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  • #1112
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,264 ✭✭✭con747


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004587#Comment_122004587

    I suppose they could vaguely be called entertaining if that is the type of threads some want. If so have a dedicated section for them instead of being on every forum and being closed because they aren't relevant to that forum.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #1113
    Big Bag of Chips
    Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,553 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    If a thread isn't relevant in a particular forum it should, where possible, be moved to a more appropriate forum. Personally I don't like to see loads of locked threads in a forum. It makes the forum look very uninviting. Some threads will need to be locked of course. But (personally) I think it's something that should be used sparingly.



  • #1114
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,264 ✭✭✭con747


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004817#Comment_122004817

    Any chance of a Pondering forum for a certain type of poster to post away!

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #1115
    Calahonda52
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,320 ✭✭✭✭Calahonda52


    Human nature being what it is, I think a month of rigorous deletion of stuff would show the carckheads who post such stuff that it it won't stay up, leaving to in place is indulging them.

    As a matter of interest, what are the criteria that prevent mass deletion?

    folk have no right to be indulged, any sense of entitlement must be killed off at source, since it is just an imagined reality.

    over on AAM, BB replaces the delete button on his computer every few months!

    “I can’t pay my staff or mortgage with instagram likes”.



  • #1116
    Mrs OBumble
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,525 ✭✭✭✭Mrs OBumble


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004667#Comment_122004667

    Isn't that exactly what After Hours is for?



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  • #1117
    con747
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,264 ✭✭✭con747


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004919#Comment_122004919

    If only they would post there though.

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



  • #1118
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I've seen the weather forum mentioned a few times and it's a great forum.

    I have no technical knowledge, but always read it ahead of big weather events, the knowledgeable posters are very welcoming to the clueless posters like me. The snow threads are epic and always nudge me to stock up just in case, it was a godsend during the last big one.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #1119
    Irish Aris
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    I still enjoy the site. I mostly avoid subjects that can get heated (namely politics and religion) so I don't frequent to CA, AH or politics - the few times I decided to take part it was short lived as it is very difficult to distinguish who posts in good faith and who's trolling.

    I really like that there are many users that genuinely try to help if you have a question.

    The gigs & events threads are very useful for me to keep up with what's going on and I have tried to contribute a bit more recently.

    The weather Forum was mentioned a few times - kudos to the posters there that provide good insights, especially during weather events.

    The current situation in the soccer forum also suits me. Easier to have a discussion especially in the megathreads. Still a bit of tribalism but nothing major.

    I was also a big fan and frequent contributor in the forum games. Really got me through the pandemic. Between things back to normal and the vanilla interruption we lost momentum , it's a shame that we haven't been able to bring "traffic" back up.

    Don't have anything negative to observe - I don't post as much anymore, but still check daily on what's going on.

    Thank you for all the effort in running the site @Big Bag of Chips and everyone else!! 🙂

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • #1120
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,508 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004059#Comment_122004059

    The last feedback thread in soccer had 14 replies, 5 of them from mods. The overwhelming feedback is that it's dead. Pretty much like the rest of boards a small hardcore of regular posters keeping it going



  • #1121
    Charleigh Tinkling Squadron
    Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006021#Comment_122006021

    Are they good quality posts or poor quality though?
    this thread for example has 38 pages for example but every post is not worth reading.



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  • #1122
    batistuta9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,508 ✭✭✭batistuta9


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006039#Comment_122006039

    Both. In forums like that people would argue over which side of bread to butter so there's still a bit of that & there's a lot of nothing posts too like commenting during a game. Neither good or bad just a comment. I don't really post there anymore just have an odd read at times



  • #1123
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,829 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006039#Comment_122006039

    Am surprised at that comment because I think the feedback has been very good generally and appropriate bar one or two .

    If it's feedback all posts deserve to be read surely ?

    Not calling you Shirley !



  • #1124
    Charleigh Tinkling Squadron
    Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006416#Comment_122006416

    Look, I think you’re misreading my post. I am simply saying that quantity doesn’t = quality.

    1000’s of posts a day means F all if there’s a ton of rubbish posted. That is specifically referring to opening up soccer only because there’s fewer posters than if it were public access.



  • #1125
    Arghus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,145 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    The super threads are going fine in soccer, which is good, but it is a pity that the more random football related threads seem to have largely died off. Figure a lot of it has to do with the slightly trickier means to access the forum and the fact that you usually have to click on "all discussions" to show beyond the first few threads, so they just kind of stay there and the rest quickly disappear.

