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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    WiFi calling is an optional feature, it may be useful abroad to avoid very high roaming charges, assuming you can get it to work on a free WiFi service. It's really just another version of WhatsApp voice calling which is fairly universal, though not totally reliable.

    VoLTE on the other hand is 4G voice calling, it's what you pay for when you sign up to a 4G network. I think when roaming abroad on Vodafone my handset never left the 4g+ connection, and calls made to and received from home were of exceptional quality. I don't understand why we are degraded to the now prehistoric 2G layer. It does look like we were only let in to 4G for the data. I'm going to look for a new Sim, and if that doesn't work, I'll consider changing provider.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭babelfish1990


    It's a reasonable argument that VoLTE is an essential requirement when 3G is switched off. However, I would take issue with your suggestion that WiFi Calling is simply a discretionary add-on like WhatsApp. WhatsApp is fine for social person-to-person calls. However, you cannot generally phone or receive calls from GP practices, Hospitals, Banks etc using WhatsApp. Many services also use traditional SMS(not RCS) for 2-factor authentication, and Vodafone & 3 don't support SMS over WiFi Calling. Only Eir & GoMo support SMS. When homes are built or retrofitted to current building regulations (eg BER A1), they often lose traditional mobile coverage, at least in some rooms due to foil-backed insulation and reflective glazing. WiFi Calling is essential for dealing with these blackspots. It is going to become a more widespread issue as the housing stock is upgraded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Ten Pin


    Why are networks reinventing the wheel (with WiFi and 4G calling) when SIP/VOIP apps work well on most smartphones. They already have SIP/VOIP on fixed line phone numbers so they would just need to provide a front end app for smartphones to implement it for mobile numbers.

    Feature phones will use 2G for calls anyway so no change required there for continued coverage when 3G ends.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Foil is a problem ok. WiFi calling would be nice,but not much use if you're on the move, in an actual blackspot, not an artificial one.

    Landline Voip is great if your landline allows remote access over WiFi. I did have some luck using voip apps to remote connect to my landline voip on my home router. The router has its own app (Fritzfone) which enables my mobile as a landline handset, but only within my local WiFi. I can however open a VPN back to the router when out or abroad, over WiFi, and make/receive landline calls from anywhere.

    None of this however will give actual mobile number access, if someone rings my mobile no. It's a different matter, and I've had mobile calls during voip landline calls using my mobile phone. 4g voice is just voip by another name, but associated with a mobile no. It should be the default. Right now I'm in Tallaght, I tested there calling voucemail, and on my Sim status, my voice option was GSM, data was Gprs,(2G), no LTE despite 5 bars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭KildareP


    They're not reinventing anything. LTE (4G onwards) was a natural progression towards packet switched networks but had to maintain inter-operability with previous 2G and 3G technology which is circuit switched.

    That's the beauty of VoLTE and WiFi Calling - the app is your existing phone dialler but you don't need to care what sort of signal you have at any given time, whether your phone has an active data connection or not, and you don't even need a mobile signal if you've WiFi. Just make a call as you've always done and the network figures the technicalities of it out. Try make a call on WhatsApp in a 2G rural area for comparison.

    Besides the fact that a standalone app still needs a backend to communicate with - in a VoIP provider it's a SIP server, in an LTE network it's an IMS.

    There is nothing to stop an MVNO deploying their own IMS - many UK MVNO's do so - only the costs associated with implementing and ongoing support. Therein lies the problem here - all of the MVNO's operating here compete solely on cost, have a comparatively tiny subscriber base, and are operated on an absolute shoestring. As a result ancillary services like premium SMS, VoLTE, WiFi Calling, roaming, eSIM largely don't exist, or where they do, generally don't work as well as on a native network.

    That's unlikely to ever change to be honest so if you want a "proper" mobile service you're going to have to go with one of the three main operators and pay the premium. There is absolutely no chance an MVNO would implement a SIP-based calling solution using an app any more than they have largely avoided implementing an IMS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,772 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    You don't have to pay premium. Gomo is also 15 and you get wifi calling, volte, 5G (admittedly not a major benefit over 4G) etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33 SalthillHead


    Twice in the last couple of weeks my data stopped working. I went into settings and postmobile in mobile network/apn was unselected. Anyone else have this/ideas why it would happen?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭babelfish1990


    If you are in a position to bundle with broadband/TV, you can also get Eir Sim-only for €9.99pm including WiFi Calling, VoLTE & 5G, even cheaper than GoMo.

