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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I think the person in question is rather odd but so are many people - it's a diverse world.

    What I'm surprised to see is moderators on this site engaging in what in my view anyway, is hate speech.

    I might expect to see a bit of that from regular posters. But honestly I'm very struck to see those who are supposed to be moderating these forums using language like I noted. And it's not just you.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,069 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    What you have outlined is another space where they can be as negative, petty and low level troll as they wish.

    It may even bring more of such negative posters to the site, if they know there is such a space. And then spread elsewhere.

    Then there's nothing to stop the 'negative' posters from still doing what they are doing at the moment on CA, niggling and driving away positive posters and making it a hostile space for new joiners.

    But I don't see how it is a solution at all really to getting and retaining positive posters on the site.

    Has it actually been tried to seriously clamp down on such low level trolling? Because from the earlier comments on the thread that wasn't what I got from the comments at all, especially those of Big Bag of Chips. So that is a dubious statement re: doing the same thing over and over again.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I see you didn't call him sleepy Joe with all the right wing hate baggage that drags behind it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    it's not that mods are using such language, have at it as far as I'm concerned, but when mods use language like that about one person, and then disallow it about another - and there's nothing anywhere to say what people are allowed to be spoken about in such terms, and which people are not, that is an issue.

    Either such terminology is allowed about all people, or none.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    I can’t say it’s surprising that you are the one who’s complaining about it though.



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,843 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    As are most people of his age, including Trump / Mitch McConnell etc.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The hate speech legislation you are so worked up about is not designed to deal with the sort of language regarding Gemma. This is a big problem with regard to how people are been dragged into attacking it without due cause.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    yeah I know this, but I'm not allowed to call him sleepy joe, but I am allowed to abuse GO'D

    who else is protected, and who else is fair game?



  • Administrators Posts: 56,247 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Sleepy Joe thing is only in that one Biden thread, no?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    I really doubt I can go into the forum and start using the term willy nilly, meanwhile we have mods with free reign to abuse another notable person.

    It's weird



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I didn't write nasty derogatory terms, so why are you trying to deflect? Most sensible people would just advise that you should apologise for using that sort of description. We all make mistakes etc. That's what I'd do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    With respect, I'd hope that you have read the thread concerned? It starts with various posters saying they will vote No to give the government a kicking. That's not a great reason. I'm personally undecided and wished to find out more. The questions I raised are entirely relevant to both the thread in question and the forum. Two issues that I queried have not been answered, now maybe people don't understand them, don't know the answers or whatever but that is no reason to guillotine the debate, to just shut it down!! If this referendum proceeds, I'd expect others will start asking similar questions and I'll look forward to be being informed and to receiving an apology then.

    As regards the other matter, I'll message you when I get time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Soapboxing - can we please get some definition of this term, when it applies and where it applies?

    To my mind, soapboxing is when a poster raises matters on a thread that are either quite irrelevant to that thread. And who continues to raise them when clearly the points they raise should be on another thread.

    Threads are full of posters and posts who make repeated points about the question at hand. Every discussion thread is full of posters making repeated points. Is this soapboxing? I don't think so - or every thread would rapidly grind to a halt.

    So under what criteria is it decided by a moderator when a series of posts relating to the same issues is soapboxing? Why are some points of view considered fine to be repeated ad nauseum but others should be censured for soapboxing?



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Soap boxing is making a point with no intention of discussing the merrits of that point with other contributors to that thread.



  • Administrators Posts: 56,247 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    This has been explained to you already in this thread.

    If we take your contributions to the patent thread as an example, you repeatedly suggested that the changes to patent law were some sort of sinister, underhanded sop to multinational companies.

    Numerous posters explained to you how it wasn't, including posters clearly much more knowledgable than you on the subject. Because you didn't get the answer you wanted, you kept pushing this point, ignoring what you were told. You had no interest in discussing this topic, you had no intention of posting in good faith, you had no intention of taking on board any counter points to what you were saying, you were simply pushing your own agenda.

    This is soapboxing.



  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    Hi all,

    I have been keeping an eye on this thread since it began. There are some wonderful comments, great memories and experiences on Boards and ideas for the future. The comments on some of the negative aspects are also welcome. It helps us to gain a greater understanding of the things that Boards can improve on as a whole.

    There was, and admittedly still are, a lot of things to iron out. The feedback in this thread both highlights and helps that. This platform is a credit to each and every contributor both past and present in a regular or moderation role. The variety of discussion and debate found here is inspiring.

    In saying that. I hope that this thread can remain on topic so that we can continue to gain, in a constructive way, an understanding of how we can move Boards.ie into the future. A long way into the future I hope.

