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Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,996 ✭✭✭trellheim


    " Looks like pre clearance queue was under a lot of pressure yesterday morning." At that length of queue you have to wonder what value preclearance has, post USPC its not a nice place at all even if you shell out for 51st and Green as the whole circus is crammed into a small enough space with no restaurants , at least with a non USPC departure you know you will get on the plane and get to the USA eventually. Yes you will need to do border screening and customs at the other end either way but I can't see the value here ( and I've been through both a LOT of times)



  • Posts: 0 Lexie Young Belly


    Unless I'm booking on of the earliest flights out and I've a connection anyway I'd avoid preclearance.

    Last two times I've cleared in JFK I've walked through. I've missed two flights because Dublin took so long to process me as well which isn't ideal but not that common



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭Blut2


    I've gone through preclearance probably 50 times in the last decade and never once seen a queue like that. Also fly through T2 tens of times a year and have never once seen queues coming up into the main area like that either.

    There must have been some unusual mistake or mess up somewhere surely?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,863 ✭✭✭Captain_Crash


    I was in T2 around that time. The queue was big yeah but maybe about half those in that video were queuing for CBP. The rest were just people in the airport and included people queuing for two flights at gates 410 & 408.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭cson


    The area is already at capacity 9a-1p imo, that's before the additional MSP (DL & EI) & DEN. JetBlue is another 150+ pax going through there at peak time.

    I honestly prefer to use Shannon & connect in BOS/JFK than suffering DUB at this point for a direct flight. Particularly now DL are running a 767 on the JFK route.

    The afternoon flights are fine (which are LAX, IAD #2, ORD, JFK & BOS I think), its not as crowded.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 223 ✭✭x567


    Shannon is a breeze by comparison to Dublin. I’ve never not walked straight up to the preclearance desk without a queue. The only issue (for me) lately is that EI have nudged back the departure times ex SNN a little which can make connections in JFK/BOS to Central or other further West time zone destinations a bit late and tight. Not such a big issue with United flights to EWR or ORD in the summer season…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭Blut2


    The real niche CBP pro-tip I think is to fly DUB→AMS→AUA→ the US. AUA has by an absolute mile the most relaxed US border clearance I've ever experienced.

    Slightly harder to make work logistically I'll admit, but sure its a good excuse for a few days on the beach in Aruba.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭cson


    Oh man I thought AUA was a nightmare when I went through there 2022, felt like I was constantly checking/re checking my bag.

    I'm lucky I have Global Entry so going via LHR/CDG/AMS/LIS isn't a huge deal. I just do not enjoy post preclearance in DUB for the first bank of departures at all these days, even 51&G is a zoo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,996 ✭✭✭trellheim


    Yep exactly even if you take out the first flight to USA ( which I think is still the United to Newark) post preclearance is horrible its an 0920 so if you want a breakfast you can't get any serious options



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭Nolimits


    Is there anything at all?

    I've an AA flight at 09:30 in a few months, I think our current plan was to get breakfast in the terminal and then go through preclearence and just wait.

    We considered 51st and Green, but it doesn't come with our ticket so we'd be paying for it, the reviews aren't great and if there was a queue at all in the preclearence we might not have enough time to get our money's worth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Interesting, I've found AUA to be one of the most chilled airports I've been through, possibly only behind USM! And especially to clear US immigration at, the immigration officials actually seem happy with life there, fairly uniquely. But I've never had checked luggage which may be a factor.

    Probably veering wildly off topic for DUB infrastructure though so I'll stop there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,996 ✭✭✭trellheim


    https://www.dublinairport.com/at-the-airport/the-map thats DAA's map of what should be there. Don't forget, upstairs may be open as well post preclearance and that can be of huge benefit in the absolute claustrophobic place that is the ground floor



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,131 ✭✭✭✭Kermit.de.frog


    Another Ireland inflicted shambles. Can we do anything right?

    Kenny Jacobs says "other airports don't get it". That's either after or during laughing their asses off and looking forward to the business that would have come here, but now won't.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2024/0501/1446839-passenger-cap-at-dublin-airport-will-cost-jobs-daa-warns/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 911 ✭✭✭steve-o


    Shhh.. upstairs is the best kept secret of the preclearance area. It's really quiet and there's rarely any queue at the cafe up there (though food options are very limited). I don't even go into the 51st lounge anymore. Crowded, dirty, rubbish food. I pity the fool who actually pays to get in there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭dublin12367




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭dublin12367


    what’s coming soon? Hardly doing a post just to say daa sign is being replaced by a DUB one?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭dublin12367


    2.87m passengers in April, when the “other passengers” are added to the terminal figure. Up 1%, even with the loss of the EI Gatwick service and Easter taking place earlier in March this year. Not bad considering the cap. https://www.dublinairport.com/latest-news/2024/05/03/dublin-airport-welcomed-over-2.7-million-passengers-in-april

    Regarding the infrastructure application, the daa are three months into their six month time frame to return the requested information. Hopefully some movement on that should happen soon, as I expect they working hard behind closed doors to get this done asap.

