2024 Irish EV Sales

no one wants to move from Dublin to portlaose. The only people who do are in the prison there.

Your are still doing an 8 hour day. You’ll just stay on site longer. So no time saved

Attend the AGM and raise a stink. I find that gets a reaction or at least is difficult for Mgt Company to ignore

I am a director and, anyone wanting to install a charger in the public parking area can do so - at their own cost and from and approved contractor so, that's not the issue. The Managing just comments that if we installed a charger at every parking spot we'd be overloaded.

No need to raise a stink.

And, again, even if I got an electric car and a charger which I had guaranteed access to, it would be on standard rates, not attaching to my home meter so I would end up paying more than I need to (as would anyone who installs) and, that is my point - as the spaces are not allocated anyone with an EV (or non EV) could use the space with the charger and in the case of EV owners, charge their vehicle so I am not even assured to have 100% use of it.

Allocation of specific spaces will be a big deal - this is the EV forum not the Private Estate forum so not going down that rabbit hole.

We passed a resolution to install chargers with a turnout of about 25 property owners. They're installed now, 18 of them, 3 banks of 6 chargers in underground car parks. Needed some upgrades on fire alarm system too.

They're not operational yet but are physically wired. The idea is they will be slightly higher than cost price and only owners with service charges fully paid will be given activation codes/cards whatever they use. The excess charges will go towards upkeep/management of the units and any further excess funds in time will go back into sinking fund to replenish the cost of installation.

We have about 150 units I think so 1 charger per 7 or 8 properties now. Defo don't have 18 EVs in the development yet but I have seen a few PHEVs.

Apparently there'll be an online booking system available for them in time and an overstay charge system too.

I wonder if they'll be 11kw or 7kw? Also not sure if there will be a night rate. I charge my EVs in work mainly but this is good to have anyway. And good for property valuations

Nail on head here. Unless public charging n/w is massively improved EV's will be unattainable for many

I can't make my own diesel at home though

I can’t park in garage , close the door , keep the engine on and not kill myself with an ICE.

Maybe if your back garden is called Kuwait

Not entirely sure who wants "mass adoption", the planet, govts, people. But that aside.

It would need more incentives to move more people to EV. Not just from Govt but manufacturers etc. I could list many but that's just be argued over.

Perhaps mass adoption is too ambitious in itself. At the moment I can't see an EV ever suiting more than 30-40% of people. With everything as it currently is.

I'm not sure what point you're making. People buy used EVs same as used ICE cars.

No one looking at saving money buys a new car.

the point is simply that there are 2.5m vehicles in the national fleet.
The only way to ‘move that fleet to BEV’ is via the new car market - second hand sales won’t change that ratio unless by some magic we change EU policy and can import cheap 2nd hand EVs.

We could sell 50% EV share of new cars for the next 30 years and we still wouldn’t get to 50% of the national fleet.

and all the while you’re relying on that small number of people who can afford a new car to drive those sales and adoption into the national fleet.

I’m just saying that reality doesn’t really align with government policy on BEVs

Not sure the confusion, It’s a pretty simple point - mass adoption of EVs only happens when the national fleet of vehicles is at a tipping point - not ‘x% of new car sales is an EV’.

If new car buyers in Ireland aren’t interested yet in EVs (but are buying the Yaris Cross by the thousand), and second hand buyers don’t seem keen either, then the national fleet will take decades to reach a tipping point.

As for Norway -

“As of the end of September 2023, full electric vehicles (BEVs) comprised 23.6% of Norway's total passenger vehicle fleet, with 675,500 units on the road”

Remember Norway got to that 23% with MASSIVE incentives, and ICE cars were always infinitely more expensive than here.

We’re easily 10-15 years away from getting to the same 23%

Simple solution is to increase VRT based on emissions by 50% every year until ice sales disappear 😝

Or bring in an emissions quota per manufacturer and cut it by 25% every year.

Only impacts new car buyers e.g. rich folks, no impact on lower income groups that don't buy new cars.

It would kill the political party bringing this in overnight. And rightly so as it's ridiculous. Plenty of lower income people buy new cars and the infrastructure is nowhere near to enable high levels of EV ownership in Ireland, be that the electricity grid, charging access or battery tech/range in lower cost models.