World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Files

It's starting.

It's the beginning of the end.

Do we have a sense of how many Irish parents allowed their children to receive puberty blockers?

Are these people completely stupid?

What’s the difference between what I wrote, and what you wrote?

It’s why the few headballs formed the LGB Alliance, because they felt they weren’t being given the respect they felt they were owed. I mean, they were right in the sense that they weren’t given any respect, but that was because of their opinions, not because of their sexual orientation.

Mine was more a summary I guess 🤔

I think the figure was 200 or so if I recall a report from the HSE correctly. Oh and all paid for by the Treatment Abroad Scheme - I.e. us taxpayers.

The HSE said fewer than 10 patients at Children’s Hospital Ireland are receiving puberty blockers.

https://www.irishtimes.com/health/2024/04/10/hse-to-consider-uks-cass-review-on-gender-as-part-of-healthcare-update-informed-by-best-evidence/#:~:text=The%20Cass%20Review%2C%20published%20on,toxicity%E2%80%9D%20of%20the%20trans%20debate.

It’s neither all paid for by the Treatment Abroad Scheme, nor is it paid for by ‘us’, the taxpayer. It’s funded by public funds, same as every other treatment available on the public healthcare system, and that’s not even touching on the conditions to qualify for the Treatment Abroad Scheme which, thankfully parents, regardless of whether they are taxpayers or not, or their children who aren’t old enough yet to be eligible to pay tax, are not paying for it.

Opinions like that remind me of the woman who complained that abortion services were being provided for in the public healthcare system, yet she couldn’t get a new electric wheelchair for her son. I couldn’t be arsed pointing out to her the fact that one has nothing to do with the other, both services are chronically underfunded, all services are, because it’s the public healthcare system. Taxpayers benefit from it far, far more, than those who are not yet taxpayers.

I've seen this story play out again and again.

I could see fathers telling their sons “I don’t care, you’re STILL not leaving this house in that dress!”

Seen that story play out again and again too.

Some of us understand nuance, others do not.

It’s why I specifically referred to the headballs who set up the LGB Alliance and why, as opposed to suggesting that they had anything in common other than their opinions and the belief that they weren’t getting the respect they felt they were entitled to for their opinions.

It’s difficult to describe anyone who could come out with this sort of nonsense as anything oher than a headball. I’ve tried, but lesbians, to the best of my knowledge anyway, are not facing extinction 😒

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2020/12/25/lesbians-facing-extinction-transgenderism-becomes-pervasive/

You reckon they understand nuance?

Gay men and lesbians who aren't sexually interested in people of the opposite sex and who object to being pressured and coerced into accepting them as sexual partners are now "headballs".( And let's be honest, it's mainly the lesbians who are being pressured into accepting males as partners, what a shock 🙄) This stance would have been in no way controversial a decade ago.

Well, there does appear to be 5 lesbians missing from this lesbian rugby team…

They broke away because they got stonewalled, basically is what happened. They felt they weren’t being listened to, and they were absolutely right.

That's not quite the case. It does sound like the typical Irish fudge though.

Schools will be expected to follow learning outcomes detailed in the document, even if they believe it clashes with their ethos. More latitude, however, will be given to schools in the detail of how these issues are taught and the resources used.

One of the learning outcomes says students should be able to “recognise the factors and influences that shape young people’s self-identity, such as family, peers, culture, gender identity, sexual orientation, race/ethnic background, disabilities, religious beliefs/world-views.”

"gender identity" with no mention of sex. Are they saying sex has no influence over identity? And what about social media? Does that not have any influence on young people's sense of identity? This document is clearly biased and written from one perspective only.

Though I see it was changed to remove the reference to gender being a "spectrum". Does that mean gender is binary again? "Cisgender" was taken out as well. How can you describe the new concept of gender without terms like cisgender (whether people agree with them or not)? Sounds like a bit of horse-trading with language went on, conceding a few things here and there, but that's not how a school curriculum should be developed. We can't be pushing the old religion out of schools on one hand, while bringing a new kind of secular faith in on the other. It's too contested and incoherent.

It's not "transphobic" to follow nor to trust medical advice.

Medical advice changes over time. When better evidence surfaces, the recommendations and protocols change accordingly.

