Advertisement
If you have a new account but are having problems posting or verifying your account, please email us on hello@boards.ie for help. Thanks :)
Hello all! Please ensure that you are posting a new thread or question in the appropriate forum. The Feedback forum is overwhelmed with questions that are having to be moved elsewhere. If you need help to verify your account contact hello@boards.ie

So UFOs aren't a theory anymore - but we still don't know what they are

14041424345

Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Well now that the info is all out in the open, I'm sure like a responsible professional he will acknowledge the mistakes on his behalf, the sources of the unsubstantiated hearsay and admit to the failings. There's no way he will ignore this report that shatters all his "whistle-blowing" and double down on all this alien stuff, not a chance..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    AARO report on the project KONA Blue that was proposed, pages 18 and 28 have some real good stuff.

    https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDFs/UAP_RECORDS_RESEARCH/AARO_DHS_Kona_Blue.pdf



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    The US government has always denied the existence of UFOs.

    In reality they have taken the UFOs and the alien bodies from the Roswell incident in New Mexico to the Area 51.

    They are keeping the dead alien bodies in the hangars of the Area 51 and are using the UFOs for experimental test flights on the Area 51.

    That's probably the most common conspiracy theory on UFOs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,344 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    And a plot point of Hollywood blockbuser… Independence Day.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,990 ✭✭✭tinytobe


    Adolf Hitler is alive and fled via Argentina to Chile.

    Elvis and Lady Diana are still alive and are hiding somewhere.

    The US never really landed on the moon.

    The pyramids were built by aliens.

    The earth is flat.

    Lot's of subjects to write books about and do movies.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    And all as fictitious as Roswell.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭lumphammer2


    Did anyone read this

    https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/techandscience/ufo-mystery-may-be-result-of-advanced-stealth-civilization-on-earth/ss-BB1o55pA?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ASTS&cvid=d760548a6d52405394a8ef756d46788a&ei=7#image=10

    The latest on the UFO theory is it is another civilisation underground …. or our descendants coming back from the future to visit …

    Okay I believe aliens do exist …. way too many stars with way too many planets around them so it is crazy to think we are the only ones …. but it is likely they cannot visit us any more than we can visit them …. life may be totally different …. less advanced …. the same …. more advanced …. but not advanced enough to travel here ….

    I do not believe there is an underground or underwater UFO civilisation …. lots of undiscovered worms and fish probably ….

    More likely explanation of UFOs are Russia spying on the USA and USA spying on Russia …. it gives it away that USA and Russia are the 2 most common UFO witness countries !!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    After years of promises of disclosure all we have is speculative fiction along the lines of Lovecraft.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I had a family friend, no longer with us, who was a US Air Force pilot flying the earliest US jet fighters. He told me once when he helped another fighter jet in trouble, he guided it to a secret military base using the wings of his own jet to help it stay airborne and on course. It wasn't Area 51 but another secret military base. He was sworn to secrecy for what he saw during his short stay there. He said he saw parts of what he believed to be aircraft that looked like it was not made of this world.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    was it near Area 51 do you know? There are supposed to be a few secret bases in that general area known as Groom Lake



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    Did he ever describe in detail what he saw that day? What general era are we talking?

    For example - let’s say it was early 80s and he saw a prototype version of the stealth bomber - wow - it would seem out of this world wouldn’t it?

    But it was simply a black ops hush hush project the average Joe’s were kept well away from and even told they were UFOs until they were unveiled.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    ….



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,801 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Apparently, anti-gravity via EM manipulation has been accomplished 🤨

    I don't know enough about the physics of this to comment as to the quality of the experiment or the veracity of the results.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    I'll keep my feet on the ground for the time being.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A read of his twitter feed is a big hint of how serious you should take him.

    image.png


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Wow. Just reinforces my pet theory that social media is more harmful to grown ups than children.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,777 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    I always believe scientific results where the first evidence is a youtube video. Also, magnetic levitation has been around for decades.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    So yeah that journalist who interviewed Grusch - in a massive surprise to no one has gone all in on this UFO (and conspiracy) stuff

    https://x.com/rosscoulthart?lang=en



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,940 ✭✭✭The_B_Man


    Do you ever watch those old alien UFO videos from the 90s? There does be some on ITV in the evenings sometimes and Jack Osbourne has a show where he shows Ozzy and Sharon some old videos of UFOs.

