Public charging prices not dropping when wholesale prices drop

True, but we can't go back in time to when Norway started and costs were much lower.

Just got an email from Tesla. I don't use SCs much at all, but glad it's not targeted at Tesla owners.

From April 13th, we are updating Supercharging pricing. All customers can purchase a membership to access lower prices for Supercharging or pay higher, non-membership prices.

As a Tesla driver, you're automatically a member and you can continue to access lower member prices when Supercharging.

No action required. 

It isn't an issue today but in time to come membership could be a thing Tesla owners will have to pay for in order to avail of discounted pricing at Superchargers, just like other EV drivers. Tesla could use this as a way to drop their car prices further

Norway's oil and gas revenues are €83 billion a year. That's about €15K per head of population. There is a massive difference between Norway's financial resources and Ireland's. They don't have amongst the highest debt per capita in the world to service via interest payments, like Ireland, in fact they don't have any debt, whereas we have €46K per head of debt.

Every call for the Irish government to do something to advance EV uptake basically is advocating either increasing the national debt or decreasing the rate at which existing debt is paid down.

We will fairly soon, because the government keeps allowing data centres to be built and won't build nuclear power plants to elinate CO2 from energy generation. It's only a few hundred million in fines, nothing to worry about, the 1.652 million actual taxpayers can all just be squeezed for another €180 each, no biggie.

None of this is relevant to the actual budget of the country, the money used to run the country year on year. Norway's budget is 129 billion a year, Ireland's 112 billion. We have the money to do it; there's no reason not to do it. Debt is irrelevant; surplus is irrelevant.

your argument is the equlivant of saying we cant have a motorway built as you have mortgage.

Debt is irrelevant… 2008 just rang and wants a word with you.

Funny thing is, that motorway argument is exactly how I conduct my life. If I had a mortgage I would not be borrowing more to buy a €40K EV, borrowing more to chuck solar panels and batteries on my roof and then borrowing another €110K to do a house retrofit to avail of a heat pump grant.

What % of EV drivers in those countries have access to a home charger.

Also consider that they are part of Europe and benefit from people travelling through the country by car

I'm not of a belief that EV's make much of a difference to air polution in Ireland, so your question is a non sequiter, in fact I'd say they are nearly irrelevant. It is simply far too windy in Ireland for cars to matter much. If It were up to me, I'd stop encouraging people to buy diesels instead of petrol, which is still government policy despite knowing it's worse for air quality and people's health, because it's insanely fixated on CO bloody 2.

Australia ranks as having annual PM2.5 air polution of 4.5 vs Ireland 6.5 annualized 2023. How can that be when we know Australia gets most of it's electricity from burning coal, are car mad having enormous engine sizes and weights compared to Ireland and emit twice as much CO2 per head as here - 15t vs 7.7t? How can Perth currently have less than half the air pollution of Dublin - 9 vs 26 - while having almost no EVs?

My bet is it's because they were never stupid enough to vote in someone like Gormley, so everyone drives petrol ICE, not diesels. Ireland has the equal highest concentration of diesels vs petrol in Europe at 77%. There's your air polution problem, except it's not really, because there is generally too much wind for it to accumulate.

I would say the government should not be spending beyond it's means and should be reducing debt, not pretending the country is as wealthy as Norway and acting accordingly. The country has a problem with a public sector that to me seems stuffed to the gills with socially idealistic semi competents who give bad advice to whatever 'same as the other lot' politicians happen to be in power. The national childrens hospital fiasco would be a good example. A lot of the blame for that lies with civil service incompetence. Boardsies who have worked on the project say the plans and designs were incomplete. That's likely why when an enquiry into the shambles was announced, the frames of reference specifically stated that no blame would would be apportioned to individuals. The financial crisis in 2008 - the civil service regulators let that happen and did not do their job: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1057/jbr.2011.30

Need I even mention the HSE, which has seen Ireland have one of the highest expenditures per head in the OECD with the poorest outcomes. The housing crisis is another: Local councils coud build houses for half their open market cost, so twice as much social housing could be provisioned per € spent. This isn't done because the civil service is incompetent to mange such an obviously beneficial effort, so instead Councils buy completed new-builds at prices first time buyers can't match, wasting considerable sums of taxpayers money by paying twice as much as should be necessary.

Energy policy and the envisioned joke of a plan (sic) to reach zero CO2 by 2050 - AKA never.

Take Gormley's forcing of diesel. Green apologists will pop up at every mention of this claiming the car companies lied, which is a joke. Even with the claimed nox figures they should never have been favoured as those levels were still too high for peoples health given the available evidence. But the real kicker, and one that shows how incompetent the civil service is, was that no one seems to have ever told Gormley that diesel exhaust also contains the most potent carcinogen ever discovered - 3-nitrobenzanthrone. The UN declared diesel exhaust carcinogenic in 2012, but we still favour them over petrol 12 years later.

As for explaining the uptake of EV's below target - that's easy: the target was too high - more idealism. EVs are status toys for the well off, like solar panel hobyism. Most people can't afford them, not just here, but in the EU in general, except Norway, which leverages it's massive sovereign wealth fund to make them financially attractive. EV uptake is failing everywhere at the moment, and analysts consistently point the finger at the high cost, not the EV proselytisers favourite - ignorance.

look, youve proven you cant keep on topic, youve detrailed the conversation with, seemingly intresting poitns, but are completely irrelivant to the topic of the thread. youneed to stop trying to have a conversation you want, and joint the one being had.

But many would.

As a percentage it’s twice as many living in flats, but many houses in cities don’t have off street parking.

But the population is 3 time that of ours

the wholesale price is indeed dynamic. But companies don’t buy off the wholesale.

And you’ll find that those who think are buying dynamic following the market have price caps and are not truly following them market. There can be some Really high spikes in the wholesale price

"Public charging prices not dropping when wholesale prices drop" - Just how much on a league table are public charging rates today ?