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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ✭✭✭Shan Doras


    Boards badly needs to prepare for the future by slimming down. A lot of dead forms need to go, After hours and Current affairs/IMHO should be merged into an new "General Discussion" forum. The covid forum should be deleted



  • Administrators Posts: 14,690 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    For those who have posted positives, is there anything you feel that can be done to boost those positives? Boost the forums you post in?

    We've had over 900 posts of the negatives. We've heard the complaints and they will be addressed. We now want to concentrate on the positives.

    So any suggestions that people feel might improve the Boards.ie experience. Positive things than can be implemented.

    We know about the trolls and inconsistent moderation. So let's suggest something new..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I only recently discovered the "bad parking" thread in the Motors forum, it's worth a follow if you haven't already seen it. Some very amusing posters on there.

    Also, the "what did you have for breakfast" thread if you like arguing about whether or not toast should come pre-buttered with your breakfast. The jury is still out on that one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,779 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There are 'with chat' and 'without chat' variations of the bad parking thread, so you might need to clarify which one you're talking about.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    I think the post just above this one is right and the poster has the right idea. Boards has become very bloated with sub forums that no uses anymore for its current user base. So many dead sub forums that could be blended into main forums. I think that would/could help a lot

    Boards could do with going back to basics a bit, Boards has always been helpful that is what brought lurkers in to post and maybe it would help out a bit.

    Regards,

    p.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,873 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    There's plenty of good posters, some very funny posters, plenty of great threads - some informative, some funny, most of the mods, cmods and admins are sound in the fora I frequent.

    I think it's just the nature of Feedback that we all concentrate on the negatives as the positives don't need review.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭nachouser


    With chat:-) I found it to be a very funny thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    For me, there’s definitely a habit there. But I wouldn’t say that it’s the only thing. There are some forums that I genuinely enjoy posting in, there’s others that I would love only for some low-level trolling (which I blamed on me closing my previous account, although I don’t keep track of that stuff nowadays), and there’s other topics that I must avoid as I don’t handle confrontation very well.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,690 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    But can we get some suggestions of things we can do to boost the good sides? We know about the issues with trolls and moderators. I suppose what I'm looking for is what positives can be built on. What can we do to promote the funny, helpful side etc. As mentioned above there's so much more to the site than just CA, AH and soccer.

    Is there something particular forums or mods can do (without mentioning trolls and power trips!) to boost activity?

    There are good suggestions about streamlining forums. There are lots of dead forums that make navigation difficult so cleaning those up into an 'Archive' area would be worth exploring.

    Maybe make more use of the Facebook/Twitter accounts for promoting the site and particular threads? (Stay on top of the social media cranks who will jump straight to complaining too!!)

    Anything else?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Maybe have an “posters choice” - one day a week the Moderators choose a poster and they get to suggest a topic they want to discuss.

    Say 25 “thank yous” and it’s there for a day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    Trying to find a way of bringing back post of the day and thread of the day and pinning them to the front page. Post of the day usually brought me to forums I wouldn’t normally frequent and I would end up reading and view more of those.

    Then using the Twitter account to link those posts or threads.

    Regards,

    P.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,522 ✭✭✭✭Jim_Hodge


    There are almost too many positives to list. Discussions on hobbies from gardening to shooting to angling, sailing and board games. To get so many topics on one site is a huge bonus. Interests as diverse as motoring, fitness, music, sport and nature studies all under one roof. Then there's all the very useful advise to be found on topics like finance, consumer issues, DIY and parenting. It's a great resource.

    You'll always find more traffic on a thread looking at negatives but the relatively few individuals posting here doesn't really compare to the numbers posting across the myriad of forums and threads elsewhere on the site.

    The one thing to improve usage, or encourage new users, is perhaps to tidy up the number of forums and sub forums. It can be difficult at times to find a topic among the plethora available at present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,873 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Let threads naturally evolve without a Mod instruction to get back on topic.

    If someone finds a topic offensive and reports posts to beat the band they should be told to stop reading it and let everyone else get on with it. Put a note in the OP to let posters know to engage with the topic or leave.

    Merging forums would definitely help, but good luck getting a consensus on what should go where. 😄

    Bring back the AH wokeism thread (please refer to my second suggestion). I could guess the posters who reported posts there like it was a full-time job, and I'd guess very few were actually genuinely bothered.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    Sorry to go on the negative again but when you have a perfectly valid post removed with no warning or message - you do start to wonder about motives!



