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Working From Home Megathread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 4,469 ✭✭✭TaurenDruid


    The whole of the public service (unless, obviously, you're in a public-facing role such as healthcare). And private sector, I know of people working in HR, accounts, sales and customer support, all blended or remote.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,074 ✭✭✭Shelga


    I've been WFH 95% of the time since the beginning of the pandemic, and I'm pretty sick of it now, to be honest. At the same time, I love the flexibility and no commute. I think for my own sanity I need a hybrid role. I feel quite isolated a lot of the days and I don't think video calls makes up for normal human interaction. It doesn't help that my colleagues are quite boring, in my opinion, ha. Maybe it's just finally time for a change all round!

    Does anyone else feel like their attitude to work and career in general has changed a lot since the pandemic? I've been thinking a lot recently about the meaning of work in our lives. It seems really hard to find an interesting job where you work hard, but without killing yourself as a lot of jobs these days seem to come with risk of burnout.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 964 ✭✭✭moycullen14


    It's a tricky one. Definitely think the whole work thing is better on-site, but the personal costs (flexibility, commute, time) are huge. Even hybrid takes a lot of management - no point being in if no-one else there.

    I found that I became more detached the longer I spent remote working. In the end, I left and am now considering my options. Basically, I don't want to work :-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    As someone hybrid (fighting a full 5 day return) I personally find the office a much worse place to work to be honest. I much prefer working at home, more productive overall (while actually working less) and just less of a chore. Even when on-site the vast majority of our calls are done online anyway even when there are a few of us in the same room as there is always other sites or fully remote people involved (even excluding calls with external clients). I find this better anyway as its easier share screens etc or get your point across and on calls you are only listening (which I end up on a lot) I can keep working away on other stuff while listening in - I've grown to really dislike meeting room meetings. That being said I have lots of interaction at home - wife works from home, family close by that I see during the day, kids are around some days so I don't find it isolating or this type of thing.

    With that all being said I do have parts of my role that requires interaction with production and hardware development areas that do require semi-regular onsite presence so fully remote is not an option in my current role.

    Ideally I would like to come in only on the days I specifically need to be there - that is probably 1 or 2 days most weeks but could be 5 days on occasion and no days reasonably often. Instead I have been doing 2 fixed days at home (moving around things to suit this) while having to come in days where I sit all day on calls due to it being a WFO day. To make matters worse we are under mounting pressure to be in the office 5 days per week every week which I am losing sleep over I find it that stressful a prospect.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 15,598 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I started a new job recently and it's four days a week in the office and I'm finding it a massive (and difficult) adjustment, tbh. There is just so much dead time involved in having to go in - up at 6.30, don't get home til 7-ish. By the time I walk the dog, cook the dinner, throw on a wash or whatever and sit down for half an hour, the evening is practically gone. It's not helped by the fact that we have a slightly longer than normal working day too, 8 to 5. We do seem to be something of an outlier, though; it's an extremely sought-after employer in a very lucrative sector, so they know they can kind of set whatever terms they want and people will still be vying to work there. From speaking to various recruiters over the past couple of months, though, most companies mandating anything more than three days a week in the office are really struggling to hire.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 617 ✭✭✭sonyvision


    The push back to the office has finally come. Expected to be back minimum 2 days a week, I did 3 days then following week I done 1. It is not entirely monitored yet.

    One thing going for me is my manager or team doesn't work in my office so I can't see her jumping on my case if I only get 1 of those days!. At least I can still pick my days and I'll try Mondays as its quite and Fridays with the same logic. If they happen to fall on a public holiday that's not my problem 🤷



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    DId that thing ever come in where if you reques, your employer has to give a reason for you to be in the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    It was and even changed to make it stronger but I still think it has no teeth and is easily got around by an employer leaving little to fight them on it bar going nuclear like the WRC which you might as well leave rather than do in this case.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Yes it is interesting, I can imagine once they grant one person the right to stay fully remote then others will demand it.

    Even if it was for some medical reason they couldn't disclose that to anyone else looking for it.

    If the green party are so intent on saving the planet, pushing for wfh would seem like a very good thing to pursue.

    Although maybe they wouldn't have any authority to tell companies what to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Same here. I find key players are left alone to work fully remote (from wherever they want) or hybrid. My own wife's company has recalled a load of staff back to the office, but herself and a few others have just been quietly ignored and let carry on remote. Very handy during the summer with the kids where she can work from anywhere and extend the holidays by a few weeks.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    Unfortunately as you might have seen in some of my more recent posts this "policy" has changed and now it's only people who have remote or hybrid in their contract that are now being allowed continue to work from home regardless of how important/unimportant you are to the business. Its an absolutely terrible policy and the company is already losing people over this (both in Ireland and in other locations) and rumours of more looking at the exit also. Some are still flying under the radar and getting away with doing their day or two from home against the policy (comically mostly due to their managers being fully remote and not knowing). But the net is closing in.