    Can someone remind me again why forum games couldn't be ran on the new platform. That was a great forum: the walruses were fantastic and the once off competitions to decide the best of something were fantastic - I remember the epic competition to decide the best Beatles tune three (I think) years ago - really showed what made boards great: a thread with a diversity of opinions about a particular subject, progressing in a linear fashion etc, etc. It was a shame that all died on its arse with the changeover.



  • #1126
    Irish Aris
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 6,907 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Aris


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006528#Comment_122006528

    I think forum games can still be run but we can't organise enough numbers to make the games meaningful. We did an x factor a few weeks ago. I'm I'm between jobs now so I will try to organise a walrus. 🙂

    2025 gigs: Selofan, Alison Moyet, Wardruna, Gavin Friday, Orla Gartland, The Courettes, Nine Inch Nails, Rhiannon Giddens, New Purple Celebration, Nova Twins



  • #1127
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006528#Comment_122006528

    Games hosts use excel to tot up scores and they don't format correctly in Vanilla. For werewolf games you need to be able to isolate one player's posts and read them, that's tricky with Vanilla whereas in Vbulletin you could just click on the number of posts from the home page and select a player there, you could also select a specific forum from their profile page.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




  • #1128
    suvigirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,344 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006528#Comment_122006528

    Yeah, I can't remember why it stopped, was definitely the best thing on boards



  • #1129
    Goldengirl
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,829 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006434#Comment_122006434

    Well I think you are being a bit offhand there about the posts on this thread which is what you said . I didn't misread you saying " this thread " .

    People are taking time to say how they feel about the site . And the vast majority are putting themselves out there to do it .

    We will have to try harder it seems ! ;)

    I get your point about loads of rubbish being posted as opposed to quality but if that is the yardstick you, for example, are using , I would be very concerned as to what and who would be accepted to post in a closed group.

    There is not a whole load of rubbish being posted here , at least I don't think so .

    But I guess I am not talking about soccer :)



  • #1130
    Furze99
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Here are two examples that I've noticed today that really reflect some of the ills of Boards.

    First up we have a thread in the Politics forum on the upcoming Unified Patent Court referendum. As a citizen that will be voting on this, I've raised a few pertinent questions - perfectly reasonable and sane questions such as why we are having this referendum from a political pov in that they are inherently risky for the gov of the day and in association with this, has there been lobbying for this vote to take place and who might benefit the most. In other words the sort of questions and thoughts that are perfectly suited to a Boards Politics forum. I look up the Dáil debate and advice from likes of Chartered Accountants etc. No one can answer these and the general thinking is just vote yes as it's good - mom & apple pie etc.

    Then we get this below: WTF?? You'd swear I was a member of some fifth column, not just a voter/ poster with an interest!! What else is supposed to be discussed on this thread? Baffling.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006078#Comment_122006078

    Secondly, apparently the activist Gemma O'Doherty is arrested this morning. In among the largely derogatory comments, we get these two choice observations from a CMod:

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004449#Comment_122004449

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004757#Comment_122004757

    Dark Horse who is a CMod tells us "She's a hateful menace and she deserves everything she gets." & "She's a vile human being. It really is that simple."

    If this is the sort of written abuse that moderators can dish out on a thread, why shouldn't ordinary regular posters be as forthright? And what would any new user make of this, what sort of an example is this?

    These two examples just plucked from today make a nonsense of the new vision of thoughtful moderation and the calls for all users to be moderate in their choice of words.

    I won't be making any friends for sure posting these examples but there's a fierce amount of hypocrisy at times here.



  • #1131
    Leg End Reject
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,603 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006039#Comment_122006039

    this thread for example has 38 pages for example but every post is not worth reading.

    This is what you said, you have dismissed some posts here, nothing to do with soccer.

    It doesn't surprise me that you're the mod/cmod/admin to do that though.

    https://forumofgames.com/index.php




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  • #1132
    Charleigh Tinkling Squadron
    Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006934#Comment_122006934

    Yeah so every single post here is feedback is it?
    all 38 pages are absolutely crucial and important feedback correct?
    there’s absolutely no griping, arguing or anything else that wouldn’t be considered feedback whether site wide or forum specific?

    My recollection is there’s plenty of complaining about specific mods and forums of which the admin needed to step in and put a stop to it.

    So yeah all 38 pages are not feedback and not all the feedback is even possible to implement anyway so I’m sorry but can you please not misrepresent my post and accuse me of disregarding feedback thanks.



  • #1133
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,993 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006889#Comment_122006889

    No hypocrisy at all similar to you Burke thread carry on, if you go looking to be offended on the behalf a laughing stocks thats on you, not the moderation team.

