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Importing from the UK - definitive guide (Q and A)

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Helpneeded86


    The ownership record sort of backs this up aswell as we can see all Northern Ireland services withe first in 2020.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998


    V5 date will be February 2023 which will cause problems.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Helpneeded86


    Can they be overcome?

    Plate change to Northern Ireland is shown on the HPI in 2019.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 Jemser2022


    hi yea hope this helps once the car was registered

    In the ni before 21 and stayed in a Registered Ni owners hands you should me good 👍

    dosent mater if it shows new change of owners ship in 2023 once it was that person lived in Northern Ireland and stayed there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 523 ✭✭✭Helpneeded86


    That makes sense of course. Only thing is it is not clear on the VRT website how I can prove this?



  • Registered Users Posts: 32 ian123


    on your description it appears that you paid Beck Evans the UK VAT inclusive price and they refunded you the UK VAT on receipt of a copy of the Irish VLC.

    did you pay 23% VAT on top of the UK VAT inclusive price or on the UK VAT exclusive price of the car when you presented the car for registration in Ireland?

    Their website is great - but talks a lot about non-EU exports, with very little (that I could find) specifically on EU Exports (ie over to Ireland). probably need to contact them directly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 671 ✭✭✭fm


    They issued me 2 invoices,1 including vat and 1 excluding vat that I supplied to revenue.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Nobody done the VAT / import duty paperwork themselves?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998


    I think only registered customs agents can do customs declarations. Its very complicated anyway and the price of the customs broker is minuscule compared to the price of the car, freight, VAT, VRT etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    I was told that by friends who regularly import cars from the UK and that sounded unconstitutional to me. So I checked. You can do it yourself. I'm just looking into it, only emailed customs a few hours ago and they have already issued me with an EORI. Although they did at first recommend I use a broker, but I insisted on doing it myself. No idea how complex it is. But if there are brokers asking just a few hundred quid for this service, it can't be all that complex, can it? 😂

    Car was originally manufactured in the UK, that means no import duty is due, only VAT. Which is a pleasant surprise, I didn't know that. From Revenue website:

    I went over to get it myself, so transport cost was only a few hundred and it is over 30 years old so VRT is a fixed €200. Car isn't that valuable so only have a VAT bill here. Trying to keep the cost down here!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Well done! it's great to see someone doing it themselves. And good to know it's possible when it comes around for me to purchase my next car. I remember doing 2 vrt appeals and it wasn't too bad. Let us know how you get on.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998


    It only takes my customs broker 10 minutes to do a declaration for me but there are loads of different commodity codes and inputs in to the SAD document. Looks very confusing to me. For the sake of €80 I leave it up to him.

    The 0% import duty is great and all but you have to prove to Revenue that it was built in the UK which may require a letter from the manufacturer. Luckily you can still declare it as a collectible item being 30 years old so theres no customs duty regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    The VIN shows country of manufacturer. There is a 3 digit code for the manufacturer and single digit code for the plant where the car was actually made



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65,936 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    Not quite there yet, but it doesn't look all that difficult to me. Famous last words 😂

    I'd say once you have done one of these successfully, the next one would also only take 10 minutes. You are doing this all the time as a business, @User1998. Why pay someone else for it and just add unnecessary waiting time and cost into the process?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,844 ✭✭✭Fann Linn


    Hi lads, just looking for some advice. My wife has the Primary Medical certificate down here as a passenger. It's almost time now that we start looking around again for a change of car and I was just wondering if the VAT/VRT exemption also applies if we were to purchase a car from NI or through the Motability sites in the north.

    I know how the scheme works here just not sure if it's also applicable in NI.

    Thanks.



  • Registered Users Posts: 32 ian123


    this might be useful for those looking at VAT Qualifiying imports.

    After examining various VAT Qualifying options, and working through some numbers on different vehicles, I noticed that I could multiply the UK VAT inclusive price (in GBP) by x1.3 to get close to the final EUR cost (inc. IE VAT & IE Customs Duty)

    For example, a UK £30,000 VAT Qualifying car would cost ~€39,000 (after paying IE VAT & IE Customs Duty and receiving the UK VAT refund).