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,404 ✭✭✭tom23


    Give a pardon to all banned users on threads. A purge anarchy without the anarchy! 😎



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭z80CPU
    Darth Randomer


    What I DO like about boards.

    . The accurate opinion about RTE Radio 1 and Newstalk 106: Car crash radio.

    . The opinion of Fine Gaels performance at the present time

    More lighthearted threads like " Say something from the past wihtout context!

    What I do NOT like

    The coverage of the Israel Palestine war is acrimonious: a sh|tshow with no middle ground heard out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    Wokeism of the day as it evolved wasn't really wokeism of the day anymore though… it became a contentious discussion thread for the rare 'wokeism' that was actually posted. In your scenario above, that is what would happen again. Either it becomes an echo chamber or it becomes a battleground.

    So perhaps it could be a link dump thread, not to opinion pieces but something like 'dispatches from the culture wars (was wokeism of the day)' … so news articles highlighting absurd wokeism, or absurd counter-wokeism, as people see it. But without discussion. Similar to the political satire pictures thread.

    Just have some limited rules like no re-posting and no spamming so someone doesn't flood it with lots of posts at same time.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,873 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    But some of us enjoyed it, I don't criticise threads or fora I've no interest in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,285 ✭✭✭✭EmmetSpiceland


    A thread like that one would have been better served in the “Current Affairs” forum. Some users just want to turn “After Hours” into a place for attacking trans people.

    “It is not blood that makes you Irish but a willingness to be part of the Irish nation” - Thomas Davis





  • please get more mods in food forum chips. It’s a fab spot but can be ruined a bit by silly arguments and whatnot I find.

    I think if it was possible maybe we could do like a monthly recipe (take something someone posted in the forum and throw it on the front page or something?) idk something like that could be fun. 😎



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    I imagine the people criticising it or reporting it or whatever had an interest in the subject too, but coming at it from a different angle. If opinions can be expressed then so will counter opinions. So unless you want an echo chamber thats what you will get cos thats how it evolved last time too.

    I enjoyed it at the start when it was actually about reporting absurd 'wokeisms' from the media. Then it just became a to and fro, and given the contentious topic... posts get heated. Mods get busy. After Hours is supposed to be more light hearted.

    So keep the thread as a place for posters to reference the absurdity of the extremes of the culture war. But no opinion or commentary. Similar to the political satire pictures thread.

    You should still get your quota of wokeisms of the day to read.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)





  • no.
    jk, I’ll talk to the guys about it and see what they say Legend.

    Edit: posted in AH mod forum I will come back here with any updates



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,816 ✭✭✭TheChrisD


    Honestly, I'm only still here because I've been here for ages. If I was a new user, I'd far prefer Reddit for sheer amount of topics with dedicated discussion portals.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,141 ✭✭✭✭odyssey06


    The thread as it evolved into contentious debate yes it would have been better served in CA.

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,855 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    the everything and anything


    when I joined boards I had been a member on a different site that ended up dying after a turkish hack.

    And this place had been slagged to high heaven over there too.

    Anyway, I joined and found that there are a huge amount of forums catering for every itch you can think of


    I’ve asked questions to do with work, I’ve been helped out with the journey from non biker to everyday rider. I’ve a fairly wide range told interests and they’re reflected in my followed forums.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,690 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I've been threatening to learn to ride a motorbike for a very long time....

    I might have a look through your posting history 😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,306 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    I posted the following Saturday night, I posted it immediately after my post in which I listed issues I have with moderation that did get some commentary and reaction. I posted this as I felt there were 3 unique elements relating to discussion around the site that I was curious to see whether or not they would provoke conversation.

    I've also said on here that the 'Best' threads that one poster used to run were fun. Or the same type of threads about various tracks within different genres of music. I enjoyed some of the AMA threads also and appreciated the effort the site made in organizing them.

    There used to be fun nonsensical threads amongst 20-30 frequent posters who'd just comment on their day and so on that usually seemed like a nice little community. That was probably 30-50 people who logged on casually just to see how the thread was going and maybe they dropped in to other threads too and left a post or 2.

    I remember a couple years ago, someone started a thread about a Cardi B song in the music forum. It had multiple posts from multiple users within a few hours. Then it was closed. I messaged the mod and asked why and they said that the question asked in the OP was answered. That conversation died right there. In my view, threads like that should never be closed unless there's been zero posts added in 24 or 48 or 72 hrs or something. On a site struggling with numbers, to be shutting down discussions because of the pedantry of questions asked and answered is madness. Move the discussion elsewhere if you wish, but don't silence it.

