World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) Files

Jack Daw

More evidence emerges that prove that the practice of transgender medicine is neither scientific nor medical and that people have jumped the gun to quickly and that warnings from people about gender transitioning particularly of younger people were 100% valid.

More proof that activism in recent years has trumped concern for patients.

<Rant about moderation snipped>

https://twitter.com/shellenberger/status/1764799914918490287

Shoog

An anti-transgender activist produces a paper of selective quotes against transgenderism, what a surprise.

About the report author - this is not reporting this is militant activism;

https://www.transgendermap.com/issues/topics/media/mia-hughes/

No doubt you'll generate the controversy you want with this though.

timmyntc

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121859906#Comment_121859906

Attack the substance if you can, rather than dismiss on account of an author.

Unless of course you can't counter it, which explains why you have posted what you have

Jim2007

When someone relies on X or Twitter or whatever it's called now for their source of information, all it tells us is that they are easily led and not to be taken seriously.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860063#Comment_121860063

Yes, but it's just been published on X/Twitter, the source of the information is not twitter , the source is internal files from the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH).The way most mainstream media outlets have gone these days Twitter/X is really no less or more reliable than any of them.Also I'd suggest reading the content of what was posted not judging it based on where it was published.

Shoog

The report is not linked to and the source material is not available.

Boggles

What is Environmental Progress?

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860307#Comment_121860307

An anti-trans front NGO. Call yourself something totally unrelated and innocuous to deflect the underlying reality.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860302#Comment_121860302

The source material is there, you can see videos of the discussions they're having.

This is material leaked directly from WPATH

Shoog

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860413#Comment_121860413

The report mentioned in X isn't event linked to. Thats fairly **** poor, almost as if they think reporting the outrage would be enough for their target audience.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860413#Comment_121860413

There is 241 page document published by "Environmental Progress", as well as various other files.

I assume you have read all documents including the source documents and findings?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860374#Comment_121860374

What is with the absolute obsession with Trans people the past few years?

It's beyond creepy.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860307#Comment_121860307

Seems legit to me: the front page has a number of environmental projects. There's also a California group working on the Fentanyl scandal there. The WPATH files don't seem to be particularly highlighted at all:

https://environmentalprogress.org/

But of course shooting the messenger is always so much simpler than dealing with the issue itself.

I had to do a search for the WPATH files, but here they are with direct links:

https://environmentalprogress.org/big-news/wpath-files?rq=WPATH

So anyone who's claiming the original files aren't linked to is just wrong. I'm sure they'll all immediately look at them so we won't have to reply on tweets from people like Gerald Posner (who has written exposés into, among other things, the US Oxycontin scandal and the Sackler family's role in it).

https://twitter.com/geraldposner/status/1764809524760686640?s=20

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860567#Comment_121860567

Seems legit to me

Really?

It looks like a lobbying front for the nuclear and fracking industry.

'Solar killed 30 Turtles'

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860643#Comment_121860643

So now it's not an anti trans NGO masquerading as an environmental group, but a pro fossil fuels group masquerading as an environmental group.

That's progress I suppose. 😄

What they actually say about themselves is that they show case a wide ranging group of opinions, rather than push a single "authorised" view. It's surprising to me how controversial an idea that is for some people.

ENVIRONMENTAL PROGRESS INCUBATES IDEAS, LEADERS, AND MOVEMENTS FOR NATURE, PEACE, AND FREEDOM FOR ALL. 

Our work consists of cutting-edge, independent, and nonpartisan research, organizing, and grant-making to defend and strengthen the pillars of civilization.

Anyway, now that we've established that they are NOT just an anti trans NGO masquerading as an environmentalist group, and that they have done that shocking thing of making to information on WPATH available for anyone to consult, maybe you'd put aside how much you dislike differences of opinion being allowed to be expressed for the moment and consider the information the WPATH leaks have put into the public domain?

Things like doctors seriously looking for information as to whether it's okay for a man to take viagra while he is "breastfeeding" a baby thanks to a cocktail of drugs, at least one of which is known to cause heart problems and to pass into breast milk?