    Obviously, the UK VAT refund would not be refunded immediately, so another multiplier of x1.5 would cover the total outlay while waiting for the refund ( e.g. ~€44,750 on the example UK £30,000 VAT Qualifying car)

    these are based on a GBP/EUR FX rate of 1.17, and do NOT include any VRT costs or middle-man costs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998


    Close, but not perfect.

    £30,000 (20% VAT) = £25,000
    £25,000 x 1.17 = €29,250
    €29,250 x 1.353 = €39,575

    And you also need to add in freight costs and add the additional import duties on top of that. So the total amount will come to over €40,000

    (1.353 is a shortcut for doing 10% customs and 23% VAT btw)

    I think if you used a multiplier of 1.33 it would be more accurate? I tested it out on a £10,000 car and its close enough give or take a couple of hundred



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 nevo1footy


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 nevo1footy


    I am buying an all electric vehicle from Northern Ireland and importing to republic. My understanding is no VRT on this car as you get a 5000 euro credit limit but have also read that no VAT or customs excise are due either as car was first registered in Northern Ireland and has been used there since 2021. My question is I am familiar with booking a VRT appointment at an NCT centre but to avail of no VAT etc is there a form to get or another appointment with customs to go to?? and I heard and read about new rules at end of month where no VAT will be. charged.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users Posts: 5 nevo1footy


    thanx for reply it’s as easy as that is it? Just asking is it from personal experience? I was onto revenue and NCT and finally revenue customs policy contact and was really still none the wiser as regards VAT and customs duty in terms of a definitive answer as they just quoted what was written on website with one saying the wording wasn’t too clear! I think if car was first registered in NI then no VAT but you have to prove it and I assume v5c log book will do that.



  • Registered Users Posts: 29 sirdeclan


    Previous posts above suggest that there are new rules (April 2024) now regarding a UK origin vehicle if registered in Northern Ireland for a "reasonable period of time" then it will not be subject to 10% customs levy and the 23% vat.

    Does it matter when the vehicle was re-registered in Northern Ireland or when it was taken from the UK?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,572 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    I'd imagine it will be a check to see if the car was in private ownership in NI for a reasonable period of perhaps 6 months.



  • Registered Users Posts: 5 nevo1footy


    cheers all done today only had to pay a small tyre charge e11



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 BalticBear


    Hi all,

    Thinking of buying a salvaged car from Copart UK.
    Happy enough with the VRT requirements, but my question is on the V5c, most cars do not come with them.

    On the previous posts, reregistration of the V5c can be done for 150e, by some company.

    What happens with VRT, if the car does not have a V5c? Say it takes 8 weeks for it to be received.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998


    You pay a 0.1% fine every day over 30 days. Or maybe its 1%. The info is available on Revenue website.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Its definitely free to apply for a v5 and a simple process. You paid €150 for this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998


    You have to be a UK resident to apply for a V5 logbook. I’ve paid for this too in the past.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 BalticBear


    How does Revenue determine when the vehicle enters the country? If it's coming from Northern Ireland? There is no Ferry date etc?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 BalticBear


    Nope, just considering it. A nice selection of hybrids/electric up North. No friends or family in the UK, so I think this may be the only option.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Last time I bought a car in the UK I got the v5c sent to my cousins house in the UK and then got sent on here.

    Then I sent the export part back to the DVLA.

    That was 2019 so probably changed since then.

    What do the guys you pay do that one can't do themselves??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Sorry I meant to say who paid.

    Could you use one of the virtual postage address companies. There are companies that give you an Northern Ireland or UK address. One of them being postal pickup.co.uk

    Is there a copart in the North?



  • Registered Users Posts: 10 BalticBear


    Saw that one of the lads used "EMK Transport".

    I am sure you can, depends on how lenient the DVLA is.

    One in Belfast, but I think you'd get caught with a VRT fine over 30 days. Take you 6 - 8 weeks to get a new V5c.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 563 ✭✭✭RCSATELLITES


    Didn't know there was one in Belfast thanks for that.

    I got the fine for my wife's car (Cat N) back in 2018. The car had only 2000km on it so had to drive up and down the motorway for a while to get it over the 6000km to not pay vat.

    The fine was only €200 (0.1% on the vrt due) was better to pay that than the €2500 vat, they would of wanted.

    But that was from mainland UK.

    I think for the north the only thing to show "when you brought it into the country" could be the invoice date.

