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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,306 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Doesn’t seem right. Was healthy discussion with me and another poster and warnings just completely sucked the life out of things then. I think he even got a thread ban for harmless stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,200 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    See my post just before yours in this respect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I'm genuinely baffled. Surely one the very first duties of a moderator on this site is to protect it against libel??

    Your words above that this person 'Gemma IS a hateful lunatic' along with Capall's slurs are just very ill advised. Do you think before you hit Post?

    I wouldn't be a great fan exactly of the proposed Hate Speech bill but if it addresses this sort of language directly used against an individual, well maybe it's needed.

    If I used language like this against a named individual, I'd expect to be banned!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 743 ✭✭✭soap1978


    Boards is done ,they ruined it a few years ago when they change the site,no app either ,the man utd chat use to be very busy has gone now because of the new way of doing things



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    ah Jesus man it’s like you’re taking the mick? Gemma o Doherty, the same one who’s been arrested and in court tomorrow for harassing a woman who’s son died, falsely claiming he died as a result of Covid vaccines and you’re worried one of her family members might see?

    Look, I think it’s safe to say Gemma’s family is well aware of craic. Does it strike you at all as maybe a bit weird you never hear of her family being in support, to my knowledge they didn’t attend court yesterday for instance. I doubt they’ll be there tomorrow either.

    Tell me this if I warned you for calling O’Doherty a lunatic would you accept that or take it to DRP? Seriously?



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  • Administrators Posts: 56,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    You were soapboxing that patent thread. You kept making the same point over and over and over again, and when it is explained to you over and over and over again you are ignoring the explanation.

    It concerns me that you don't realise that you're soapboxing this thread, given your recent DRP.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There is no liable, only defamation. Insults are not defamation. Hate speech does not include insults🙄



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    furze, genuine question for you.

    What do you call someone who harasses the mother of a young man who died, posting lies in their newspaper about his cause of death and trying to link it to covid vaccines in order to suggest they are dangerous?

    Or about someone who thinks Hitler was a right lad and the Jews invented the holocaust?

    Or about someone who harasses members of the public and Gardai both on and off camera?

    Do you think that’s a well put together individual?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    I don’t think it’s fair to blame boards for united fans going quiet. It’s fairly well known that a, rather, large chunk of Irish united fans no longer “support” the club.

    They have moved on and now have, either, stopped following soccer, altogether, or they’ve started following League of Ireland, specifically Bohs and Shamrock Rovers.

    While this is great for LoI, you would have to fear for their attendance should United start winning leagues again. The fickle, fair weather, ex-United fans would leave them just as quick.

    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,306 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    It wouldn’t get to that point. I wouldn’t be calling someone a known person outside of boards as a ‘lunatic’ on a public forum



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,215 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Lads can we get back to the feedback please. It has been said on multiple occasions specific comments or threads will not be discussed in this thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,306 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    You don’t call her anything. You don’t refer to her as a personal insult.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It appears that the thread has just become another mod bashing thread, as well as a place for posters to post whatever they feel like about other posters, with no repercussions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,306 ✭✭✭✭callaway92




  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That has nothing to do with hate speech. That is libal.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,357 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Interested now to see if the mods can see what the rest of us can see.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,977 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    “It matters not what someone is born, but what they grow to be” - A. Dumbledore

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,955 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    As expected, it's gone into a loop with certain posters just repeating themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Took two posts to make some sort of apology for the offhand comment which I politely called out in the first instance . Thanks for that but its not to me but all

    of us here who are making an effort to contribute to this thread .

    You could have just said you didn't rate every post but have been reading them . You said " every post wasn't worth reading " 😕

    I am glad you and the other Mods are taking on some of the feedback (that's what I am sure most of us posting here would hope ) and whether you adjust your style or not, it is good that consideration is being given to it , at least.

    Edit to add ..just read all of the posts about stuff on another thread and totally get what you mean now about "quality " !

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    But when you rightly call out some footballers on the soccer forum, for assults on women, the Mods card you.

    WHere is the consistency?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Thanks for your good posts , tmh .

    I do get what you are saying but am not sure how it would help .