    Regarding the re-invention of SIP calling - I would agree with the excellent points made by KildareP. One scenario where SIP calling is complementary to mobile is on a work phone, where the employee uses a SIP client to login the the corporate PBX when off-site, making and taking work calls on their office extension via their mobile. This is the standard approach taken by most corporate enterprises to allow remote access their office landline systems, while also allowing employees to partition their personal use of the phone using the mobile number. Mobile numbers have become the defacto standard for person-to-person social communication, while landline numbers still have an important role for enterprises and call-centres. WiFi Calling and SIP Clients ensure that both scenarios work well over WiFi, when required.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,332 ✭✭✭SeanW


    Thanks everyone, I've got some useful information here. I visited the US last year, and for some long and boring reasons, I had to get a local sim (T-Mobile) and rely heavily on both WiFi calling and VoLTE, both of which were just included without me even noticing, per se.

    That's why I kind of assumed that both services were, or should be, commonplace. As to tethering and hotspots, I still think APM is blocking that because I remember trying the sim card in an older phone I had lying around and it didn't work with that either.

    I guess if I ever need a phone service that has all this, I can just switch to Eir or GoMo.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭babelfish1990


    In my experience outdoor blackspots are extremely rare these days. Most blackspots are indoors in well insulated buildings. I appreciate this might be different on Vodafone/An Post since 3G switch-off - but Vodafone's outdoor coverage before this was also excellent. WiFi calling is the best solution for indoor coverage blackspots, and unlike WhatsApp does give full access to standard mobile numbers for both incoming and outgoing calls (and texts, if implemented properly). An interesting alternative for outdoor blackspots is Starlink "Direct to Cell". Starlink have started putting mobile base-stations in their newer satellites. They use standard 4G technology, so this works with normal mobile phones, and no need for a proprietary satellite phone. Your operator just has to have a roaming agreement with Starlink. Salt Mobile in Switzerland is the first European mobile operator to partner with Starlink. This will guarantee virtually 100% coverage worldwide.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    I see an post now have international minutes add on €5 for 100min. I presume not time limited. When abroad, you can use your roaming minutes to ring your friends and family with you, who are also roaming. You can't mobiles in the visited country, but I noticed when roamingin Netherlands I could ring local land lines from my roaming mobile by dialling the number as a local, without international access codes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,160 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Ignore that I got it working...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,772 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    How is PM nowadays? Specifically data speeds?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Shyte. Turned off WiFi and tried it there, 4g on the the indicator, but only 5.6 Mbs after three attempts, the third after letting Rteplayer run for 5 minutes to 'clean the pipes.' Player needs a minimum of 2MB/s. B normally means Byte, so 2MBs would be 16 Mbs, which seems high so perhaps they mean 2Mbs. Speed test upped to 5.6 Mbs after player ran, with no glitches.

    Screenshot_20240723-132911_Speedtest.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,160 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    I left it but the OH is still on it. Got around 80 download when I was setting up their phone last night. They don't seem to have any issues. But they always had a better speeds and coverage than I did.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Ten Pin


    AP now have a 12.99 plan with 50GB and 500 mins but only AP SMS.

    Note that 12.99 manual top up lasts 28 days while Auto Top up is needed to get 31 days but minimum auto top up is €15 of which €2.01 is general credit.

    Might suit some people but IMO it's a bit misleading for AP to say it's 12.99 per month when they won't facilitate that amount in their auto top up system.

    https://www.anpost.com/Mobile/12-99-Plan

    https://www.anpost.com/Shop/Products/Post-Mobile-Products/Keep-Number-12-99

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,772 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    With sky launching today, it is making AP seem irrelevant if you want a cheaper alternative on the VF network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Seen the ad earlier. Must look up the details.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,772 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    Looks decent, unlimited (with no fup), free calls and texts and unlimited roaming in EU/uk. 15 a month



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Will it use 4G for calls? Not like AP who have degraded to 2G, which cuts your 4G data during calls.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 62 ✭✭vapourer