    Also read recently the daa are thinking about lodging another, simplified planning application to raise the cap quickly.

    Possible some airlines may take legal action against the IAA in relation to the slots issued in the coming months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭jwm121


    Seems like the pressure is mounting in this stupid cap again
    How do DAA expect to stay under the cap this year when they were already at 33.5 million passengers last year and passenger numbers are already higher this year?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭Blut2


    Maybe they expect to breach it and not be punished? Or that the cap will have been lifted by Dec2024 so any overrun before then won't matter?

    What exactly is meant to happen as punishment if its breached?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭dublin12367


    Nothing happened when they “breached “ it in 2019. You’d think that would have set a precedent.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,873 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    Youd have to wonder instead of constantly adding more gates and optomg for frequency. What about charging larger aircraft less ?

    The amount of connectimg passengers seems very low for a " hub" and as a % of total traffic.

    Also in that article it mentions the cap stopping new routes. Who is gokmg to lsinch routes to brazil etc ? Aer lingus ? Lol



  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    Remember that Ryanair is by far the dominant airline in DUB so the % of point to point passengers will always greatly exceed connecting pax.

    Also Ryanair would have a fit if was proposed to give large aircraft any special deals.

    I do expect some sort of incentive in the future for low emissions and low noise types like the NEO,MAX 787 etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭dublin12367


    latam were in talks last year. Definitely wouldn’t be aer Lingus.



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭jwm121


    Latam would have probably started to Sao Paulo which would have probably done very well. Asian traffic isn't even at the same level it was at Dublin before covid which is disappointing

    There was some sort of scheme the DAA were going to start early last year to get more long haul flights which is maybe when they started talking to Latam but I'd say that's out the window now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭Economics101


    The latest from the IAA shows how mad the Dublin passenger cap is. Limiting the numbers to 14.5 million in the winter period means limiting numbers at largely off-peak months. Given that the cap is supposed to be related to the capacity of the existing road access infrastructure, this makes no sense. If anything they shold be encouraging more use at off-peak times if the problem is one of road congestion.

    This is nonsense from the IAA, pandering to the frankly mad attitude of Fingal Co Counillors. Not helped by Greens who are hostile to aviation (of course they will deny this). And FF and FG are totally lacking in courage and decisiveness on this issue,

    https://www.businesspost.ie/news/airfares-to-rise-as-regulator-moves-to-further-limit-passenger-numbers-through-dublin-this-winter/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭FR738


    I see that rearrangement of stands at pier 3 was part of the underpass planning permission. This is the only picture I can find (flyinginireland website). Looks like it’s being extended out but only with these sort of sky bridge things. Says a net gain of 1 WB stand but net loss of 3 NB stands. I suppose though there’ll be more NB stands with the other extension west of pier 1.



  • Registered Users Posts: 155 ✭✭Qaanaaq


    Looks very convoluted to be honest and a loss of existing airbridge gates .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭dublin12367


    few more pics I came across recently from EIDW Live.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    If they build the tunnel does that put an end to any notion of levelling that pier and rebuilding it (making it longer)?



  • Registered Users Posts: 125 ✭✭shamrocka330


    Hard to know but the tunnel looks like it gets in the way of any further development of the pier? Seems like a missed opportunity to increase capacity of the pier while doing the tunnel works. Thought I saw images of future plans for the airport and that pier B was extended out as far as pier E?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭FR738


    I know they’ve a passenger cap at the moment but it’s just the DAA way unfortunately, adding on little extensions as a short term solution. There’ll be five new transatlantic routes this summer alone so no doubt there’ll be long waits for stands for the foreseeable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,785 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    That was with closure of 16/34.

    There is little scope to extend the pier.

    The tunnel should not impact as its overground until end of apron area. The clear road area is the tunnel as far as I know.



