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Increase in road deaths - RTE tonight at 9:35pm

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Yeah… except they don't, and it's a childish threat.

    I'm well in favour of red light cameras. It would stop nonsense like this:



  • Registered Users Posts: 828 ✭✭✭Juran


    Poor drivers, ie not aware of surroundings.

    Poor drivers going too slow causing drivers behind to take silly risks.

    Irish roads - more motorways required, and road upgrade with hardshoulders required.

    Regional roads with huge traffic volumes on narrow bendy roads, narrow bridges, etc.

    National roads nstead of motorways or dual carragieways. No barriers in the middle to protect the opposide side when a vechicle veres across the road.

    And finally, speed without having full.control.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    The only people that do are GDPR people and the Legal Eagles out there. The process is so cumbersome and fraught with consequence that it's easier just not to share the data, which they are legally entitled to do. So that's what they do, regardless of what the intention in setting it (GDPR) up was.

    Firstly, I'm not a legal eagle but I have read up on GDPR and by-and-large, it is quite straightforwards.
    The core concept is that you do not share personal data. So the excuse from the RSA that you cannot share details of collisions because of GDPR is really quite pathetic bcause they wouold not have been sharing any personal details anyhow. Road engineers don't need the names, address, phone numbers, reg plates or whatever of the people involved in a collision. They need collision locations (not personal data), collision types (not personal data), collision date/times (not personal data) and so on.

    But don't believe me. Sure didn't Prime Time get a statement from the DPC's office stating that GDPR would not be an issue is the data provided was anonymised.

    But you'd think that the cretins in the RSA would have consulted with the DPC on this before they just used GDPR as a really pathetic excuse!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    How does your phone tell whether you're the driver or passenger in a car?

    Pokemon Go does this now, it detects if you're moving over a certain speed and disables most of the game functions. But it obviously can't tell whether you're a driver or passenger, so it's just disabled regardless.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    I agree, bad driving like following someone through a red light without paying attention to the lights should be punished. I'm all for punishing bad driving, the point I'm making is that speeding is blamed for the majority of accidents and its undeserved when we see daily the standard of driving (of actually being in control of the car) is shockingly bad. We are now at a point where speed limits are ridiculously low, and going a few k over in safe conditions is completely acceptable to me, and personally I would be very unhappy at some Karen who decides otherwise.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Are you going to administer those "stitches", internet hard man?

    Just the sort of childish attitude that a lot of drivers have now.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    It's phone use that is the number one issue. Everyone who drives knows it. I've given in going out and about in Dublin at certain hours on my motorbike because of it. Modern cars with those huge tablet style screens are a joke also and should be banned in the EU.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    Automatic ban, car taken and crushed, licence revoked. Phone use would drop off a cliff over night but it won't be done because government don't want to solve the problem or more importantly lose votes as so many voters use their phone whilst driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    It was said in jest, but if you are willing to fcuk around and find out then go right ahead, only too happy



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 680 CMod ✭✭✭✭LIGHTNING




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 771 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    Driving his E Scooter on the wrong side of the road head on into a car on a unlit road at 11pm



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,052 ✭✭✭erlichbachman


    So true, I’ve never seen a goose that needed a reality check, but my cv would be full of people like yourself



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    You should be preparing yourself to be very unhappy with Garda Karen and Justice Karen so. They'll be the ones giving you penalty point and fines.

    Then you can get really pi$$ed with Insurance Karen for doubling the cost of your policy at renewal.

    How many points will it take for the penny to drop that it's your own fault, not the Karens?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    vanilla error



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    No one is caused to take silly risks by a slow driver. Those who take silly risks are responsible for their own actions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There is no cut off date for GDPR.

    It's not vague, but it is, like most regulations, generalised. It doesn't tell every business exactly what to do in every circumstance.

    That doesn't mean that you can put anything you like in your policy, as the very large fines issued to Meta and others confirm.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    No I just expect you or I or anyone else to be prepared to stand over your allegations in person if you report someone. That means being able to be identified if a process of prosecution follows. Justice has to be seen to be done properly in public.

    No one should be hiding behind the idea that they can just report some other citizen on the QT. That's a snitch.

    So don't be an online snitch, if you have a problem, best to take your evidence down to the Garda station and present it there. As required currently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,934 ✭✭✭Economics101


    Do we have data on what % of fatalities occur (a) after dark, (b) on local and regional roads? My impression is that a lot of serious accidents are single-vehicle, late-night ones. Much of the enforcement seems to be on National Primary roads and Motorways in daylight hours. Motorways in particular are much safer than other roads so extra enforcement would not be very effective there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Yes, look at the research reports on the RSA website.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,510 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    doesn't work for the gardai though - they want to be able to say 'we checked the speed of 50,000 vehicles yesterday' and you're not going to get to that figure on a twisty back road. saying you checked 50k (on busy, safe(ish) roads) looks better than saying you checked 3k (on dangerous roads).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    It's nothing to do with 'going to a station' vs submitting online. When you make a report to TrafficWatch phone line, they ask 'Are you prepared to make a statement the Gardai?'. When the Garda calls you to follow up, they will ask 'Are you prepared to go to Court at the end of the day?'. If you say no, your report will probably go nowhere, or at worst, will lead to a call or quiet word with the driver in question.

