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Clontarf to City Centre Cycle & Bus Priority Project discussion (renamed)

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    #2942
    tomfoolery60
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭tomfoolery60


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122063407#Comment_122063407

    why do you think the opposition is so strong? The road is really wide and everyone on it has a massive driveway IIRC - albeit they love to leave their cars on the main road.



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    #2943
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122062011#Comment_122062011
    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122062432#Comment_122062432

    All of the other stops that are being installed are being built to a standard that allows up to three buses to serve the stop at one time - there isn't the space at the two locations for that length of bus stop - they will only have space for one bus at a time.

    Hence the plan for them to be served by the 130 (and in due course the BusConnects route 10).

    Now you could probably add the planned routes 8 and 58 to that in due course to give a reasonable frequency overall, while not overloading the two stops in terms of buses waiting to serve it.



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    #2944
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    for the stop go last night on north strand road they had a massive trench dug in the middle of the road. must be doing something with pipes, looked nearly 2 meters deep. and still on social media they're all going nuts that this is about a cycle lane.



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    #2945
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Deep into the bridge tonight. This stretch seems to be the trickiest part. Lads will be out all night I'd say. At this stage I'm pretty obsessed with these roadworks!

    https://streamable.com/2ogw54



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    #2946
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,171 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122068892#Comment_122068892

    Just after your video stopped you would have gone over the weird 'ramps' sprayed on the cycle lane. What do you think that is for? They must be going to dig it up again.



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    #2947
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,171 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122067653#Comment_122067653

    What happens now at stops if there is a convoy of buses, is as one moves off, the next moves up. There is no reason whatsoever they could not do the same to let the person stuck on the 15, H1,H3 or whatever, get off at what was stop 617 or the one across the road (the 'special 130 stops'), instead of ferrying them 300 plus yards up the road. It wouldn't delay anyone.

    It's a daft decision, like the original decision to replace the bus stop with parking spaces - same body making these decisions? NTA?



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    #2948
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,651 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    Passing by the Westwood gym on the cycle lane I noticed that the Queuing cars were waiting patiently on the road for their turn to go into the carpark, maybe they've all been told?

    (I won't mention the wobbly cyclist coming against the direction of travel though..)



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    #2949
    Disco24
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭Disco24


    Big help is the fact now cars can't cross from ooutbound lane. Hopefully this stays.



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    #2950
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122069672#Comment_122069672

    Buses queuing up and serving stops one by one does actually cause additional journey time to be added. Multiply that all along a route and it adds up.

    The whole point of the core bus corridors is to try to improve the flow of bus movement - hence the larger bus stops that multiple buses can serve at the same time.

    I think that if you have the three routes that I mentioned stopping there then it will be a good compromise.



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    #2951
    Citizen Six
    Registered Users Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭Citizen Six


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122073156#Comment_122073156

    Witnessed a downside to this earlier. BMW X5 driving inbound crossed over just before the railway bridge, then drove the wrong was down the road, to turn up Charlemont Lane. Hit a cyclist along the way.



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    #2952
    tomfoolery60
    Registered Users Posts: 293 ✭✭tomfoolery60


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077484#Comment_122077484

    good grief! Were they hurt?



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    #2953
    spurious
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Education Moderators Posts: 27,171 CMod ✭✭✭✭spurious


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077008#Comment_122077008

    But unless the buses leave the bus lane they will always be behind the one in front, so it would make no difference surely?

    One cross city bus, ideally the 24 hour 15 would be good. The 15 and 27 would be ideal.



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    #2954
    Disco24
    Registered Users Posts: 24 ✭Disco24


    What a tool.

    Also saw car outbound going wrong way up bus lane at howth rd jnct to get to westwood.

    The chances of getting ticket for road offence in Dublin is so low ppl take risks.



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    #2955
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079045#Comment_122079045

    They will leave the bus lane to overtake the stopped bus, they do that all over the city every day!

    The stop I normally use is an example of that, it serves multiple routes, if one bus is stopped at the stop, unless someone specifically waves it down or rings the bell to get off, the other buses on the corridor will go around it. Buses leap frog one another all along the route into town. Saves a lot of time.



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    #2956
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079045#Comment_122079045

    Buses overtake one another all day long and this wouldn’t be any different.

    You also have to look at this in the context of the revised network of routes, not the existing one.