    There will be discussions you say of a different level in a sectioned off group and the same discussions on CA ... Am I right ?

    Is that not more work for the already stretched CA mods ?

    What I have suggested is more mods on CA which might solve the issues you and I are talking about .

    If a mod can have more time to stay with a contentious thread and read the posts and flow of discussion properly, before actioning , they will then not only stay on top of trolling (low level) , and a poster would probably not receive a warning like you describe just on the basis of another posters report ( if that is what you suspect happened?)

    ie they would have more time and information to judge the situation for themselves .

    This is why some of the threads with less traffic are not generating as much complaint imo . The mods have more time to read and form an opinion as to who is being genuine and who is causing trouble . And they have time to give feedback as well .

    Maybe then when those threads are going well a group like you mention could be set up also , as the other part of the forum.

    You are saying that this private group does not need moderation but surely that is looking for trouble in so far as anything could be happening in there that could potentially cause legal or other problems for the site ?

    There would have to be a mod keeping an eye .

    Or is it just when somebody reports that a mod intervenes ?

    Sorry for the questions, just haven't been on the private groups so just trying to understand what it entails .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    Thing about libel, furze, it has to be untrue , afaik .



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    That is about what I was saying yes. A whinge about a mod saying mean things about GoD of all people is hardly valuable feedback that benefits the site as a whole.

    I really can’t see how those particular posts need to be dragged into this thread for any other reason than to have a go at mods, again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,200 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    There will be discussions you say of a different level in a sectioned off group and the same discussions on CA ... Am I right ?

    Is that not more work for the already stretched CA mods ?

    No. Because the mods are no longer wasting time on conflicts that are now allowable within the access only area.

    There would be moderation there, but for cut and dried infractions, not the type of excessive moderation (in a lot of cases) that they end up being involved with.

    There will be low level trolls etc, but now, they could be called a troll within that space or ignored or whatever and I feel that this would overall lead to a more favorable outcome than what has existed. I feel a lot of mod time at the moment is dealing with mundane type stuff that if posters could call out the behaviour themselves, it would be less of an issue than what the moderation is.

    I haven't seen mods acting on CA AH threads in years (literal years) from a position where I feel they are engaged in the discussion and know the context of how it has gone. I feel probably 95% plus of moderation in those spaces is now as a consequence of flagged posts and that in those instances, it's often done without appropriate context.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    that’s mad it’s almost as if different forums have different rules and standards of posting?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,981 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    I get you now.

    Should have context if reading the threads though.

    Sounds good . I agree about calling it out or ignoring .

    Feels really good to call it out though :) …until you get that incoming message ." You've been warned ..." !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 24,200 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    We're all adults here, I want it to be a pleasant site. But I recognize there are evocative topics and its impossible to remain calm in relation to all of them. But whether by accident or design, the style of moderation that has existed in places like CA and AH since the changeover, where you couldn't react on thread in any way whatsoever, has made it less so.

    I've been warned for 'attacking the poster' and when I responded giving a post number on a thread where I was referenced by name in a derogatory manner I was told by the mod that that thread had nothing to do with them. (They are the most senior mod on the site) The forum of the thread I was referring to had no CMod at the time and no effective moderation and so the post remained.

    That's beyond frustrating.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 22,563 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I can see the merit in having a more free for all forum tucked away, but all you need is one poster with a grudge to report the posts of posters they've had a run in with and it will quickly become a time sink for mods.

    It would need to start with a ban for spurious reporters, but that will again set off a Feedback thread complaining about mods.

    It's a vicious circle.

    Post edited by Leg End Reject on


  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    to be fair I’m not sure how much of that type of thing would actually happen. The controversial opinion thread in AH doesn’t have endless reports from posters trying to get at posters they don’t like.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,306 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    FWIW in my complaining about mods, I was asked to be a moderator here on one of the sports forums but just seeing the tone of some mods even in this thread I wouldn’t want to be associated with it.

    People are saying to not make this a mod bashing thread, but I (and others) clearly need to at least give feedback into what we believe is ruining the site.

    We are trying to help the site, but just look at the tone of comments from some mods and you’ll see why some people just don’t bother anymore. Unwarranted arrogance at times.



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