    Presumably, when the long awaited Garda portal arrives, they will ask the same questions. It's just a handier way of reporting incidents than by phone or (as you suggest) going to the station.

    You wouldn't be trying to put people off from submitting reports, by any chance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Can we take it then, that you've no difficulty with your own personal information being shared with all and sundry? Your medical history, your browser history, your bank account transactions, your educational history - you've no difficulty with sharing this information with any organisation that reckons they'd like to have a nosey at it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,197 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    That's a question I don't know the answer to but I do know they put themselves, other rosd users and pedestrians at risk with bad and dangerous riding/cycling. I'm talking about things like breaking red lights, travelling in the wrong direction on one way streets and not having lights or high vis apparel. I see many examples of this every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Presumably you see drivers doing all that dangerous stuff every day too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    You speak with such arrogant authority, but you're just blabbering:

    Dispite the RSA plaguing people with the idea that cyclists have to manage their own safety by wearing ' high vis apparel'… they have yet to provide any local evidence to support the idea. Theres been a few studies on it and the most conclusive show that it may have an impact if worn on anles or knees, but not on the torso. Theres also a difference between fluoro and reflective, that have different effects in day and night… have you considered these issues when making stupid comments?

    Also 60% of cyclists attending hospital in ireland were wearing high vis, but less than 60% of cyclists actively wear high vis. What does that tell you?

    On your other points… I'd like to see all road users obey the rules of the road… cars drivers should break lights, go the wrong way down one way streets, drive without their lights, break red lights, but I see it every day.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,197 ✭✭✭chicorytip


    Oh yes, of course. The first mentioned, that is, breaking red lights.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


     I see them travelling in the wrong direction on one way streets fairly frequently, though not every day admittedly. I see them not having lights every day, driving with a broken headlight or one or two broken brake lights or an entire light cluster out or no back lights because DRLs. I see drivers with no high vis apparel on their cars, jet black and navy cars, statistically more dangerous than white or yellow cars.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,894 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    quite a few single vehicle deaths are not accidents



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,269 ✭✭✭Kaisr Sose


    Indeed, GDPR goes hand in hand with redaction or anonymisation..

    You really would expect more. GDPR is just used by people as a reason not to do something.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭creedp


    A classic whataboutery response. Basically because drivers disobey the Roth, then no driver can call out cyclists breaking the Roth.

    You do realise that drivers don't go around saying you can't call us out because cyclist also break the rules



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,636 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore




  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 40,774 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    Given the topic under discussion, it really isn't whataboutery in fairness!



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 50,510 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Actually, drivers often do say exactly that. The comment was to put in context the 'scary scooters' variation on the 'scary cyclists' stories that we often see around here. It's amazing how many people are able to spot and notice every detail, including the clothing of scary scooters and scary cyclists, but don't apparently see drivers speeding, on their phones, with faulty lights, not indicating, not observing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭creedp


    Ah cmon now threads are full of posters calling out bad driving. You'd want to be suffering from a particularly acute form of tunnel vision not to notice



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,862 ✭✭✭creedp


    😁 blasted phone

    Edit. Responding to @magicbastarder post. Is there a problem with Boards not quoting posts?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,898 ✭✭✭Trampas


    So I was driving home this evening on a road where I was following a car and a few more cars behind me. Just tipping along at speed limit but first car was N plate and took a little longer to get up to speed. Nothing awful now. Cars coming towards us and next thing I see a flash in the rear mirror and a car over takes the car behind me and slots in right up my backside. Carry on the road and it goes to solid white line. Cars oncoming and the car overtakes me and the car in front of me. I knew they’d do it. They were just short of been on the phone but were not



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,831 ✭✭✭Beta Ray Bill


    You're both correct.

    But I am too. No one is going to anonymise data. Forget about it, you may get that idea out of your head now. If they make a mistake they have to deal with the DPC. It's easier to just not share the data and avoid any legal stuff.

    If someone comes along and makes a change that legally compels them to share anonymised data, well that's probably the end of anyone doing that job.

    In answer to your question Andrew: "do I care if people have my data." I don't that much. I get cold called all the time, I get crappy emails, I get very personalized ads etc. My "Data" is already out there, as is yours and probably everyone else's. I think it's better if Garda, Dept Social Welfare, County Councils, Insurance Companies, Courts, etc could all query each other databases (within limits) without having to jump through hoops.

