Why I'll say no to a united ireland

No, not what I said. You are stooping to fibs now.

My rationale extends to your parents who 'identify' as British.
That is the only way someone can assume what you are as a new born baby

Jaysus this is like the Godfather, I want out but you pull me back in :D

What on earth makes you think my understanding of this islands history comes from a place of insecurity?

Sometimes you use your mind and discuss what I'm sure are uncomfortable topics maturely, and other times its back to Ulster says no and slinging arrows, but I do of course see you getting goaded.

I get p*ssed of when I read the ill-informed comments from posters with the sole intention of slinging mud and scoring points, but I like to see the interesting and challenging posts that are backed up with something concrete as I have spent way too much effort trying to do.

I am a POLITICAL republican in that I believe a peaceful transition to a UI is the best for this island, but I try not to buy into the bullshit. I have these opinions for years, formed from a v different starting place as that never added up for me.

And btw you do live in Ireland within the UK, just as your people did, Ireland was here long before ROI called itself Ireland, before Christianity and it's sects, and before the British were here, it is the constant.

Although your part of it is under British administration, it didn't become Britain a hundred years ago, geographically, which is our island neighbor across the Irish sea, yours and mine.

English Scottish and Welsh are geographically British, and of Britain, their island, just as we are of Ireland. It shouldn't diminish your political Britishness, or your nationality, one iota imo and is absolutely compatible with Unionism. But call yourself whatever you want.

you are misunderstanding the point.
You don’t decide what you are, geography does.
You were born in Ireland.
Another scenario for you. If you and I tell someone from outside Ireland where we were born they will see us as Irish.
You will have to tell them you identify as British. I don’t have to say anything.
David Trimble spoke or wrote about that. Look it up.

I apologise for the comments about your insecurity (don’t know your motive for needing me to be Irish). I guess I am frustrated and don’t know how to get through to you.
you are at it again, referring to my ‘political Britishness’, what the hell is that?

I am British. Why would you call it political Britishness. I have lived in the uk for my entire life. Bar the first 16 years of my fathers life in Donegal, all my parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc, etc, etc have lived in the uk. 100% of my extended family are British and want to remain British. The country/region/whatever, NI that I live in, wants to be good neighbours to Ireland but wants to remain in the uk.
Why oh why, does someone who seems fairly reasonable, keep telling me the evolution to being first and foremost northern Irish is not enough, I have to become Irish. It’s mad! Republicans need to stop this.

it’s a great question and I would be really interested in some of the people who have been doing the forcing to explain why it is important to them

referring to my ‘political Britishness’, what the hell is that?

...as opposed to geographic Britishness, which I alluded to in my post. You are not geographically in Great Britian, you are politically in Britain. You are geographically in Ireland.

Back to saying I am trying to take your nationality again??

it would help me understand if you would tell me why you keep saying that I am Irish simply because I was born on a land mass called Ireland, but you don’t see the need to call Catalans - Spanish or Canadians and Mexicans - Americans.
I have also avoided raising the Middle East as it is so sensitive, but your argument means that you would have to tell a Palestinian that they are born Isrealie . Can you not see how both ridiculous and offensive this is?

I can see we are not really getting anywhere. But I would appeal to you to examine a few of the situations I have mentioned, and consider whether you really are being logical

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As far as I can see it you have two arguments for me being Irish:

1) I am born on a land called Ireland (consider Canada, Mexico, Colombia, etc)

2) I am born in an area that used to be ruled by Ireland (consider Palestine, Lithuania, Ukraine, etc)

Your two arguments are so volatile and offensive to many peoples all over the world, why would I not find them equally offensive?

I do not believe you are being intentionally offensive, but I do believe you are so bloody minded that you cannot see the hand in front of your face

I'll say it again.

'Northern Ireland'
The only 'place' (you are from a place) mentioned here ^ is Ireland. 'North' is a direction.

The UK/Britain is a union of places - but somebody from it's component places is Scottish, Welsh, English or Irish etc

They can all identify as British as well or not, as the case may be.

Where is this 'law' written?

That is a law governing 'citizenship'. Your last sentence SHOULD READ: Is a baby born of two Nigerian parents, automatically an Irish citizen?

You are entitled to claim Irish citizenship if any one of the following applies:

1. You were born in Ireland or Northern Ireland before 1 January 2005

2. You were born in Ireland or Northern Ireland after 31 December 2004 and any of the following applies to you:

One (or both) of your parents was Irish or entitled to be an Irish citizen or a British citizen at the time of your birth

One (or both) of your parents was an Irish or British citizen and died before you were born

One (or both) of your parents was entitled to live in Ireland or Northern Ireland without any restriction on their period of residency

One (or both) of your parents was legally resident on the island of Ireland for 3 out of the 4 years immediately before your birth (this does not include residence on a student visa, or residence while awaiting an international protection decision or residence under a declaration of subsidiary protection)

Incorrect. Maybe some have, but I have never forced idendity on anyone, why are you still banging that drum?

I respect all borders and nationalities, I respect all political territories. Ireland is absolutely a part of the British isles, if you recognize that term, but is not a part of Britain. England Scotland and Wales are in Britian. That has nothing to do with idendity, that is just geography. We are all in Europe, even after UK left the EU.

Northern Ireland is in Ireland, and is part of the UK. People from there are as British as anyone from England Scotland and Wales, if they so wish.

I just see them as geographically Irish, i.e of Ireland. They have been here for hundreds of years, longer than mine have for all I know. They made up the Irish part of the Union of English, Scottish and Welsh.

I respect 100% that they are not politically or ideologically aligned with ROI, that would be patently ridiculous. ROI or republicanism does not own or dictate Irishness in a geographical sense, nor should in any other sense either, nor does tribalism. I believe Carson was an Irish patriot, just like Pearce etc. Me agreeing with him or not is irrelevant. He believed that himself.

Ian Paisley said he was Irish, he wasn't saying he loved playing hurling and going to mass. He was saying he was of this island. More Unionists than him have said it and felt it. Excl Republicans say they aren't Irish. I agree with Paisley etc 100% and believe they are prejudiced to deny it to them.

If a UI happens, I hope Unionists won't feel displaced and leave. This is their home as much as it is mine. I am patently not being discriminatory in any way and reject many of the prejudices of exclusionary republicanism.

I have explained my position and given the reasons why. People in all sides will disagree, but I hope it's done on the merits of what I have said, and not on things that I have 100% never said.

He could always identify as Irish, but according to the definition of a country he never lived in Ireland,

There have been some ridiculous comments made here and I think that one wins.

Please research the difference between a political entity and the name of where you live, where we all, on this thread, live.

You'll find it is in/on Ireland.