us here, you would have no idea what the video would be about?

Know what?

(Insert Anchorman, "I don't believe you" gif.)

uptherebels

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736195#Comment_122736195

Why are you unable to grasp the discussion part?

ancapailldorcha

I honestly can't believe that something like link dumping needs to be explained but here we are. Link dumping is just the lazy pasting, or dumping, of links which add nothing to the discussion.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736188#Comment_122736188

That would constitute a dump IMO. If that were in Politics, I'd have issued a warning and deleted the post at the very least. If people just want to paste links, there's always the meme dump thread and Reddit.

Big Bag of Chips

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736218#Comment_122736218

I don't care whether you believe me. You know the rules.

I'll spell it out for the hard of reading

IT-IS-A-DISCUSSION-SITE

If you don't like the rules you are free to go elsewhere.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736233#Comment_122736233

If it was politics, absolutely. I always thought CA was meant to be more lax than that.

It's a joke that a link delivered in the context of a running thread can be constituted as dumping.

If I could show you the context, I would, but as it was deleted, I can't.

To me link dumping is:

You should watch this:

(Random 2 hour YouTube link)

Link dumping is NOT what I did, given the context.

I can't believe it's 2024 and people can't judge in context.

Flaneur OBrien

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736235#Comment_122736235

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TheChrisD

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736204#Comment_122736204

Genuine feedback here: that sounds like poor moderation. Did you investigate the contents of the link? Read surrounding posts to understand the context, given the thread in question? Or were you simply presented with the post by itself as a singular entity? I definitely don't get this need to have an opinion on media that is relevant to a topic at hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736213#Comment_122736213

It seems that we are both getting mixed up as now we have both quoted rules from the Feedback charter, which do not exist in the Help Desk charter.

Unless the Feedback charter is also included in the Help Desk charter, in which case there are some contributions to this thread which should not have been permitted.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736220#Comment_122736220

Discussion is never solely text between two or more individuals. There will always be additional sources or news to back up discussions. In this current world of mixed media it should almost be expected.

Additionally, the definition of a link dump is something that is contentious as it appears to differ between the admins of the site and the users. Whether this is down to age, or level of internet-savvy, who knows.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736235#Comment_122736235

And receiving feedback in a condescending and disparaging manner such as this is why users are leaving the site in droves, and new users are not showing up.

Well, new users that aren't spambots, that is

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122736239#Comment_122736239

It's a linkdump and there was a warning in the OP. That's the context.

The_Macho_Man

BIG BAG OF CHIPS and ANCAPAILLDORCHA are both batting a thousand today, as they say in the United States. Link dumpers showing examples of how they dump links with no real discussion have pie all over their face.

The site clearly needs more moderators, though, to help BEASTY out.

Incidentally I reported a defamatory post in the Radio forum last night that really should be deleted before it’s seen by the person it refers to. It has the potential to be extremely libellous.