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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    Yes, I thought it was a strike on Russia and forgot Sumy is in free Ukraine. Only noticed my mistake after posting.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Its unfortunately true. Your typical Russian leads such a sad miserable life that being in a damp trench with night guard duty is an improvement.

    Whereas your typical Ukrainian wants to go back their lives and families and live a good Western European lifestyle with democracy and freedom and peace.

    What this means is that Russians will volunteer in droves. And also they dont really mind if they get shot as long as its quick and theyre not left wounded and in pain. The Ukrainians dont want to go to the tremches for understanable reasons.

    However, the Ukrainians have things to fight for beyond indoor plumbing and autocratic despotism so hopefully that keeps them going.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Air drones.

    Now land drones that drive into place. Unload the mine and drive off. With either the mine on a timer or a string.

    Ukrainian 63rd Mechanised Brigade.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,718 ✭✭✭saabsaab


    Drone wars, who has the best drones? Or should that be who has the most drones?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    who has the most or best drones

    https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/30272



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Thirteen people killed by the light aircraft drone attack on the drone manufacturing facility in Tartarstan. Nine different nationalities. Russia, Kyrgyzstan, Sri Lanka, Zimbabwe, Rwanda, Congo, Kenya, Nigeria, and South Sudan. 

    A common theme are these are the poorest countries in the world. Teenagers and young adults from the poorest countries in the world are working building drones in Russia.

    Are there recruitment ads in these countries of come to Russia. Learn a craft. Build drones?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    More about the African and Sri Lankan young people building drones in Alabuga.

    You can't help but feel this is reverse trolling by the Kremlin. It seems all the black people were in the one building hit but all from different countries. It's turned a spotlight into them being there now anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yes Russia will be able to recruit more soldiers but look at the cost for every metre gained. If Ukraine stays in defensive posture they will win the war of attrition. Every year that goes by the Russian soldiers have worse off equipment for their attacks. Hopefully after the F16's arrive Russia will find it harder to drop those FAB 500+ bombs which are a real thorn in their side.

    Personally I think both sides will find the soldiers for 10 year's of war but I think economically Russia will collapse long before then. The US are afraid to give big support incase war with Taiwan breaks out. But it's irritating they haven't built new factories for the production of artillery. They've increased capacity at current factories and that'll continue to expand but it's nowhere near what they should be producing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,316 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    It seems this was a Russian initiative called The Alabuga Start Program.

    It was a call for foreign young women.

    Massive amount of recruitment media when you start looking.

    How any would think it's a good idea for a young foreign woman to go to Russia is beyond me. But poverty can drive one to do beyond normal. Especially with the slick advertising.

    Most try their best to get away from the Russian mafia world wide and these young women are trawled to go to Russia.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭pcardin


    they were there to build drones, proving your general vatnik is useless for anything really, apart from being used as cannon fodder.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    A reminder that huge swathes of Ukraine are gonna need rebuilding from the ground up; said it before you but yo'd wonder if some of these villages and hamlets will be written off and left to stay demolished. If the population are all dead or have left for Ukrainian urban centres (or trigger warning for the anti-migrants, left the country entirely), why bother rebuilding?

    Either way though, there's gonna be a flood of money heading into the country and there'll be a boom for construction and infrastructural companies hired to rebuild … well, everything in these parts of Ukraine. Zelensky's job won't be done when - hopefully - Russia fúcks off and lets the Ukrainians be; he'll be crossing Europe negotiating German, French, UK firms to come in and build build build.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    I'd let the weeds grow over eastern Ukraine and build elsewhere. MOAB Donetsk at some point.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,272 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    So when Russia captures a ruined village or town these drones can completely finish off the buildings after the Russians move in.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭ToweringPerformance


    I see Russia is now saying they are in direct confrontation with NATO. Hilarious really because if they where in direct confrontation they'd be no Russian army left.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,435 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,074 ✭✭✭aidanodr


    Probably to do with this I imagine? As in NATO essentially funding the UKRAINEs war effort. So yip, Putin right and about time too .. only way to sort a bully is to bully back, dose of own medicine.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Perhaps therein lies the potential peace plan: Ukraine itself can join NATO, EU maintain a full army all it wants etc. but the 20% lost reverts to Ukraine - but run as some broad DMZ or limited federalised region. As said some of those hamlets are probably beyond reconstruction and given Russia wants (but won't get) a fully demilitarised country this could be the next best thing.

    With a nominal NATO force posted inside Ukraine to make sure Russia don't try yet another YOINK.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,506 ✭✭✭keeponhurling


    Probably as good a solution as any.

    But I can't see any peace solution being agreed, I don't think either Putin or Zelensky would accept it.

    And destroying part of Ukraine can still be seen as a "victory" for Putin.

    The war will continue as long as Putin is in power.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,209 ✭✭✭Paddigol


    I think at this point, social and political stability in Ukraine is key. Zelenskyy has been an incredible war time leader… without someone of his calibre at the helm I think Ukraine would have crumbled early doors and a Belarus-style leadership installed. That would have been that. Protests and dissent would have been painted as terrorism and terrorist actions and crushed quickly. There's still a risk of all Ukraine's achievements (if you can call fighting one of the biggest military powers on the planet to a standstill an achievement given the terrible civilian losses suffered by Ukraine) of the past couple of years being lost if Russia manages to meddle in its internal politics and governance.