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭jwm121


    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/2024/05/07/airlines-seek-dublin-airport-growth-despite-passenger-cap/

    Will the government ever cop on? Current demand is approach 35 million passengers a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭Economics101


    No, they are afraid of all the activists writing in the Irish Times almost every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    This Government has less than a year to run (and might call an election in the autumn). Under Simon Harris, the focus is reported to be on a limited number of deliverables (and presumably those that matter most to voters) that can be progressed within the time available. The quagmire that is the planning, development and capacity issues at DUB probably doesn't meet that test.



  • Registered Users Posts: 163 ✭✭jwm121


    Aer Lingus presumably announcing Dublin to Vegas on Friday. Apparently on the 330 which won't be operating MSP during the winter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,658 ✭✭✭Nolimits


    Is this serious? I thought it was a joke (Dublin to Vegas)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,678 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Is there a preservation order on peir 3 or do they just not have the appetite to renovate or replace is with something bigger and more modern?

    Or is it simply that there isn't enough space to do much else within the existing available apron space?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 425 ✭✭dublin12367


    This is already being discussed on the Aer Lingus Fleet and Route thread. Not really relevant to this thread. There’s also a couple of Dublin Airport Route threads which this topic would be proper to also rather than an infrastructure thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 64 ✭✭FR738


    well there’s enough space for those elevated walkway contraptions so I’d have thought extending the pier would have increased stand capacity even more while using more or less the same space, although it would create a cul de sac between pier 3 and 4.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Karppi


    One of the issues is; where do you decant all the existing traffic to whilst you demolish and rebuild a pier? There is no spare room anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 811 ✭✭✭MICKEYG


    Agreed. The DAA seemed in the 00's to be ahead of the curve with T2 and building for the future (against the protests of many stakeholders) but that vision now seems to be gone or their hands have been tied.

    We will be back to temporary prefabs again if we are to get the old T1 piers modernized. I am in the 200 gates this morning and it is functional but embarrassing for a country of our wealth.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Karppi


    Dublin Airport is one of the few capital/major airports in the world that does not publish a Masterplan, which should set out the 25 year vision in some detail, and also be revised every five years. It may well have such a plan, but it isn’t published.

    The whole planning environment in Ireland, at least as far as airport development is concerned, is dysfunctional. A lack of political will, which is affected by which way the wind blows, how near to an election, etc. is at the heart of it; there’s no strategic, long range planning. Such a shame, because some enlightened group did an excellent job back in the late 1960s. Where are their successors?

    The planning authorities, Fingal CoCo and An Bord Pleanala, take years to make decisions. The requests for further information are numerous. The whole thing needs a major overhaul. Will that happen? I think we probably know the answer.

    Meanwhile, caps limit the ability of the airport to provide for airlines which want to serve Ireland. We are turning business (=income) away as a country. It’s got to be madness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,953 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Maybe if they weren't forced to charge such low landing fees…

    Whatever about ABP, FCC are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.

    In Cavan there was a great fire / Judge McCarthy was sent to inquire / It would be a shame / If the nuns were to blame / So it had to be caused by a wire.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Karppi


    I think you'll find that is a five year look ahead, driven by the IAA's quinquennial review period (Lovely word, that, "quinquennial"!) What is really needed is a 25 year ahead look. Like this, for example, Brisbane is a 20 year look ahead, refreshed every five years on a rolling basis. Brisbane is a good example as they were constructing and the opening a new parallel runway during the time DUB was designing and building theirs.

    https://www.bne.com.au/corporate/projects/airport-master-plan



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Maybe the only way the passenger cap issue will be resolved is for the DAA to do nothing, so sometime in Novembebr or December the cap will be breached. Then either (a) there is no real action, in the good old Irish tradition of poor enforcement of regulations, or (b) the planners order no more passengers to be handled for the next 4 to 8 weeks (including Christmas). This would provole such a crisis that the Government would have to enact whatever emergency legislation was necessary to resolve things.

    And of course all thhis might well be in the run up to a General Election.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,105 ✭✭✭Blut2


    That would seem a very reasonable response to the complete inaction of our government to me. Use their own inability to act against them.

    But would heads roll at the DAA as a result? Thats what it might come down to.

    Then again with that sort of timing it might be too close to a new government for there to be any punishment, even for individual decision makers.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,119 ✭✭✭EchoIndia


    FCC made a decision under current planning law. The only way for Government to override this is to have amending legislation drafted and enacted. That requires the Government to agree a unified position and ultimately for both Houses of the Oireachtas and the President to effect whatever changes might be involved. How likely is this in the short-term? Not very, in my view.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,575 ✭✭✭Noxegon


    I love that idea. No flights out of DUB for all of December due to a planning restriction would certainly wake up the government.

    I develop Superior Solitaire when I'm not procrastinating on boards.ie.



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