When women are breastfeeding they're told not to take aspirin FFS, and not to eat cabbage, never mind drink alcohol - but unless there's actual data about the risks of giving viagra to babies, the default position is to try to enable the man to do this??

Why? It's obviously not about the baby's best interests. It's about "validating" a man's feelings. In fact the proof that they know he's a man is that a woman would never be allowed prioritise her feelings and "need for validation" over the baby's needs. Never.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860513#Comment_121860513

I'd argue that having children and adolescents undergo life changing procedures at such a young age is infinitely more creepy.

If some activity/behaviour etc suddenly becomes more common it is perfectly acceptable to question why this has happened.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860743#Comment_121860743

It seems to be culture wars group.

Who funds them?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860745#Comment_121860745

But you havn't questioned it, you have come to a conclusion based on a tweet.

I assuming since you didn't answer my question,

I assume you have read all documents including the source documents and findings?

The answer is no.

So how is good faith unbiased debate even possible?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860743#Comment_121860743

I have no idea what they are, that's why I asked.

They would be some culture war lobby. Which is always a red flag. Along with the website.

Where does the funding come from??

CatFromHue

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860763#Comment_121860763

Safe and effective medicine is not a culture war item, it's the very basis of medicine. There's some very good reasons why the Cass review in the UK advised not to follow the WPATH guidelines and the same goes for any health body that's done a systematic review of the evidence behind the standards of care issued by WPATH.

I haven't read all of the document but of the bit I have there's some serious questions asked here about any Doctor in Ireland having anything to do with the WPATH.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860779#Comment_121860779

I haven't come to that conclusion based on a tweet .I have come to the conclusion based on the videos of meetings WPATH have had, pictures of documents they have produced which is contained within that tweet.

It is not as if something has been tweeted and nothing has been produced to back it up.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860796#Comment_121860796

I assume you have read all documents including the source documents and findings?

So that is a hard no?

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860795#Comment_121860795

I never suggested it was.

chopperbyrne

Direct link to the PDF for anyone who wants it: https://static1.squarespace.com/static/56a45d683b0be33df885def6/t/65e6d9bea9969715fba29e6f/1709627904275/U_WPATH+Report+and+Files.pdf

Overheal

Oh look a transgender panic thread based from a trans panic account on Twitter sharing trans panic conspiracy theories. Better sit down for this

Shield

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860826#Comment_121860826

Move over a tad. Popcorn?

archfi

I sincerely hope readers of this thread can see who and what the ideological authoritarians are, I mean it's quite obvious 'shoot the messenger' is the height of their intellectual prowess.

Annasopra

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860513#Comment_121860513

It's obsessive hysterical trans bashing and fearmongering about a tiny miniscule percent of the population who harm nobody by existing.

Trans people in Ireland have legally existed since 2015. The sky hasn't fallen in. The world hasn't ended.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860788#Comment_121860788

Yes, sorry I got confused who I was replying to: it wasn't you said "An anti-trans front NGO. Call yourself something totally unrelated and innocuous to deflect the underlying reality."

Why do you think they're a culture war lobby, and more importantly, what does it really matter considering they have made the source material available to all to judge for themselves? Is the source material now itself dependent on who has put it out there??

IOW, can we discuss the actual issues, rather than badmouth the people who've made it available for public scrutiny? That seems very much like shooting the messenger.

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860861#Comment_121860861

Who the messenger is and what the messengers motivations are is completely pertinent before I would even consider reading 100s of page of documents.

That doesn't make one Authoritarian.

I'm going to go out and limb here and suggest you haven't read them either?

But but but, messenger, something, something...

Boggles

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121860904#Comment_121860904

Well again, I'm not reading 100s of pages from a group that raises on visual inspection numerous read flags. Nuclear Great, Solar kills Turtles. It's hardly a well of unbiased prose is it?

I assume you have read the 241 page document and all the associated other documents provided?