    Keeping casualties - military and civilian - to an absolute minimum should now be Zelenskyy's goal. No more hopeful counterattacks. Until the West gets off the fence and properly backs Ukraine militarily, it would be a pyrrhic limited-victory at best.

    Instead, solidify defensive lines and make Russia suffer massive losses for every metre they try to take. Keep hitting valuable Russian infrastructure in Russia to bring the war home to them. Keep emasculating Russia's military capabilities through targeted hits - airforce, navy, air defence systems, weapons dumps, tanks… anything expensive which Russia can't afford to replenish.

    And keep picking high profile targets for maximum publicity.

    That way the pressure builds on Putin to reach a 'resolution'. Even if he says, "ok, we've achieved our aims, we've secured a 20% land buffer", that doesn't end the war. The losses will keep mounting on the Russian side through targeted strikes as long as their forces remain on Ukrainian soil. The question then is how long can Russia sustain its economy, how long will the population put up with limbo, and how long will those beneath Putin allow him to remain in place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Why should Ukraine shoulder the loss of its territory to a DMZ arrangement? Given that the troublemaker in this conflict was Russia, shouldn't it be the Belgorod-Bryansk-Kursk-Voronezh region that's demilitarised?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    They shouldn't, not at all, but assuming a General Russian retreat isn't likely I was wondering what could amount to the same, while preserving Ukrainian autonomy and sovereignty in the regions taken? Some flim flam to let Moscow claim they've neutered the threat while Ukraine gets on.

    The Russian invasion ensured Ukraine is now armed to the teeth with western equipment, trained by western nations in modern warfare and has the ear of same. Putin rolled the dice on a quick regime change and has only ensured further Westernisation of Kyiv (barring a new quisling installed post zelensky); if Russia ignored the latest terms, this time they'd face an experienced and battle hardened Ukrainian Army ready to push back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,172 ✭✭✭CelticRambler


    Assuming the Russians don't agree to a retreat (with or without a symbolic "win" to brag about), Ukraine's strongest weapon will be the pretext of an unresolved conflict to justify using their (homegrown) drones and other armaments to target key "war effort" infrastructure - i.e. refineries, drone factories, storage depots, military training camps, bridges, railways, etc - inside Russia.

    If the West is going to dither about and impose restrictions on what Ukaine can and can't do with what they're given, while failing to effectively enforce sanctions already imposed on Russia, then Ukraine is well within its rights to not agree to any half-hearted ceasefire. Let Russia continue to pay dearly for their war, up to and including the loss of their more peripheral oblasts and republics who decide that they've had enough of Putin's folly.

    Ukraine would be mad to agree to any T&Cs that left Putin free to park all his remaining forces on the Belgorod border, knowing that he could send fighter jets risk-free across the whole of the Donbass-Luhansk region any time he wanted because Ukraine had no Patriot missles there.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    The Ukrainians knew this war was coming since 2014, and they prepared for it as best they could, despite a weak economy. Whilst the west has supplied some weapons, most of the Ukrainian Arsenal up until now has still been old Soviet equipment. Some modernised & updated with more supplied from former Soviet nations formerly under the jackboot of the Warsaw Pact.

    The West suppled some modern weapons up until the USA Trump inspired recent withdrawal of support, but even now Ukraine is still fighting with mostly ex Soviet equipment. With some added updated drone & other technological advanced gear they manufactured themselves. Most of the financial support given to Ukraine, particularly from Europe has been to ensure the government & civil society in Ukraine doesn't end up collapsing.

    It's time to open the Arsenals of all democratic nations & give & manufacture for Ukraine the military equipment need to defeat Putin & his scummy invaders. Failure to do so will be a stain forever on every western nations history if this doesn't happen now.

    There might well have been an logistical excuse for the world to decide not to properly aid Czechoslovakia & Poland, against the tyranny of Nazi invasion.

    Such an excuse is no longer valid, Ukraine is bordered by western & NATO nations, with support further afield in many other democratic countries. Why are the worlds richest democratic nations still waiting?

    Ukraine is being destroyed & many just make excuses for procrastination or even worse swallow evil Russian propaganda.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,543 ✭✭✭swiwi_


    Would you support the Irish government introducing a Ukraine tax? Money where the mouth is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,129 ✭✭✭purplepanda


    So lets add the cost of many more millions of refugees from a Ukraine completely conquered, fleeing to the rest of Europe, added to even more refugees & economic migrants continually being filtered through by Russia via eastern European borders.

    If you consider the overall cost of the above scenario, then taxes to aid Ukraine would be obviously cheaper in the long term, for both Europe & Ireland.

    We don't have the politicians with the vision to do what's needed so it won't happen. Even the prospect of another 10 million possibly many more Ukrainians leaving their homeland in exile & arriving in European nations won't change western policy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered


    this week, both sullivan and blinken demanded that ukraine stop hitting targets insine russia, cant find the link right now, heck do they want ukraine to fight with its shoe laces tied togeather



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,724 ✭✭✭flutered




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