    It is a massive stress for me (among others) as with family commitments like you mentioned it greatly increases the challenges in a fair management of things with the kids between my wife and I. Along with additional costs, time wasted commuting and less productivity if I am honest as I find the office a far more distracting place. I hold out hope that enough people leaving might force the hand of management (though its a worldwide policy so harder to see it changed) or I will be looking towards the door also.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 11,391 ✭✭✭✭John_Rambo


    Ah, I see. That's unfortunate. Some companies can't shake that factory floor attitude I'm afraid. OR… people are taking the piss. However, you mention line managers being fully remote, so maybe the shift has changed towards the key players and you're simply not one of them. Would you aspire to be a line manager or (like me) you're not interested in managing people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    It wasn't or certainly not as far as I am aware anything to do with performance, from what we can tell it's a mix of perceived control and that stupid corporate mumbo jumbo about having the "team" together and other such clichés - despite the teams already being spread across various locations anyway so it makes little sense.

    Line manager wasn't really the correct term, I am in a relatively senior position and have a number of people reporting to me already, I should have said higher management (who are line managers to those in senior roles but also keep an eye on more junior staff when it comes to WFH) who are the ones enforcing this - some of whom happen to be remote so they do not have the same visibility. Seniority has little to do with remote we have higher management and more junior roles remote which came about for various reasons (and all hired post covid) - mostly people who wouldn't move to the South of the country or who where hired abroad in a place we don't have a presence. In most cases were filling an urgent gap (at the time) so were pandered to and now are contractually protected from a forced office return.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    I cant understand how in this day and age that a manager needs staff in an office to make sure they are not slacking on the work.

    You are literally assigned work and your manager can see how you are performing.

    If you had new hires and you wanted team members to come in to help out at the start, then fair enough.

    If a manager is looking for people back in the office a few days a week, I can only assume it's because they need to make it look like they do something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,053 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Only an incompetent fool of a manager would be looking at "who is in the office" rather than "are outputs/targets being achieved".

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Wfh policies are set by a companies board of directors lads. No "manager" that you interact with during your workday gets a say in whether you can work remotely or not.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Regional North West Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 13,206 Mod ✭✭✭✭miamee


    That depends on the size of the company surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,462 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    True but replae board with owner etc. No middle manager is setting remote work policy.

    They're enforcing what they're told to enforce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,053 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Well then the idiot is higher up the organisation 😉

    I'm partial to your abracadabra
    I'm raptured by the joy of it all



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,984 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    You are literally assigned work and your manager can see how you are performing.

    Managers have now had several years to observe whether meeting expected speed targets is the only measure that matters.

    It looks like they've concluded that it's not, and that there are other less quantifiable factors that influence overall rganisational performance.

    Who'd have every guessed!

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  • Posts: 12,836 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yeah but its easier to spout nonsense about middle managers than actually consider why companies actually want people back in the office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,781 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Where I've worked, it's often been the middle management in different private companies or agencies and public sector organisations who have been free (or had the responsibility) to make local arrangements with remote working. Years before lock down.

    Even now our policy is it has to be signed off by the line manager. They can nix it if they require it.

    Its not much different to organising shifts or holidays, or leave. Anything really.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,781 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Many places (and managers) do not track output. They might claim to but they don't. Lots of tick boxes, especially in meetings that have no connection to reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    What are these other less quantifiable factors?

    It would be interesting to see how large multinationals might suffer compared to others.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,053 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    there arent that many jobs that can be distilled to task a,b and c and percentage completion to be fair.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,781 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    There's a whole industry devoted to putting check boxes and objectives , targets achieved, customer ratings, satisfaction, retention, staff culture surveys, on anything and everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,781 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,086 ✭✭✭✭LambshankRedemption


    October 2023 I started a job and was told 1-2 days a month in the office.

    January 3rd 2024, we got a new CTO who said in his inauguration speech that he despises WFH and was now mandating 3+ days a week in the office. I wonder did he co-write the book "how to lose friends and alienate people".

    Of course then the predictable happened, lots of people showed up to the office and there werent enough desks for everyone. People who had travelled in from Portarlington, ended up sitting at one of the tables in the canteen, on a chair less comfortable than their home office at home.

    My line manager lives in Denmark and has told me she doesnt care if I go to the office or not.

    The point is, unless it is written into your contract, the employer can change their policy on remote working at any point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,676 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 831 ✭✭✭SodiumCooled


    In the company I work for anyway it has nothing to do with performance of that I am certain. Some of the most productive and successful times for the company (worldwide) have been during the period with a lot of hybrid/remote working (we also still retain contractually protected remote workers many of whom are management themselves). If anything the policy has hit productivity as many are "working to rule" so to speak out of annoyance with the policy - leaving on the dot of finish time, taking holidays when it suits rather than working around deadlines etc.

    Yes and no, the mandates do come from the top, In our case I feel its similar to the other poster and its the CEO or certainly the very top rung of the company (though it was communicated as a board decision or something like that). Plenty of senior level managers have been forced back to the office also who were working hybrid for years and some have left so its hitting pretty much all levels.

    That being said managers do have a say to a degree in that they can choose to turn a blind eye to things. My manager was/is currently doing this in my case but there is such a push on now that they are sort of asking me to be in everyday for now until things die down at least. I was also allowing people who report to me do a day or two from home but they are more junior staff and are less willing to rock the boat so have been coming in even though I wasn't pushing it.



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