    I used to enjoy reading the soccer threads but the views in there were too partisan for even me to tolerate so I never requested access to the forum which would have allowed me to post. I don't think I've seen a soccer forum thread since the changeover, it's obviously hidden away in some corner.

    In terms specifically of improving activity I mentioned threads in the past (mostly in AH) that I would find and would spend a long time catching up on them and really loving the content. Completely pointless threads in terms of the content but they would be entertaining and give you the type of warm fuzzy feeling that would bring you back. Stories about funny incidents dating, or house sharing, or random work colleagues or friends/neighbors or whatever. But they were heavily influenced by the vibe around here and I think we can all agree that vibe just isn't there right now and it can't be forced unless the environment is right for it.

    I think Boards could help launch threads at times to promote conversation, same way as people who get together at the same time to watch a TV show and comment it on here. A Thread on the Thursday before a Bank Holiday weekend called 'Jesus, I remember one time…..' when the OP swore they wouldn't go out to save money but ended up on a ferry back from the UK 3 days later would lead to funny stories from others who are happy to reminisce without having to deal with the 7 day hangover that most of us would have to consider if we went on a Bank Holiday session now.

    Aside from using Facebook or Twitter or the like, make use of the email function to tell users that a conversation on a topic is gaining traction is a simple thing to reach people who already have accounts. Or to let others know who had accounts, but haven't used them in a long time that they are missed and the site is active and they'd like to be welcomed back. Blanket emails sent to whatever database is holding log in details could have a significant impact. One thing I should say, that during the period of about 2015 to 2021, I often thought that Boards was worth a lot to me in terms of the amount of hours entertainment I got from it. I never recall seeing the likes of messages Wikipedia or the Guardian or Donald Trump put out reminding people of what they offer and asking for one off donations.

    But, as I said it my post above, what do those who own/run/hold sway over the site think can and could/should be done to help promote the right sort of activity on here?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    It really depends where you are posting and if you are a regular you will know yourself.

    I had a post removed about a trans dart player being in 3rd position and if he finishes second he will qualify for the world championship.

    I said I hope he doesn't because nobody deserves abuse from drunk idiots and It would mentally scar him.

    Now the reason it was removed is because i called a biological man a he.

    Now if that persons body was ever found with skeletal remains they wouldn't be looking for information on a women for obvious reasons, so why is a mod deleting posts that are the truth.

    If you look, it's the same mod who is the mod of the lgbt forum.

    An apt comparison would be a moderator and fan of a man United forum being tasked with moderating a combined thread on Liverpool vs. man United.

    I am sure the mod might do their best to be impartial, but it's like telling me santa claus is real.

    A mod with a conflict of interest should have no business modding threads, its the reason the 6 or 7 posters everyone talks about who get away with murder are allowed to get away with it.

    AAdding a new mod to CA to oversee such threads would make a very big improvement.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,855 ✭✭✭knucklehead6


    dammit!! Now I’m on the admin radar!!


    farewell cruel world. I’m about to be banned from the internet in its entirety!😜



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,401 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I don’t know for sure who removed it but there is a moderator who is on there from that forum so it might be the same person.

    I didn’t use anyone pronouns - there was a post about an adult biological male competing in swimming against teenage girls and my exact post was “Jesus wept how is that allowed??”

    I really don’t get why it was removed but it does strike me as rather underhanded.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭nachouser


    It always comes back to the trans stuff. Would you post it in a work chat? Nah. But folks will do it on here and then complain about Boards.ie moderating them. Yawn.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,316 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Ah this thread had a decent run before the trans guff started.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,690 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Lads I don't want to start deleting posts on this thread but as always if you have a problem with a moderator or action taken please contact the moderator or C-Mod.

    Back on topic here please.

    Thanks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,045 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    This is a feedback thread and my feedback is that a mod who is a mod of the lgbt forum cannot be expected to be impartial when modding threads about trans related or lgbt topics.

    It's not that I have a problem with the mod, I am sure they tŕy to be unbiased.