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    The information online is sparse. On 5G, it says, "we are also 5g ready if you are, available across the Republic.." I haven't found a link to detailed terms. They also have a €10 10GB plan, which I assume is 10GB/month, though a 12 month commitment is required. There is reference also to saving your unused data, which is good news, as it was always annoying on low data plans to lose Gb through inactivity one month only to run short the next. Finally, they support eSims. As this technology is becoming available as a adapter, an actual sim card, it would be useful have one for those who wish to purchase cheap call and data plans abroad for holidays, which you can load in advance on an eSim, but that's another discussion..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,772 ✭✭✭✭TheDriver


    5G is included, as long as you have a handset.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,160 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Don't know why an post mobile still exists tbh. No reason to choose it over others at this point. Hasn't been for a while.

    That is sits on vf isn't an incentive given the poor experience. They must get low priority on the vf network.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    They only get 2G for calls, 4G is only for Data. The closure of VF 3G has left them up the creek. They obviously won't pay for calls over LTE/4G. 2G can't support data on a call. If you're on the move, using Waze or Google maps, Spotify or Tunein radio tethered off your phone, it dissappear when a 2G call is made or received, notwithstanding that media audio will be muted if you're using the cars Bluetooth or android auto/carplay Many just mount their phone on a stand on loudspeaker and voice control. Even when you're connected to 4G, it can take minutes to wake up the routing via Malta for a connection, sometimes longer. I've sat in a parked car in the City centre with full bars on 4G, and could not get response to a Google maps enquiry, or bring up a website to get an address, for over 15 minutes. The irony is when abroad, and EU roaming, you get the full Vodafone service, no holds barred.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    As Sky are offering eSim loading, for those with eSim phones or looking for information on it, thus is a good start,

    https://www.androidauthority.com/esim-adapter-android-phone-3480601/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    This too.

    https://m.independent.ie/business/technology/over-300000-people-overpay-for-phone-bills-says-sky-as-it-launches-new-mobile-phone-service-in-ireland/a2087821783.html



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,642 ✭✭✭deezell


    Changed to Sky. 5G but Data speed dissapointing in my 'fair' reception area. 2G on calls still an issue, and the VoLte 4g calls toggle disappeared with the Sky sim, not that it worked with AnPost. I upgraded my phone to an unlocked 5G S21 former Three network. I now read that Sky may not supply 4G calling to certain existing phones, which will in all cases be from another carrier. They even detail the steps needed to turn on VoLte and WiFi calling on iPhones, so it should be there for Android. From digging, and reading Sky UK posts, it seems that a thing called phone 'whitelisting' exists, with carrier blocks on features even if the phone is sim free or unlocked. I assume they want to sell you a phone as well to ensure 4g features work. I'm not much better off, data is flakey, only ping times improved. I'm also locked in for 12 months, unless I invoke cooling down within the next day or so. It's ironic that the very first post in the Sky mobile Ireland community forum was a complaint about no VoLte in a VoLte enabled phone, meaning 2G calling and no Data during calls. If you WFH using your mobile for calls while hotspotted to your laptop, you'd be rightly shagged if the boss rings and wants to discuss stuff on your now disconnected PC.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 729 ✭✭✭babelfish1990


    Bail out while you have a chance, or you will regret it. Vodafone no longer have the best network coverage, since they have turned off 3G without building out 4G/5G to replace it. (Their 3G coverage was excellent). Check Comreg's coverage comparison tool to see which networks have good 4G/5G in your area. (Not their site viewer tool, which is not up to date). Around where I live, Eir/GoMo beats the pants off the other networks - they have added two 5G base stations within 250m on each side, while Vodafone & Three are over 1km away. However, each area is different, so you need to check the coverage maps or get a test SIM. Eir also has the best WiFi Calling, and Volte, so most handsets should work, unlike the problems you are having (although you need to test this, just in case). Go for a SIM-only plan with 30-day commitment, so you can change - don't get locked in for 12 months. Eir €9.99pm unlimited everything if you add a SIM to a broadband bundle, or GoMo €14.99pm standalone.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,726 ✭✭✭celtic_oz


    Trying to port an an post SIM to Vodafone to take advantage of €100 discount. Error on the port says on the Vodafone network which is correct ..but still I should be able to port away . Is there a way round this?



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