    Anyway, I saw one recently and it's clear as day that they're just drones. Back in the VHS times, nobody would know about drones that could fly left right and centre and accelerate out of nowhere, and be silent compared to a chopper or plane. Looking back now, it's very recognisable. You'll have a handful of lights that hover, and then move together and then disappear without a trace.

    You can say that this doesn't cover every UFO video, which I can't argue with, but there must certainly be a percentage of these videos that were just drones being tested by "them".

    Long story short, I'd be of the belief that all these UFOs are just military technology that we're just not aware of yet. With so much money pumped into them from their respective budgets, if I was funding them I'd actually be annoyed if they hadn't invented anti-gravity balls and light-beam teleportation etc..

    Sure in another 30 years, they'll be commonplace and we'll have anti-gravity Ryanair orbs, and Virgin Galactic will be doing day trips to Mars via worm holes! 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Indeed. When AARO investigated modern sightings, they found the majority of them were parallax.

    As for UFO/aliens belief - it will persist regardless of the evidence, it's self perpetuating now and there are pundits/TV scientists/youtubers/"whistleblowers" etc who make a living from it.



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Lue Elizondo has a book out, he was presented as an insider who had knowledge of UFO shenanigans in the pentagon. Seven years later he is pushing remote viewing, orbs flying around his house and alien implants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Mick West has read it and points out all the flaws

    He also has a recent interview with him.

    These UFO people like Luis are often the same - fantasists with an apparent strong belief (and often trying to make money out of this thing)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭Butson


    Have my doubts on Elizondo, but the problem with debunkers like Mick West is that they in turn get debunked regularly, too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Well with Mick West he usually tries to look at more grounded reasoning, the vast, vast majority of his critics jump straight to the ET hypothesis's. I will take his grounded approach over what passes for UFOologists these days, the UFO industry has a woeful quality control process. As I see it there is no good quality evidence so the focus is now on attacking anyone who points out the flaws in the evidence.
    We were promised evidence/disclosure, but it’s apparent the people who promised this had no first hand experience of any evidence and it’s a bunch of camp fire stories from fantasists and the delusional.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    The proportion is important. Been using that website (Metabunk) on and off for a long time now. They've debunked a vast number of false/distorted claims whereas they've only made a handful of errors.

    Mick West is a skeptic. Someone like Luis is anything but.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 392 ✭✭Banzai600


    ive been following this topic closely now for the last two years……i have access to quite a large library of various docuseries and tv shows, staggering stuff. These were never aired over this side of the pond. When you watch docs from a few years ago up until present time it all falls into place almost neatly.

    There are civilizations from thousands of yrs ago, and then the temple in Göbekli Tepe in Turkey from appx 12k yrs ago, ( when current scholars lol, said there was no more ancient temples, this pops up ! ) that have similar inscriptions as other temples etc on other sides of the planet, thousands of yrs and miles apart that all tie into each other, go figure that one. history will be re-written, and the science around it, as whats already out there is irrefutable imo. So called modern day academics dug their head in the sand, are now becoming the laughing stock, and they are supposed to be "credible".

    US government and related departments, defense / intelligence have confirmed these entities / orbs and craft and that they are real evidence for sure and are not from here. There's some other stuff / research going on , the likes of the skinwalker ranch in Utah….again top physicists etc cannot explain - in their case, i do think that they have active worm holes on that ranch, from what i can surmise.

    Elizondo has been ridiculed as have many others over the years on both sides. He seems credible, has somevery serious backers behind him. And i think there is more to come from his camp soon. Ppl's characters being besmirched, public assassinations of ones character and illustrious careers etc with US military. Presidents from 50's been shushed down once they got into office and one as some ppl illude to was silenced completely - yes that guy - if he had of become president, we would not be where we are now in any respect around global instability for starters…

    ppl laugh now, but its real. I reckon its not going to be too long before we know. Wont be months, but it will be within the next couple of years i reckon. Whatever it/they are, it'll change humanity as we know it forever, be it for the better or worse. Yup, watch this space.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sorry, not of that stuff about Göbekli Tepe is true and comes from folks like Graham Hancock. It's total nonsense that I think you did nothing to actually verify. 