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    #2957
    loco_scolo
    Registered Users Posts: 508 ✭✭✭loco_scolo


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122079045#Comment_122079045

    Given how this whole debacle evolved, it is a huge win for the community of North Strand to have the stops reinstated (still no sign of it actually happening, mind you).

    Certainly, my argument on this from the very start was that, you cannot deprive the most vulnerable in a community of a nearby bus stop. Realistically, the adjacent stops are fully reachable for every fit and able person, and if one doesn't want to walk the extra stretch, the real time planner will be ideal.

    Thankfully North Strand will maintain a bus service, it just won't be a 'turn up and go' service like it previously was. They should replicate this all across the city on quieter stops. On balance everyone receives a higher quality service which is faster and easier to keep on time. All that without depriving any community of access.



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    #2958
    Shedite27
    Registered Users Posts: 9,389 ✭✭✭Shedite27


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122077484#Comment_122077484

    Bloody drivers!



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    #2959
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    IMG-20240510-WA0009.jpeg

    Lol this guy was here 45 mins ago too, impressive



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    #2960
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119922#Comment_122119922

    I'm saving this picture for the next time someone says "why do cycle lanes need bollards/curbs?". Not even big walls stop these assholes!



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    #2961
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,651 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    "Why do cyclists not use Cycle-Lanes"…



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    #2962
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119977#Comment_122119977

    it was obviously elderly/disabled/medical emergency



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    #2963
    downtheroad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122119922#Comment_122119922

    A well aimed metal pedal scraped all along the side of that car wouldn't go amiss. Sorry mate, struggled to squeeze by.



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    #2964
    Citizen Six
    Registered Users Posts: 2,390 ✭✭✭Citizen Six


    IMG_5714.jpeg

    ..



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    #2965
    Thelonious Monk
    Registered Users Posts: 13,965 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    Jesus that's a bad one lol



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    #2966
    bk
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,631 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Seems like a lot of idiots out today!

    On the Griffith Avenue cycle lane a lad in a big SVU parked right in the cycle lane. The worst part is that there was plenty of space for him to park 1 meter to the right, like all the other parked cars!

    A little further up a lady stepped right into the bike lane without even looking, her car illegally parked in the bus stop in front of the church. I've seen this lady park in the bus stop a few times. A handy parking spot for her! Obviously feck you if you were a wheelchair user who needed to get on or off the bus!

    A reminder that the primary goal of this cycle lane was to create a safe cycle lane for children to cycle to school!



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    #2967
    downtheroad
    Registered Users Posts: 2,954 ✭✭✭downtheroad


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122120978#Comment_122120978

    If only there was parking enforcement or gardai in the area



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    #2968
    CatInABox
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,301 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Saw on twitter earlier that there's been a 24% increase in the numbers using the inbound route, which is great considering that it's still in bits in places.

    Also saw this on twitter from a councillor, Irish Water seem to be responsible for the delays, with requests for new water mains connections that weren't in the plans.

    https://twitter.com/donna_cooney1/status/1789019857263931442



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    #2969
    JRant
    Registered Users Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭JRant


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122121972#Comment_122121972

    "Some" is doing a lot of the heavy lifting in that update. It's already way behind so I doubt a few extra mains connections are responsible for the overall glacial pace of the project.

    When it gets back to the normal level of cyclists using it I expect to see a lot more people cycle in the bus lane. It's just too narrow to overtake in the bike lane and if you get stuck behind a plodder then the only option is out on to the road.

    Overall it's been a very poorly designed, managed, and implemented project. I'd like to think lessons will be learned from it but I doubt it.

    "Well, yeah, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man"



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    #2970
    Gloomtastic!
    Registered Users Posts: 8,400 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122123140#Comment_122123140

    Just have a look down one of the holes and see what’s involved. As Clontarf resident John Teeling, is always saying, ‘you have no idea what’s down there until you start digging’.

    Because there’s very little communication from the engineers, the design and management of this project does seem bad. They should finish off sections before starting new ones. There might be a reason for this but they’re just not telling us.



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    #2971
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,642 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122123216#Comment_122123216

    From my own chats with one of the foremen, you’ve hit the nail on the head.

    An awful lot of the utilities were not located where the plans said they would be (similar to the LUAS works on Harcourt Street back in the day). That will always cause serious problems.

    That being said, once the utility works are completed, the rest tends to follow reasonably quickly - the works between Talbot Street and the Five Lamps for example have progressed rapidly in the last few weeks.



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