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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,887 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    In WW2, they came in two sizes. Goliath and Borgward. (Goliath is the small one)

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    Not particularly successful, folks tended to shoot at them on the way in.
    And, of course, there was that unmanned T-55 that was driven at Ukrainian lines a year ago.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,119 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    If we can find 5 billion for asylum seekers surely any country can find this money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,603 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,390 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    All eyes on Kursk. Slava Ukraini.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    Personally, I would. I already send money to various Ukrainian causes anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    That's what we need more of. Fingers crossed it's true. Goes to show the appalling state of Russian military defence organisation… how can a power that likes to flaunt itself as being a global leader, be hit time after time behind its own lines, in the same manner using the same tactics, by an adversary that IT has taken the war to? Its hard to imagine the US showing that much incompetence. Goes to show just how vulnerable Ukraine has made Russia… really hope they can keep it up.

    Repairs to the facilities being hit, lost revenue as a result of refineries being taken out of action even temporarily, replacement costs of high tech military equipment (aircraft, AA, navy) must be absolutely massive when aggregated. And those are losses that would definitely not have been factored into this war by Putin - whatever about the cost of sanctions to the Russian economy, he clearly did not envisage the ability of Ukraine's own military inflicting such damage outside of the battlefield.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    A great haul. Ukraine needed some good news. Got to keep hitting russia. Refineries, airfields, drone factories…..all great targets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    The 6 Russian bombers destroyed this morning in Rostov Region is just the beginning.

    Ukrainian Armed Forces now has the capability of drone strikes to 3000km.

    Russian oil infrastructure, airfields, Putin's palaces all on the menu.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Interesting read:

    Since the onset of Russia’s military aggression in 2014 and its full-scale war in 2022, Ukrainian citizens have consolidated their efforts and demonstrated remarkable unity in defense of their country. 

    Thousands volunteered for the Armed Forces, and Ukrainian women have not been an exception. They took up arms to fight for their country’s independence and personal freedom. Over the years, their numbers in the ranks of AFU only increased, the range of their positions became more diverse, and even uniform and protective ammunition for women has seen a rapid transformation.

    https://war.ukraine.ua/articles/how-many-women-are-defending-ukraine-against-russia-s-invasion/



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    The science nerd in me appreciates that graphic remembering about the Mercator Projection & they didn't just draw a perfect circle around the centre in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    BTW - with this capability of Striking with drones up to 3000km and the persistence of same should definitely change the tune in Russia and Putin. Why? Well IF Russia takes more of Ukraine all that is ahead of Russia is this + insurgency + constant guerilla warfare on the motherland for ever. Ukrainians will not go away you know … to use a phrase from over here



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    And interestingly, in these drones they are fully utilizing AI. Which means the drones dont use or depend on GPS which is what is used mainly by the opposition to detect drones. The AI is a mapping AI that recognises the terrain its flying over as it goes toward its target. So for there journey to the target they are totally self sufficient. Apparently this is the reasons russians cannot find them

    Absolutely fascinating & equally terrifying for all our futures if this falls into wrong hands:

    “Accuracy under jamming is enabled through the use of artificial intelligence. Each aircraft has a terminal computer with satellite and terrain data,” the source close to the drone program explained. “The flights are determined in advance with our allies, and the aircraft follow the flight plan to enable us to strike targets with meters of precision.”

    That precision is made possible by the drone’s sensors.

    “They have this thing called ‘machine vision,’ which is a form of AI. Basically you take a model and you have it on a chip and you train this model to identify geography and the target it is navigating to,” said Noah Sylvia, a research analyst at the Royal United Services Institute, a UK-based think tank. “When it is finally deployed, it is able to identify where it is.”

    “It does not require any communication (with satellites), it is completely autonomous,” Sylvia added.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Also from that CNN article I posted above this post:

    “From what we’ve seen, some of it is they’re striking targets that need a lot of Western technology and Russia has a much more difficult time procuring this technology,”

    Now thats clever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    Terrifying to be honest. Right now they're being used by the good guys, but given how cheap and easy they seem to be to manufacture (compared to conventional weaponry), how long before the bad guys start exploiting them. In fact I'm surprised given the degradation of their resources, the Russians haven't turned to them more.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Was about to say same: if this is true and AI is being used in this fashion then suddenly drones become exponentially more dangerous and potentially cataclysmic in a western world already struggling to live with terrorism - domestic or otherwise - always nipping at its heels. You could be looking at a situation where that former disgruntled student in the US, instead of walking into a school with a gun, can simply pilot a drone into his classroom from the comfort of his bedroom, without anyone noticing before its too late.