    You seem to be desperatly dancing on the borderline of suicude by mod for yonks.



  • #1134
    Charleigh Tinkling Squadron
    Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006680#Comment_122006680

    I’ve been following this thread since it opened and I can tell you now there’s plenty of posts that are just griping rather than providing actual feedback.

    Honestly why I’m even entertaining this is beyond me it’s absolutely crazy. I’m trying to illustrate a point that quantity doesn’t equal quality. Every thread with 1000’s of posts doesn’t mean top quality content. A post count is not a metric of success of a forum either or indeed a thread.

    Take it another way if you want I can’t help you there, but if you think I’m disregarding the feedback provided I am certainly not. I have in fact adjusted my own approach based on the feedback here.

    Including recently applying a time limited threadban as opposed to “open ended” and being mindful in my attempts to discuss warnings etc with posters who wish to dispute them.

    Overall I am keeping in mind the concerns and criticisms raised here and I take great exception to any notion I am waving off the feedback as anything but important.

    But you are surely not telling me that every single one of the posts here is feedback. Even now our back and forth is not feedback actually. It’s disproportionately outraged response to my attempt to draw parallels between quality over quantity and how a forum being closed to the public and having a lower post count as a result doesn’t mean it’s “dying” or indeed that a splurge of extra posters having immediate and unrestricted access would improve the forum. As is the core point being argued re soccer that leaving it closed means it’s going to die.

    If I came across as if I am hand waving the absolutely vital feedback provided by our mods and users then I sincerely apologise. It was not my intention at all.



  • #1135
    Charleigh Tinkling Squadron
    Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122006889#Comment_122006889

    can you provide an example of any regular poster being infracted for critiquing Gemma as per the example above?

    Otherwise it doesn’t really make any sense what your complaint is? They were not speaking to or about a poster on boards calling them these names.

    Gemma IS a hateful lunatic! She thinks Hitler is great and the Jews made up the holocaust I mean cmon man.



  • #1136
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    Are you allowed say things like that about someone on here? (ie saying Gemma O’ Doherty is a ‘hateful lunatic’)

    Just curious is all

    I just feel like if something like that was said about a sportsperson or soemtbing the treatment would be different (negative treatment)



  • #1137
    bucketybuck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,938 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122004059#Comment_122004059

    Yeah, if you want to tell yourself the soccer forum is busy then more power to you, but those of us around for a few years know that it is a ghost town compared to how it used to be. Most active sports forum on boards is like me saying I'm the fastest in my family and thinking that that proves I'm fast.

    Like has already been pointed out, that feedback thread got only 14 replies. You have a Manchester United thread that gets single digit daily posts at times. Do you know how many posts were in that thread on 24th March? The answer is 4. On the 25th March? None. Zero posts in a Manchester United thread, you want to call that active? That club used to get people posting in the dead of summer, now its dead in the middle of season, who are we kidding here?

    So be it. Personally I think the mods would be perfectly happy for it to remain quiet and easy to manage.

    Last thing I'll say because why bother, but look at that feedback thread again. Here is a quote from it.

    Making Soccer more visible in particular when using the search function is something we will discuss with Admins.

    Thats nine months ago, I wonder how that discussion went.

    There are 30 posts in the 2022 soccer feedback thread and they are almost a carbon copy of the discussion here now. People like that the trolls are gone but the forum is too hard to find and there are concerns about the traffic. Mods have concerns about opening it up but will take feedback on board and update on any changes.

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058253225/soccer-forum-feedback-2022

    Its basically been a few years now, seems clear there is no intention of changing the status quo.



  • #1138
    pjohnson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,993 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122007109#Comment_122007109

    It really depends on if that person is a lunatic?

    Like it'd be hard to say it about someone here as anyone praising Hitler or denying the holocaust likely aint gunna be around long enough to get called out.



  • #1139
    Beechwoodspark
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,042 ✭✭✭✭Beechwoodspark


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122007036#Comment_122007036

    Some of the comments by the mods are unbelievable - after that level of hatred how can they have any credibility with the average boardsie?



  • #1140
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,100 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/122007141#Comment_122007141

    I get you. Just feels wrong that mods seem to be happy out making those kinds comments. In the end of the day it’s a family member of someone potentially on here etc.



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  • #1141
    Vote4Squirrels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Back to negativity sorry - and we all know who we’re taking about here - posters who openly troll by taking the absolute p*** out of genuinely held beliefs and carefully crafted opinions.


    Why are they allowed to operate with impunity???



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