Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Interesting commentary and very much similar to Enoch Powell.

@JupiterKid said

'Islam cannot and will not integrate in Western countries.'

I gave two examples where this was untrue. I could give more. In science, an axiom becomes untrue if it can be broken. What @jupiterkid said is untrue.

There could well be a tipping point as you say where the culture changes against LGBT if for example a large number of anti homosexual religious zealout Israeli's became the majority.

That conversation you regurgitated has nothing to do with my post.

I know many Muslims who have integrated well into Irish society and thus that disproves @jupiterkid Islamophobic statement.

And you believe that in certain countries everybody thinks the same ?

Youre.suggesting that some countries and their people are beneath us, and that we ban everyone from those countries from coming to Ireland. You see what youre saying yeah?

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No, I don't think everyone thinks the same. Nor do I think we should "ban everyone from those countries from coming to Ireland". And no, I don't think people with different values are beneath anyone.

This isn't the first time you have attempted to misrepresent my position.

What I am arguing is fairly straightforward — that certain values are incompatible. Gay rights and women's rights are fundamentally incompatible with homophobic attitudes and misogyny. Unfortunately some countries in the world are overrepresented with opinions that are opposed to both and so we have to ask the question: why would we want to increase the risk of importing those values into this country?

Therefore because I am living in a country where we have spent decades fighting for women's rights and gay rights, it makes no sense to me, on any level, to increase the population of people opposed to both.

And I speak as a gay person myself.

What I am espousing is a wholly liberal position; in that I want this country to retain those rights and safety / protection.

FYI, there is a block function.

These appalling conditions the asylum seekers are living in isn't creating any fuss from the do gooders. Amazing.

and when we raised the living conditions as a reason to stop a centre, we are told its just a smokescreen for our racism.

What I asked was a legitimate question. If you don't want to answer the question, that's fine.

But it's very obvious to me — that I would rather liberally minded people who support gay rights and women's rights etc. from New York or Massachusetts enter this country — than people from more conservative states that actively dislike, or are opposed to, either.

It's very straightforward. Liberal countries do not socially benefit from mass immigration from people from countries where socially conservative views prevail.

It's almost axiomatic, it's obvious.

The other actions were not in my original discussion at all only the burning of the Quran .

Not the response .

When that was brought up I agreed that that was wrong also .

Don't know what path you are still trying to force me to take here .

MMy 'argument ' is that you don't answer questions, so not sure why you think anyone should answer yours!

I'm confused, you've given the Philippines as an example of a country from which people have integrated well. Yet it's clearly a very socially conservative country.

Abortion, divorce and same sex marriage are all illegal and while some indications show the country becoming more tolerant of LGBTQ communities, others point to deep seated prejudice.

In the same survey, 43% of respondents believe that AIDS is a sickness of gays and lesbians, and 40% of respondents agreed that if there was a gay or lesbian member of their family, they would like them to change and become straight.

https://www.npr.org/2023/06/28/1184968364/in-the-philippines-a-survey-shows-growing-support-for-gays-and-lesbians

It's a good question.

In Ireland, we have had Filipino immigration and it has been a net positive. There's no doubt about that.

Unfortunately with mass immigration, it means that anyone can enter the country, for any reason, at any time. It's uncontrolled. Take a look at Sweden. It went from one of the safest countries in Europe to one of the most dangerous in Europe, very quickly. And that was a direct consequence of mass immigration. It wasn't due to a sudden increase in indigenous Swedish crime, nor was it due to a sudden increase in Filipino nurses.

In other words, what you quoted proves my point.

Immigration is a good thing, but we need to control it; to ensure that we don't end up like Sweden; that we can capitalize on migration to further our economic and social goals whilst at the same time mitigating against the risks that negative migration can, and does, pose.

There was a former poster on this site who referred to immigrants as "human cargo".

As a new liberal poster like yourself would you disagree with that term and how much it dehumanizes other people?

I think they even tried and one stage they tried to slur a Man Utd footballer for doing some charity work.

I'm sure you can agree that is not very liberal and more like someone who was brainwashed by an outlet like GB news for example?

VIdeos of so called protesters outside the home of Roderic O'Gorman again.

Would any other European country accept this?

Roderic, who clearly should have resigned after the referendums fiasco and the appalling conditions asylum seekers are living in, still shouldn't have to endure this rubbish from out of work wasters.

Another excellent report from NT's Barry Whyte on the PK radio show this morning talking about increasing the fines for airlines delivering passport trashers/system gamers to the country. Interesting stats re the percentages too

https://www.goloudplayer.com/episodes/fines-for-airlines-who-fail-to-p-ZmJlMjUwMjAzMzFlM2M5MjNlYTkyZTJhNzI2Zjc4YzA%3D

I said it before, forget the fines - New policy: Immigration officers board plane at disembarking area - They request passport from seated pax on the plane. If passport is presented, the pax is allowed to leave the plane. No passport presented, the pax stays on the plane and is refused access to Irish soil. Airlines wouldn't long about getting their act together with that policy in place

The key to this of course is letting the people who plan on a bit of passport trashing/hiding know of this policy before taking the flight in the first place - This is not quantum physics (although it may still be beyond our incredibly well paid TD's, advisers and civil servants)