    It also has nothing at all to do with aliens. Ascribing the actual archeological discoveries being made there and other similar sites to aliens really cheapens the importance of them. Especially when you've not actually looking into them beyond what psuedohistory cranks tell you to believe.

    The real science there is super interesting. It doesn't need made up aliens and such to make it more interesting.

    Here's an actual good youtube video that contains good information and does a great job of conveying the real science and why it's so interesting:

    I suspect however that you will be too closed minded to actually watch it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,970 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Just to address some points here:

    "US government and related departments, defense / intelligence have confirmed these entities / orbs and craft and that they are real evidence for sure and are not from here."

    They haven't been confirmed. It's been acknowledged there's some footage that can't 100% be identified, but obviously that doesn't mean it's evidence of "aliens". When this footage is later identified it's most often parallax of an object.

    "the likes of the skinwalker ranch in Utah"

    There's no credible evidence of anything "paranormal" or "other-worldly" happening at the ranch.

    https://www.iflscience.com/skinwalker-ranch-bastion-for-the-paranormal-or-hoax-69969

    "Elizondo has been ridiculed as have many others over the years on both sides. He seems credible, has somevery serious backers behind him. And i think there is more to come from his camp soon."

    He hasn't produced any substantiated evidence, only claims.

    "I reckon its not going to be too long before we know. Wont be months, but it will be within the next couple of years i reckon."

    I've spent 3 decades following this stuff. It's always "just around the corner". I started out believing and have gone the other direction.

    People want to believe in UFOs/aliens, and that's fine, but that need to believe creates it's own market. One which gets filled. It's the same thing with belief in "ghosts", it creates an entire circuit, which is why we have TV shows, experts, scientists, pundits, documentaries, books, testimony, innuendo, you name it - everything but actual evidence.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,504 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Elizondo should be ridiculed. He started of as the respectable military face of UFO lobbying disclosure, and now he's claiming to be a remote viewer and having constantly seen orbs in his house (where he has no cameras). This current flap has completely and utterly fizzled, there is no new evidence and all they have is the charge that because the government isn't saying what they want to hear then every fantasy they have dreamed up is being suppressed.

    And invoking Gobekli Tepe as evidence of something something going on is usually a sign of having nothing, anyway isn't Karahn Tepe older?



  • Advertisement
  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,336 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    AARO was always another project Bluebook, the gatekeepers' way of maintaining control.

    Over the past few months, there have been signs that the control surrounding this 60-year-old secret is weakening.

    In November 2024, a new government hearing is set to take place, which will likely have a new impact on the fate of this 60-year-old secret. This hearing is expected to gather new whistleblowers who will share their own experiences and shed light on various aspects of the secret.

    The first camp within the UFO community advocates for the secrecy surrounding UFOs. This group perceives the disclosure of UFO information as a threat to national security and believes that keeping the truth hidden is crucial to protect the world from potential threats. Plus the just like having power too.

    The second camp within the UFO community believes in open communication and the disclosure of UFO information. This group believes that the time has come for the truth to be told and for society to fully understand the nature of the phenomenon.

    Camp 1's victory remains to be seen, as the long-term agenda of the non-humans remains unknown. This drip disclosure of information may be a way of preparing us for the shock that awaits when the truth is finally revealed.

    Personally, I believe there is something amiss with the Pentagon's decision to release information of this magnitude with such little fanfare.

    Is this an entity's message loud and clear: Stop lying?

    It is evident that whatever was over the bases for a period of 17 days was not ordinary technology. If it were a drone, the military would have taken it down.

    https://hayspost.com/posts/73d690ae-4071-436d-8a50-4dfc3cef306d

    https://www.newsnationnow.com/space/ufo/mystery-drones-us-base/



Advertisement