The Dominance of Dublin GAA *Mod warning post#1*

That would have little effect. Dublin would still be picking from the population of a province, would not generally have travelling expenses or travelling time for their players, would still play at home in big games and there would still be back door payments to all concerned.

I don't accept that definition of implicit vs explicit btw- explicitly would be something said vs implicitly would be something expressed via the argument, but not said.

You do not accept that definition of “in a way that is not directly expressed” and instead, submit your own definition of “something expressed, but not said”? Are you on drugs? That is the OED definition, by the way, might wanna take it up with them, seeing as you’re redefining the meaning of words to avoid admitting you were wrong.

They didn't say "we have the best volunteers".

Finally, there it is. So he didn’t say it, you were wrong to claim he said it, wrong to claim he implied it and were wrong again all those times that you claimed you weren’t wrong. Glad to finally put that to bed. Must be a load off your mind.

In what way levelled out - the funding figures you shared are over a 17 year period as a whole - and this shows Dublin ranked 10th out of 32 counties. This is not disproportionate or unfair at all.

As for the population - ah fair enough, that one really is a matter of opinion. I dont think there grounds for splitting the county on this basis, given what I believe is the massive disruption it would cause within Dublin. You see it a different way. Neither of us are going to be influencing any decision making on it so..

And I agree with you on Croke Park - however I'd say a bigger issue for the GAA is that they have a number of massive stadia around the country that are empty for 350 days of the year, actually Croke Park included.

Levelled out in the sense that Dublin were getting comparatively more on a per capita basis from say 2006-11 than 2018-23. Sadly the damage had been done then- but again, it is not just Games Development funding, sponsorship, Irish government funding etc is equally important. Money is money no matter who it comes from.

I agree nobody here is going to be influencing decision making! You see to comprehend that point; others like dunnerc and Yeah Right seem to think that because the argument has been won here on how Dublin are unfairly advantaged, and how splitting them helps the GAA in all counties, that the GAA will do it which makes them very riled- sadly, this is not the case, and there is no momentum for a split currently. But population is indeed a huge advantage- on its own by providing a higher quantity of top-tier players, even moreso when the money is there to develop them.

Re: Croke Park, I think maybe for semi-finals and things, given how few games sell out these days, it would be fair to move some Dublin games out of there, even without a split. But a split would be more important to help the GAA.

There's nothing to take up with them as I've been proved correct!

I can't admit I'm wrong because I'm not. My position is the same, you're trying to read into something that isn't there. He didn't say "We have the best volunteers". He didn't say "we have the best volunteers" explicitly. But talking only about coaches as a reason for success, when they are no better than in other counties, and writing off funding as a contributory factor is just wrong, dead wrong. Dublin's unfair funding advantage has been a big reason in their recent success- this has been repeatedly proven.

No, I'm right and you're wrong again; it doesn't say what you think it says. But as I said, while a useful learning experience for you, but not relevant to continue our discussion.

Read my previous posts on this to digest my unchanging, correct position. He didn't say "we have the best volunteers" explicitly. But talking only about coaches as a reason for success, when they are no better than in other counties, and writing off funding as a contributory factor is just wrong, dead wrong. Dublin's unfair funding advantage has been a big reason in their recent success- this has been repeatedly proven. That's it. End of discussion.

Your ego is preventing you from accepting this, but that doesn't make it any less true.

The dictionary doesn't say what you think it does- you didn't provide any links, probably because it undermines your argument. I did link a definition which completely vindicated my position, again. Again, useful for you to know, but really a side issue.

As I said before, my position is the same. For completeness what I said in my last post was "He didn't say "we have the best volunteers" explicitly. But talking only about coaches as a reason for success, when they are no better than in other counties, and writing off funding as a contributory factor is just wrong, dead wrong". I stand by that position, which has been consistent throughout.

You're projecting again it seems! You've repeatedly used my own arguments but with a few words reversed. Must have been the hallmarks of a failed argument as somebody once said! I find it funny sometimes, as I can see you are joking/trolling but do get a bit worried about how riled up you are getting as well. Just because Dublin are unfairly advantaged and should be split should not be a cause of such anger. If anything the non-Dublin neutrals should be the angry ones given how unfair the status quo is.

are you sure you really want to bring up the all sources of funding stuff when your own beloved Kerry have benefitted from a longer and more lucrative sponsorship deal than pretty much anyone else- another source of significant advantage they’ve enjoyed historically in Munster. Were you petitioning the Kerry county board back in the nineties to divvy some of it out to your neighbours? Were you fcuk. No doubt took it as an example of Kerry cuteness and innovation.

the ironic thing is if Mickos Kerry weren’t pulling a fast one with Adidas back in the day there probably would be a central view of sponsorship.

Well

the good news is that with the drop off in funding for Dublin in recent years, its really impacting the underage teams - U20 team beaten in Leinster Semi Final by Louth yesterday; they'll play the mighty Meath in the final.

It will be the fourth consecutive year of Dublin not winning it!!

But the thing is, the car companies do very well out of those cars - the cars that belong to Dublin players go for a big premium, I guess because the Dublin public are such big gaa fans. In other counties, the so-called lesser counties as the Sunday Game pundits like to say, the car buying public doesnt really care if the county team right half back was in the car for a year. But in Dublin, it means a lot.

Absolutely I want to focus on all sources of funding. And I want to focus on population. And I want to focus on playing at home. Taking all those things in combination (or even any one of them inidivually) we see again that Dublin again are uniquely unfairly advantaged vs everyone else. As I've said before it's not just one of these advantages individually- it's the unique combination, nature, scale and duration of advantages that Dublin enjoy in population, funding, playing at home etc. that means that Dublin should be split to benefit the game.

So while I am in favour of pooling sponsorship centrally from all counties, this is should be done after a split of Dublin. Given the unique combination of advantages that Dublin enjoy, and the damage that it is doing to the GAA (by far the biggest issue in the GAA), Dublin should be split first and then funding/provincials/any other matter can be addressed.

I'm glad you recognise what an advantage funding is though! It means you have realised how Dublin again are uniquely advantaged on this metric. And why they alone should be split.

I'm not sure I recognise that as "good news"- the inputs of population and funding advantages remain so even if Dublin don't win, they are still unfairly advantaged. That is my issue- I genuinely have no issue with a county winning, including Dublin, so long as they compete from a level playing field. Sadly, Dublin are definitely not competing from a fair platform, so win, lose or draw in the Seniors and U20s, they should still be split.

you mean soft jobs like emergency doctor (Jack McCaffery), physiotherapist (mick fitzsimmons, Brian Fenton), accountant (con o’callaghan). Soft jobs my arse, you’d want to be a bitter little soul to say those are soft jobs
don’t need to many garages either, last I heard Kellihers Toyota had a 5 year associate sponsorship deal with Kerry. I guess they’re just good……

and I’ll happily keep talking about Kerry as much as I like thanks very much, as long as bitter gerrymanderers keep using half truths and misinformation to pretend that football is grand apart from Dublin and to ignore the reality of the huge advantages certain other teams have benefitted from for over a century while telling us it was all grand.

de facto ! Is that the same as implicit over your way? (Btw ignoring something is not the same as addressing it)

no matter, once we move Dublin and Kerry into a Leinster/Munster rotation we’ll address the question of travelling for games effectively, while also removing some of Kerry’s Munster advantages. We may need to have the GAA provide a grant for Parnell park upgrade but hey, money well spent. May even start to get Kerry fans going to games again given they seem to be jaded with the ease of Munster right now.

I’m glad you’re finally behind the proposal

Subaru would have gone under years ago if it wasn't for the Dublin footballers