    Everyone's GDPR policy is so stupidly different it makes regulating data access near impossible… Ask any Garda who's had to get a statement off someone in the civil service, and you'll know what I'm talking about.

    I get the idea in principle, but it's having a very undesirable effect: "I don't have to bother my hole sharing anything with anyone cause GDPR"… that's basically the attitude, and so long as GDPR exists it's going to stay that way, in fact if it was removed I don't think the attitude would change, the damage is done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 669 ✭✭✭Yakov P. Golyadkin


    Do you think it's more or less than car drivers?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,859 ✭✭✭Duckjob


    Went for a nice little ride out after work today. I took a stop at a village local to me for about 10 minutes and within those 10 minutes I observed:

    1. A man casually parking his car on a (hatched) corner of a junction to a sideroad and leaving it there to pick something up in the pharmacy across the road.
    2. A white van man not only mounting the footpath but driving up along the footpath at wildly inappropriate speed (he passed about 4 private driveways with no visibility at probably 25-30kph )
    3. Multiple cars parked 4 entirely on the footpath.

    Anyone trying to argue that the main group causing safety issues on the road is a group other than car drivers is f**** blind and shouldnt be behind a wheel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,067 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    This Video is doing the rounds Today and the Gardai social media.

    The VW Golf must have been stsring into space.

    The unmarked Garda car waw fairly obvious to anybody paying a small bit of attention.

    Hyundai, D Reg, Areials, Radar, etc all clearly visible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 600 ✭✭✭csirl


    Excuse the pun, but the CEO of the RSA had an absolute car crash of an interview. Doesnt inspire confidence.

    Anyone know what % of drivers involved in fatal accidents have learner permits, no license or are disqualified?

    Anedotely a lot of the type of people who in the past drove on provisionals for years/decades are now not bothering with licenses at all. Nobody ever checks licences. Ive never been asked for a license at a Garda checkpoint even though driving 20+ years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 358 ✭✭delboythedub


    Make a law where mobile phones must be kept in the car boot while traveling



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,415 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    The laws we have are fine. The problem is enforcement. As said above, a Garda cycling through any major town could give out 100 points in an hour to people on their phones while driving.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,017 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    I'm late to this Prime Time here so only watching it now but so far it just seems to be an excuse for RTE to play with their virtual set and sound effects as different charts pop in and out.

    The guy from the RSA is useless. Defensive, deflecting and shouty. That's a problem right there. Main achievements apparently to tackle the NCT backlog and driver testing but again very very defensive.

    Garda rep equally uninspiring. Again defensive and waffling. Harris announcing that all uniform Gardai will be asked to do road policing duty sounds like a kneejerk half thought out nonsense idea.

    And now Jack Chambers.. Pinning all his hopes on his new bill which again is a reactive half-considered notion. Waffling about how they're all applying for things and writing to each other but clearly trapped by an administrative black hole that's going nowhere.

    When pressed they all say it'll definitely be fixed this year.. Honest!

    This in one 40 minute programme is a self-contained example of the bloated inefficient mess that is Government (local and central) and state agencies responsible for addressing this stuff.

    Miriam is awful too. Also what's the point of these segments and interviews if not enough time is given to actually discuss it properly? Was there a rerun of Fair City or a movie everyone has already seen to get to?

    Poor programme overall. Nothing new. Nothing surprising.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Those bodies CAN share data with each other, within very clear and specific limits. Usually, there will be specific enabling legislation, otherwise they can share data, provided they have a legal justification for doing so, and they set out the basis for sharing in their privacy policy. Insurance companies are sharing data with Gardai on a daily basis now. GDPR does not stop data being shared, with appropriate policies, legislation and control.

    GDPR DOES stop the kind of uncontrolled datasharing that allowed Cambridge Analytica and Facebook to deliver Trump's 2016 election win and the Brexit referendum win to the highest bidder.

    I don't get crappy emails, very personalised ads and cold calls, because I'm careful with my personal data. I make multiple reports to the DPC each year where I see breaches of GDPR.

    Yes, it gets used as a crappy excuse, just like the 'elf and safety' excuses. That doesn't mean that GDPR is a problem.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    This kind of red light jumping is becoming routine and every day. These two examples were within a 30 minute stretch this morning.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Fascinating to see this video emerging, which Gardai have really never done anything like before, and the new '30 minutes roads policing per shift' rule, both in response to the media interest. Which is a really crappy approach, responsive more to media than to the reality of the rising death toll. They've done tweets about drivers using phones before, but never a video, afaik.

    The good thing about the Prime Time show what that it exposed both RSA and AGS as fairly feckin useless. Miriam was very good with Sam, specific and precise without being hectoring or aggressive. Both interviews shows that both organisations had really nothing to offer except a little bit more of the same old, same old.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,067 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn




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