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N4 - Mullingar to Rooskey [route options published]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,595 ✭✭✭veryangryman


    The man is nothing if not consistent. And unrealistic



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,878 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    This is why you build for the future and connectivity. Accepting second rate for the main route to the northwest when we should be supporting Donegal and Sligo development - not just in practice but in principle - is not acceptable and shouldn't be.

    Ireland should not be accepting second rate roads on any strategic route like that.

    Zero ambition sums Ireland up which is why it is an utterly below mediocre place in regards to literally everything. A disease we need to get over.

    Your post sums it up. All about why you can't do something.



  • Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭joeymcg


    I see it from both sides I really do. Does traffic levels justify Motorway between Gort and Rathmorrissey? I don't think so. Or Rathmorrissey and Annagh Hill, or Tuam for that matter. Don't think so. But we're going into a different era where spending everywhere is under the microscope as well as environment super-consciousness.

    I honestly believe the 2+2 Collooney to Castlebaldwin, the Rooskey bypass and this 2+2 scheme (if it's built) will be sufficient for 50 years. Now if Ireland begins to plan for the next 50 years we are doing well, we've never done this before. Learn to walk before you can run.

    There is a substantial saving to be made between choosing 2+2 over Motorway. I just think for 2+2s to work you will need very regular laybys for cars breaking down/EVs running out of juice.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Whats the plan for the tie in with the Mullingar Bypass as i think there is a bit of a pinch point under the last overbridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,444 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I know a strictly speaking drivers don’t have to do this (and I know you’re not permitted drive that hard shoulder) but on a road like this with much very generous hard shoulders it would really help traffic flow if slow moochers courteously and safely just moved in briefly and let people off. I don’t see why it’s such a big problem- I’d much prefer do that and safer than 1/2 km of frustrated cars up my car if I was them. It’s quite noticeable in the N4 due to the big traffic volumes and decent quality of much of the sections



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,138 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I had hoped for a long time that for the sake of national unity this road should be a motorway with the Mullingar bypass upgraded to motorway but there’s no chance of that – the new road seems to subsume the old one in some areas and there are large numbers of “side road treatments” which may or may not provide access to the new road. All of this prevents it being a motorway.

    Now, we just need to get the full Carrick-on-Shannon to Dromod scheme back in play, and not just the CoS town bypass element, and we’ll be sorted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I expect no new Type 1 DC, with Type 2 DC for the rest. I am hoping that "Side Road treatments" means the creation of parallel access roads for existing entrances: the high number of entrances is what makes the current road dangerous - in terms of width, sightlines and curves alone, it wouldn't be so bad. (the Carrick-on-Shannon project has far more problems in terms of alignment).

    Upgrading the Mullingar bypass to blue signs just creates problems for non-permitted traffic (e.g. tractors - this is a rural town after all).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭highdef


    Yes, I do know that a driver has no obligation to move over to let a line a traffic behind to pass but it's just a general courtesy thing. I was towing a small trailer from Lucan to a little bit beyond Edgeworthstown yesterday so I was not permitted to drive beyond 80 km/h however I moved over to the hard shoulder at every opportunity that I could safely do so at least a dozen times and I never had more than two cars behind me, waiting to pass. In fact, I overtook two cars, one before Ballinalack and the other before Rathowen. Both were doing no more than 70 km/h, both were almost hugging the dotted line in the centre of the road and both of them were up my arse by the time I was half way through each of the villages.

    Literally the most annoying type of driver.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭highdef


    The person I spoke to at the Mullingar consultation earlier in the week said that where the side roads were marked on the map is where the roads will continue to be accessible from either side but they would not connect with the new N4. Access to/from the new N4 will only be at the purple coloured junctions. He also said the dual carriageway build will be similar to the Rooskey bypass and the speed limit will be 100 km/h, stating that the aim of the road is to Improve safety with any faster journey times being incidental.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,444 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    I know it’s basic awareness and common courtesy as you say. It’s not just an N4 issue but ok all national routes but most noticeable here due to the huge traffic volumes. Also get the other ditherers who refuse to pass a vehicle even when they pull into let them



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,452 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    As you say, it's common to many 90s era widened national primary routes. It's the same on the N21, the N22 out of Cork, wider parts of the N20 etc.

    The N4 north west of Mullingar is well over capacity so the kind of carry on mentioned above is a natural outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭KrisW1001




  • Registered Users Posts: 829 ✭✭✭DumbBrunette


    I made a submission on the project website about the lack of a direct link to the N5 and why that's a bad thing!

    They are inviting submissions until mid August at the link below:



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,742 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Just curious, what is a 'rural town'? I've heard this said a lot but only by Irish country people but I'm not sure that it's actually widely understood.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    When I say it, I mean a town whose hinterland is almost all rural.

    The contrast is with towns/villages that are satellites or dormitories to larger towns or cities, or very large towns that are almost cities in their own right and have their own satellite settlements.

    As we're taking about traffic, I would say that rural towns have lower traffic, but a greater share of that traffic would be agricultural or heavy goods, and the level is steadier through the day; while the satellite towns and near-cities would have much more traffic overall, but almost all of that extra is private cars and it would be a more tidal pattern (morning and evening peaks).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,644 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Ample space to widen the road. The issue there is slowing the traffic before the dual carriageway starts and there's immediately an exit



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    I dont know about that the toe of the bridge is very close to the existing carrigeway



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,644 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    I misunderstood the location you were talking about. Yes, the underpass at that bridge will need to be widened



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,320 ✭✭✭highdef


    Are we talking about this bridge?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,164 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    Plenty of widening room there. It's been done on the Nenagh bypass, you just drop the hard shoulder under the bridge.



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,452 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Big chance this will be a Type 2 as well which will definitely fit under there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,485 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    That bridge design really looks like something that was copy/pasted between the two schemes. I think the design on Mullingar likely predates the NRA existing even though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    The most likely cross-section here is Type 2 DC (16.5 m paved). What’s there already is 13.5 m wide, so that only needs an extra 1.5 m on each side, which should be possible without disrupting the bridge.

    I don’t think Type 1 is very likely here. The short stretch of M4 around Mullingar might be relatively busy (22,000 AADT, still well within the capacity of the road type, though), but a lot of that volume looks to be due to local traffic - the rest of this corridor is only just above the capacity of a single carriageway (14.0 k at Edgworthstown, 13.5k at Longford, 8.0 k at Dromod).



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Yip thats it, But i dont think the photo shows how low the arch is. If you put in 2+2 the outside lane for high vechicles will be very close to the belly of the bridge.

    In saying that it would be not to hard or pricey in the overall project costs to just build a new bridge a little further back as its only carrying a small local road over the N4.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,839 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Thats for sure. You had Consultants for different bridges then with different standards and it was Walls Civil that built it was so long ago



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,739 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    If it’s a problem, it’ll be far cheaper to lower the road level where goes under the bridge than to rebuild the bridge.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,644 ✭✭✭beggars_bush


    Not surprising for Dromod as the road splits in two after Longford



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