Medicine is fluid in that respect. Once upon a time, ranitidine (Zantac) was widely recommended for the treatment of acid reflux. Clinicians at the time were "following the recommendations" of the research of the medicine. However, as recently as 2019, it was established that ranitidine is carcinogenic (cancer causing), and so the medicine was discontinued a year later.

Clinicians would have been violating their duty to "first, do no harm" by ignoring this evidence. Medicine exists within a framework where it evolves over time according to the best available evidence.

That's the way it has always been and the way it should be.

Political ideology has no place in medicine.

As for the "recommendations of clinical staff as happened for years", take a look at what psychiatrists and psychologists have said on the matter i.e. those working at Mermaids and Tavistock. They were aghast at the standards applied, and the complete disregard for protocol. It was all about affirmation, affirmation, affirmation — no matter what. It was dangerous nonsense, and it was rightly called out in the end. Of course, it was often due to the healthcare professional's fears of being labelled as "transphobic" for wanting to help patients in the right way.

If in the future the best available evidence conclusively establishes that giving puberty blockers to children is completely harmless, then yes — the recommended advice may very well change. But until that time, we should exercise extreme caution given the risks to children that the Cass Report and many other reports have documented. This isn't controversial, it's common sense — and it's the same attitude we apply to every other single aspect of medicine.

The "expertise" you refer to doesn't exist. It never has existed. This was experimental medicine to begin with.

Mermaids and Tavistock both failed in their duty of care towards children. Is this the expertise you are referring to?

Clinics across Europe have similarly had to upgrade their protocols away from the rush-them-through, affirmation model. Is this the expertise you are referring to?

No, Dr Cass' report speaks for itself. Other researchers can work through the evidence for themselves. If there are any inconsistencies with the research, then new research can counter it. Until then, we have no reason to dismiss the report. That's how academic research works. We can't casually dismiss evidence we don't like.

But we have every reason to dismiss the legitimate bias that some people have against the report because it misaligns with their ideological perspective. That is the most suspect bias of them all.

Put another way, if the Cass Report backed up the views of activists, they wouldn't be making the same points they are today. It's all about what is expedient to their own interests and their own interests first.

The consideration and duty of care toward children is always held secondary.

As I said, this was experimental medicine to begin with. Therefore, you had clinicians who opted for one treatment path (immediate, unquestioning affirmation), and other clinicians who opted for a different treatment path (cautious).

What the Cass Report does is zoom out to the bigger picture to establish the evidence-base of both.

It establishes that those clinicians (the "experts", as you call them) rushing children through to affirmation were actively harming children. Those clinicians that were more cautious have been shown to have been correct.

Now, a protocol can exist to ensure no more children are harmed.

What are you saying isn’t quite the case plodder? Just so I’m clear on what you’re saying. I just don’t want to be putting words in your mouth or making assumptions.

There being no mention of sex in the article doesn’t mean there’s no mention of of sex in the curriculum, there’s a whole glossary of terms, and I’ve no doubt teachers will do a stellar job as always in delivering exactly the curriculum which the schools board of management agrees on in line with their relationships and sex education policy. You can read the whole document for yourself here and see what you make of it yourself, it was developed in consultation with a number of stakeholders, so everyone still has equal opportunity to claim it’s biased:

https://www.curriculumonline.ie/junior-cycle/short-courses/sphe/sphe-2023/rationale-and-aim/

You can read the Bishops take on RSE In Catholic schools here:

https://catholiceducation.ie/wp-content/uploads/2022/03/RSE-Post-Primary-Schools-Republic-of-Ireland.pdf

“A new kind of secular faith” though? The old religion isn’t being pushed out at all, it’s not interfering with the old religion in any way, shape or form whatsoever. There’s no new “secular faith”replacing anything. It’s just updating the curriculum to reflect modern Irish society, that’s all. Schools will still have ultimate responsibility and control over what is, and isn’t, delivered in their schools in accordance with the ethos of the school, though I don’t imagine too many will be going this far to attempt to provide “balance”:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/education/parents-vow-to-withdraw-children-from-sex-education-class-given-by-catholic-group-1.3908704

No, I don’t know what possessed them either 😒

But Atheist Ireland does a good write-up on it if you’re interested? I’d be lying if I were to suggest it’s unbiased, but you’ll figure it out for yourself anyways:

https://atheist.ie/2023/07/new-guidelines-for-catholic-sex-education-during-curriculum-sphe-atheist-ireland-writes-to-minister/