    When the dust settles, we could see a ramping up of drone & AI legislation to put some functional limits on the things. For sure we might be seeing the end of the era when you can just buy a drone from the internet alongside your groceries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    "In fact I'm surprised given the degradation of their resources, the Russians haven't turned to them more."

    Russia having "dumb" drones using moped engines is one thing .. like the Iran Shaheed drones. But I imagine fully AI controlled autonomous Drones is another level altogether tech wise & would need Western Hi end tech that Russia cannot access due to sanctions .. but Ukraine has full access to.

    And yes, terrifying. Ukraine rewriting modern warfare with essential experience of same that counts. With experience even the most advanced militaries ( eg US Army ) dont have. As you said issue is WHEN likes of ISIS and Al Queda etc get there hands on this type of long range tech. I am surprised that has not happened yet. This is why Macron/France are really fearful for the Olympics in Paris this summer



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Just to be clear about the AI. Ukraine has basically packed a whole computer into a drone with full GPS info normally aquired from a satellite via GPS. So no more need for traceable GPS on board a drone. Completely self sufficient. Knows the terrain and direction of travel its flying over without any external assistance. A self drive drone so to speak. No remote "pilot" required.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    So, and even worse proposition cos a GPS blackout around schools (a non starter but still) won't stop them & if it's self sufficient good luck with the authorities tracing back the owner til they claim responsibility, cos the rubble and ruined drone will probably yield nothing.

    Yeah. If drones don't become highly regulated items by the decade's end, all because of these insanely possible use cases, I'll be shocked. Great to see Ukraine punching above their weight at the barbarians at their gates - but the future of these things looks scary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Apiarist


    That is why it is all more important to ensure that Ukraine wins soon. The longer the war drags on, the more prolific these weapons are becoming. It is only a matter of time before ISIS starts to send 3000km drones out.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I'd be very surprised if for components like this Russia can't source from China. It's not like the West have a monopoly on tech innovation and production… almost the opposite if anything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    Once it happens once in a western country by terrorists and I'm sure it will then you will see massive clamp downs on who can purchase drones etc. Imagine some terrorist used it let's say in England on a live premiership game or say when the king is at Buckingham Palace waving to the public. I can see something mad like that happening someday with drones.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Putin's palaces. With the golden toilets, that would be fantastic.

    If we cannot defend his own palaces it would really make him look weak.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Yes I would.

    I wouldn't consider it necessarily as "Ukraine tax" but rather a Defence tax. This is in Ireland's interests. A strong and safe EU is in Ireland's interests.

    We are known as free-loaders when it comes to defence spending, I think there are other threads on this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden


    From the FT

    Russia hitting EU trains etc.

    Russian attempts to destabilise European energy infrastructure have been well documented but interference in transport networks has been less discussed.

    The EU Agency for Cybersecurity published its first report on threats to transport in March last year. It said there had been “attacks against railway companies with an increasing rate, primarily due to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine”. 

    It noted major cyber attacks by “pro-Russia hacker groups” on railway companies in Latvia, Lithuania, Romania and Estonia.

    The Czech cyber security agency, NUKIB, has warned of rising cyber attacks in recent years. “One of the last year’s prominent trends has been the growing interest of malicious attackers in the energy and transportation sectors,” it said in a report published in July.

    České dráhy said it had “seen an increased number of cyber attacks on our digital infrastructure” and was “continuously strengthening” its cyber security.

    Prague has become increasingly hawkish on Russian influence campaigns after it approved a law in 2022 that allows the government to take measures against foreign entities suspected of violating human rights or cyber crimes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,805 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Reports from the guardian:

    20 members of Morozovsk airfield personnel killed or injured, Kyiv says



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,327 ✭✭✭RGARDINR




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,849 ✭✭✭Brussels Sprout


    I read Mike Martin's excellent book "How to Fight a War" last year. This is the book's epilogue which is very relevant to the conversation above:

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Even though it's a case of when not if, you'd also wonder why it hasn't been done by now; or at least tried. Maybe not hitting its target but a drone blowing up over London would be headline news, even if it didn't reach Buckingham. Unless it's an ideological block & your typical Muslim terrorist considers them an dishonourable form of attack, still favouring suicide or "in person" assaults. But that still leaves plenty of terrorist grouping who'd (presumably) be more than happy at taking a shot at X from the comfort of their sofa.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,489 ✭✭✭Dick phelan


    This war will be studied by military analysts for years to come. The fact that 40% of Russia's black sea fleet was destroyed not by an opposition Navy but by Drones. I think it will really have many countries reevaluating where they put their military focus and questioning how valuable some of their shiny toys really are.



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