    Mike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,216 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,616 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    But surely you can see that this definition is entirely subjective. You can't read my mind or that of any other poster. In this case and I'm mindful of not referring to individual cases, I have absolutely posted in good faith and the issues/ questions I raised were not all answered. Nobody has explained anything other that the background to the referendum and why it might benefit some Irish businesses. But that's not what I asked!!

    So clearly you're projecting some notion of 'soapboxing' onto what are valid discussion points. I might ask where in the general guidelines to posting on boards is soapboxing defined?



  • Administrators Posts: 56,247 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    It's not subjective.

    I could post in a thread about the moon about how I think it's made of cheese. Buzz Aldrin himself could reply to me and tell me that he's been there, and the moon is unquestionably dairy free. If I keep posting how I think the moon is made of cheese then when I get kicked from the thread I cannot moan about alternative view being silenced. It's not subjective to say I would be soapboxing in such a scenario.

    The background and benefit of that referendum were explained numerous times in the thread to you. Your issue is the answer wasn't what you wanted it to be, so you kept poking, slightly changing your wording but with the same underlying question being asked each time.

    You weren't discussing the topic, as a discussion requires a back and forth, point then counter point. You were just repeating yourself over and over again. This is soap boxing.

    Numerous times now this has been explained to you.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    It's a Politics forum & thread!! Politics.

    It is well understood in this country that referendums are tricky matters. That quite often, referendums become about a whole range of other issues and not the topic that is to be voted on. I presume most people would agree with this.

    Therefore it follows that no government engages in a referendum without good strong reasons. I simply asked in a Politics forum what these strong reasons might be and who might have been pushing for it. No one has answered this, that's why I politely asked again. If that can't be seen that this is a reasonable question, we may as well give up. Baffling degree of what is censorship by moderation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    CA should be that “corner”. Let the mods currently looking after it focus on better areas of the site with, more, normal users.

    As long as it keeps all the nuts busy and away from the rest of the site. This would require a zero tolerance approach to things like racism, homophobia, bigotry, misogyny and transphobia in AH.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭Hodors Appletart


    The problem with that is that these cranks and ne'erdowells crave attention, and will follow the normals to the supposed normal spaces and begin to do what they do there, and then in a year or two you'll be back here asking for yet another normal space away from them.

    It's because there isn't the wherewithall to remove them.



  • Administrators, Boards.ie Employee, Boards Employee 2, Boards Employee 3 Posts: 1,664 ✭✭✭✭✭Boards.ie: Mike


    @Furze99 this is not the politics forum. I have asked for users to please keep this thread on topic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 801 ✭✭✭FobleAsNuck


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    what gives?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,012 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    I think if CA was to go full Wild West - and it's already pretty outré as it is - I think the reputation of the site as a whole could suffer.

    It's the busiest site in the place and often the first thing people see when they get here. Boards already has a wider reputation of being full of cranks and oddballs - which I don't think is entirely fair, but, let's face it, it is a thing.

    No one bats an eyelid if you say for instance, that you were looking/posting on Reddit, but talk about boards: you're likely to get the piss taken out of you for it.

    If the first thing you see when you log onto the site is people going at - really going at - about all things culture war, well, that's going to appeal to some: CA itself would probably get far busier, but it'll be such a turn off to the majority of people you wish to attract.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,216 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I think we're maybe on the same page. But I still feel making it, (or a portion of it) members only for the more relaxed mod environment would be necessary for it to function.

    Doing this would do a few things

    • Make it clear that it was a different area (where different rules apply)
    • People would have to seek it out instead of accidentally finding themselves in it
    • Threads from within it would not clutter up the latest posts or trending tabs which would frustrate people with no interest in that type of conversation
    • Would make it easier to explain different mod approaches
    • Would allow CA to function as it was intended if that remained as its own area
    • May alleviate the fears Arghus has in post above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Fair enough - I was trying to establish what 'soapboxing' is and how it's judged. As this amtter is relevant to how posters can engage or not with the site. This was just an example.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Current Affairs is not full of 'nuts'. It's populated by a whole range of posters who dip in and out, with their opinions on well 'current affairs'. Indeed there's many moderators here who engage in discussion in CA, some might be 'nuts' but hardly all. I have no doubt but that you yourself sometimes contribute your thoughts to CA threads?

    From a site point of view, activity is essential and one way of driving activity is to have a good healthy level of debate. Not least in attracting advertising and creating value etc.

    So if the site wants people to engage then it has to facilitate healthy and perhaps sometimes spicy debate. Just as long as posters don't endanger the site with loose language.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,308 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Spot on

    I’m finding this aspect of things highly frustrating. It’s like we need a mod to say something first to know it’s ok to say. Other than that we are risking getting warnings for not knowing if something is deemed acceptable or not.



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