    It would be better for the mod and discussion if someone without bias would oversee those type of threads.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,690 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I'm not discussing specific cases or moderators on this thread. If you have a complaint please make it through the correct channels.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,255 ✭✭✭nachouser


    The two main yokes on the Criminal justice thread having a go at trans people joined on the same day within 8 mins of each other.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Well I pop in for a variety of reasons: to learn things in both current news but also re hobby/ diy etc, read other people's views, discuss some views, help some queries if I can, share a thought. That's about it.

    What helps that is light moderation, that would boost the positives. It's not a school playground, most people here are of an age to be responsible. So silly unwarranted warnings, posting limits and bans can undermine the positives quickly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    A thread popped up earlier on the main page about driving tests being cancelled because the green part of the insurance cert had discoloured. It was such a random title that I just had to click into it.
    The thread was 4 pages long. It was first posted in in 2021 and the last post was from someone who had experienced the same issue today. A few people, including myself, posted after them.

    I saw a new post a couple of hours ago and when I clicked into it…… the thread has been nuked. I don’t even know what forum it was in. Seems nonsensical to me as there wasn’t many posts in it (took me 10 minutes to read) and it highlighted a crazy but legal and costly issue that people are not aware of.

    Deleting threads like that does my head in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,873 ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Yes, let zombie threads run if someone is interested, I think I've already said that. A mod note telling someone not to post in an old thread looks awful, especially if it's a new poster who probably found the thread via Google.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,716 ✭✭✭✭Arghus


    Yeah, that's one thing I've never really got. Let the threads fall back into obscurity of their own accord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,044 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    I’ve got some really good advice from people on certain forums, mainly about the house / garden some people went out if their way to send personal mails with their recommendations / experiences and that is most helpful. I also like the food forum and love watching what others cook and the recipes.

    There is a need for more positivity to drive traffic through the site, the Wokeism thread was just negative bashing people and even here, the trans digs are painful and not necessary.

    I also feel “don’t be a dick” is subjective and open to interpretation from everyone’s viewpoint.





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    Exactly. Either let the thread run or if it’s that big a deal, enable autolocking of threads after a certain period of time.





  • I will say that some zombie threads are better off closed and if the topic is worth discussing start a new thread.

    You’ll find people joining in but not actually realising it’s an old thread then arguing with something that was said years ago. Also portions may be completely out of date or irrelevant.

    I’d usually just close it off if it’s inclined to fall into the above or the reply is irrelevant and just some lost soul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    It was deleted though so there’s absolutely no evidence of it ever existing. Did anyone see the thread I’m talking about and do they know what forum it was posted in?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,571 ✭✭✭con747


    It was here but as you said it vanished. https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058194469/driving-test-cancelled-due-to-the-disc-strip-is-faded-from-green-to-blue/p2

    Don't expect anything from life, just be grateful to be alive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,331 ✭✭✭Glaceon


    I saw it too, I remembered it from first time around and clicked into it again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,404 ✭✭✭✭Goldengirl


    These are examples of low level trolling of another poster imo , discussing them in a cowardly way.

    How is their threadban being lifted any of your business ,?

    Others have been similarly reversed for worse infractions .

    I know who you are referring to now and so do others It's very unfair on them . where is their right of reply ?

    And people then wonder why they get actioned for trolling? Beggars belief ..this is just the sort of bullying that is driving good posters from boards !

    Posting it here to get a dig in at someone who is unaware they are being discussed like this , hopefully without getting sanctioned .

    Post edited by Goldengirl on


  • Administrators Posts: 14,690 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    There is a need for more positivity to drive traffic through the site

    I 100% agree. The amount of negativity on the site and in this thread is astounding. We've had 33 pages of negativity here. I asked for some positive suggestions and I'm not sure it even got to a full page before people dragged it back down with negativity again.

    Being happy and just having a bit of craic seems to be something that most people have lost. Angry people preferring to be angry and making those around them angry.

    I'm not really sure that there's any cure for that particular blight.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭Shoog


    It seems this thread has descended to complaining about the mods by the usual suspects with a persecution complex.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,495 ✭✭✭StrawbsM


    My first ever reason for posting on boards is when I was looking to an answer to a question and google led me here. That was back in 2010.

    I have no idea if the person who resurrected that thread today was a new poster or not as I took no notice. They said their child had their driving test cancelled by the tester on the day of the test. Did that poster go to google and follow a link to that thread? Did they register with boards to ask the question? If they did, then they’re not being enticed to stay and look around at what more boards.ie has to offer them.

    How can boards function as a business if it rejects customers?



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