    The v5c I got sent to my cousins only took a week and a half for my car (Cat N no v5c supplied) I bought it in 2019. So I think the 6 to 8 weeks is worst case scenario.

    Also the 30 days kicks in when "brought into country" park it up the north for a while 🫣

    The things we have to do to buy a car 😂



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998


    No, you can’t use a postal address for a V5.



  • Registered Users Posts: 2 DarrenRob


    Hello there,

    Looking to buy a Ford Ranger atleast 2020 from the north. I have been trying to research what is needed to VRT and is there any other hidden costs since brexit on top of the actual VRT charge etc

    Finding it very hard to find definitive answers in regards to what documents is needed to VRT a Ford Ranger as commercial.

    If anyone could help with any information about the above that would be great!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 265 ✭✭Danny healy ray




  • Registered Users Posts: 15 gracepeters


    I would like to buy a Toyota Verso from Northern Ireland. What do i need to do please? Anyone could help with any information about what i need to do?



  • Registered Users Posts: 3 Harman9948


    Has anyone any recent experience with VRT on a BMW 430d? I'm getting quotes from Revenue that are significantly higher than previous VRT discussed on this thread.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭mcw92


    Find one you want

    Check if it is Vat/Customs exempt - pretty much if it was registered in NI first and never in mainland, or if it has been in NI since before 2021.

    That is changing to in NI for a reasonable amount of time from May 1st, however that is probably 6+ months anyways.

    Once you have one,double check and ensure you can prove it was in NI for how long you say (registered owner on V5C, MOT certs, Insurance Certs etc.). The dealer may help you prove it if they are decent.

    If not, you'll pay the customs/vat charge. This may make it pointless buying up north at all compared to here with that cost added on.

    Buy it. If paying by card, try revolut or similar to avoid card foreign currency fees.

    Insure it on UK plates.

    Book with NCT centre for VRT registration within 30 days (fined every day for over that).

    Pay the VRT and NOX charge (the Used cars site will tell you an estimate). Also use the VRT estimate on Revenue website for your own research before hand.

    If it's higher than expected, dispute it with your own evidence of cheaper VRT rate.

    Buy Irish plates once registered.

    Tax it.

    Switch Insurance to Irish plates.

    Done.

    https://www.usedcarsni.com/search_results.php?make=30&model=17113590&keywords=&fuel_type=0&trans_type=0&age_from=0&age_to=0&price_from=0&price_to=0&user_type=0&mileage_to=0&body_style=0&location%5B%5D=0&location%5B%5D=0&homepage_search_attr=1&tab_id=0&search_type=1



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭mcw92


    Is it XDrive? I seen that drive up the VRT price of BMWs when I was checking recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,348 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    VRT rates and VRT bands were changed by the Government in the last few years. VRT is now more expensive on diesel cars to discourage importing them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭mcw92


    Has anyone been able to figure out the new rules from May 1st yet?

    Importation of Motor Vehicles from the UK under the section 2nd hand vehicles purchased after 30th April 2024

    If I buy a car from NI dealer, which was imported from the UK, is there no need to pay the 23% vat anymore ?

    What about customs - if the dealer has declared it on import from UK, does that make me exempt from having to pay it too? Assuming I can prove that?

    Does the dealer pay up front to do that?

    Proof of customs declaration which clearly identifies both the specific vehicle and the date of import

    I know if the car is private sale, I just need to prove it was in NI for a reasonable time (I'm seeing 90 days, 180 days etc.) but I am not sure on a dealer.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭billgibney


    Heres something directly from revenue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,330 ✭✭✭User1998


    Would be nice if they specified how long a ‘reasonable’ amount of time is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,348 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    That vague or broad term gives them a wider scope for their interpretation of the rule.



  • Registered Users Posts: 175 ✭✭billgibney


    I rang and asked what reasonable meant

    They said at least 3 months used by someone up north.

    Its to cut out the practice of sliding when someone buys from GB to NI for reselling to the south.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,154 ✭✭✭cavan4sam


    Hi all. Looking at buying a northern car (northern since Jan 20) so fine for vrt...

    No customs or vat I assume

    Just wondering what's the best history check site for Northern Ireland?

    Also it was on personal plates will all the info show up on the original plate?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,400 ✭✭✭KillerShamrock


    Same as myself also do people get a NI mechanic to look over the car? And does it affect their insurance much buying a car from there?



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