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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,630 ✭✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I wouldn't quite subscribe to minimalist intervention although in between the troll or idiot trying to make a fool of the thread, and a mod intervention I think in the absence of regular and timely moderation, posters shouldn’t be admonished for dealing with such trolls - in addition short but no appeal or PM bans should come into place - a lot can be achieved by telling a poster to take a day off from a thread - it’s simple, the poster will almost always know they e done wrong and will most likely accept the temp ban - the appeals process is too cumbersome and time consuming for all



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    How about centre-leaning, there are people who can see things somewhat from either aspect without having to be “binary” like politically-fluid, to borrow part of a semantic?



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I personally have never been on a decently moderated forum that doesn't merge threads on the same theme - it absolutely standard practice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    There was a tone set many years ago with Gordon and the other admins that looked after Boards prison where they treated posters with contempt that was fine and amusing to an extent when the user base was thriving. Now some of the mods these days think they are Gordon with the smart alec reply’s and most posters can’t be bothered dealing with that stuff it’s just not worth the hassle in the long run.

    That tone needs to change and a new balance needs to be found and used.

    The lack of mods, C-mods and Admins also doesn’t do them any favours as they have to deal with more so it’s usually the same ones that end up dealing with a lot.

    I said it earlier in this thread but all most users ask for is consistency at the don’t be a dick rule and when normal users perceive mods at being the dick they start to post less and less.

    I wouldn’t want to be a mod it’s a thankless position well except for the thanks button one.

    Regards,

    P.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,961 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Great to get such insightful feedback from a poster who joined the site 3 hours ago.

    Back to the topic of this thread it's stopping this behaviour that would help save the site.

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    Mod note: All opinions are welcome. I think it's clear this poster is not a brand new 3 hour old poster. Offer your own opinion without dismissing someone else's.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    vBulletin was a strain on resources because it wasn’t really able to cope with the user base or load we were asking of it. Remember when threads had to be locked at 10k posts?

    While vanilla is certainly not without its faults the previous platform couldn’t cope anymore. If it was as simple as just going back to what we had it would’ve been done but it’s not the solution unfortunately.

    As I understand the previous site was basically held together with hopes and dreams and it was literally ready to collapse at any moment. It required a dedicated developer on staff to keep it up and running which boards can’t afford at the moment anyway.

    Thats my understanding of the situation and why the.. “upgrade” happened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Ah but I asked what if multiple or several posters want to start a new thread, since they've been banned from the initial one for disagreeing with and therefore annoying a batch of posters there?

    And who is to judge whether anyone has 'lost the argument'? In fact is the whole point of boards not to share views, as opposed to winning arguments as you seem to think??

    It is unreasonable for a group to monopolise a thread and shut down reasonable debate by complaining about others who simply disagree with them. Well that is unless you're the sort of poster who like to join in a pile on. And there those, I suppose it's human nature to run with the crowd.

    That's why a sensible moderation policy is either to allow people to disagree firmly or when needed to start new threads…



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,727 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    New mods should be on probation for a set period. Moderate like a dick too many times and you're demodded. The 'power' can be too much to handle for some.

    Not your ornery onager



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,223 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Maybe they were on for years and decided to jump back in. This is an example of the hostility that new posters face, and should be nipped in the bud at once if the site wants to last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Packrat


    All this newfound cuddly mod/Cmod/Admin understanding doesn't seem to extend as far as reading or responding to a thread in the DR forum in a timely manner.

    I've had one there for 2 days now with over a hundred views, but apparently none of those was a Cmod or an Admin...

    Strange that, - given that the forum is specifically for mods, Cmods and Admins to address or adjudicate on posters grievances.

    It's not as if there are 40 active threads there or anything.

    Whilst it may not be the case, it gives the appearance of the top brass having a discussion amongst themselves first about how they are going to whitewash any investigation on what happened, and then implementing it in concert.

    Tardiness on replying in that particular forum is highly disrespectful to posters and gives us the impression that we are seen as guilty deviants unworthy of anything above bare tolerance.

    It's the general attitude of some/many/most of the moderator team here.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 433 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    See, here's my exact point being made barely 2 posts after i made it.

    Posters complaining about posters and moderators having to over moderate.



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,234 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Lads seriously, we were all doing so well!

    If anyone would like to continue to provide some reasonable feedback please do. I honestly don't want to have to put my own 'zero tolerance' into action on this thread.

    Back on topic. Less of the bickering. Less of the backseat modding.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can disagree without illicicing a ban. I actually haven't seen an unjustified ban from a thread - and that includes the few time I have been thread banned.

    The point is some people seem to get banned all the time and never seem to question their own behaviour which caused it.



  • Posts: 6,626 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    New posters who's first post is highly inflammatory are the one who get immediate bans - and rightly so.

    Just about the only thing I report are these posters.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    packrat, it’s the day after the Easter bank holiday, cmon..



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  • Subscribers, Paid Member Posts: 44,856 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    I think it's very important that posters support each other. And it's important, it doesn't matter if it's a mod or another poster, you get support and you can stand up to anyone. In relation to anything that's happening, not in this instance, but nobody has to take any bs on the site, not from anyone.

    I commend yourself for answering queries and your commitment to the thread. But that post did seem off to me(and I know you don't have to or can't read everything on the thread). But I'm entitled to point that out. I just said it was bizarre to me.

    You've shown more than anyone a willingness to engage. And that's to be celebrated.

    I admire Charleigh Tinkling Squadron's recent post too.

    Some people are not for changing. That's testament to what they've posted on this thread and by their absence…



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    I agree re Charleigh Tinkling Squadron and Big Bag O Chips, dedicated moderation their respects, we may not always agree on everything but it can’t be denied they are listening in good faith.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,530 ✭✭✭Dan Steely
    1 missile, 165 schoolgirls


    While it might seem like a good idea initially to appoint as moderator of a particular forum somebody who has contributed heavily to the forum and who has shown an extensive professional or personal interest in the forum, that reasoning could be flawed. I think it could lead to bias and a control of the narrative, consciously or subconsciously.

    Where a poster shows they have the right stuff to be a moderator appoint them ASAP but to a different forum to their hobby forum. This could free them to be more dispassionate in the forum they are charged with and free to post away as always in their usual forums without any restrictions that being a mod brings.

    Some forums have had the same mods in place for too long. 10+ years? Far too long. I get the impression some long term mods feel the forum they mod is "their" forum.

    Rotate mods between forums. Have a max term, say one or two years, then appoint to a different forum.

    The issues above can lead to modding more of content than behaviour. The site needs more modding of behaviour, less of content modding. Not no content modding, less.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    can anyone tell me that I’m not going mad and that iPhone iOS is changing about sentences spelled out initially as intended 🤷‍♀️ I just can’t post in tolerant-limited threads where extraordinary-seeming posting is taken as poster’s intention! It is going ever more stupid, and problematic with my sight issues.



  • Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    we’re never here to control a narrative for one thing. As a mod all I’m here to do is keep the discussion flowing and within the confines of the charter.
    Like I don’t care about gardening in the slightest. Am I an ideal candidate to mod the gardening fora? (inb4 you’re not ideal to mod a shoebox Charleigh Tinkling Squadron)

    Point being that the best way is to mod the forums and subjects you’re personally interested in because you will do so with care and I don’t think any mod is trying to— or going to get away with trying to moderate opinions to create a certain narrative within the forum(s) they mod. It won’t happen.

    I was happy to take on mod for AH when I was asked because I am a frequent visitor and I’ve no problem spending some time keeping things in order, I’m usually reading the threads anyway so it doesn’t make much extra “work” in the grand scheme of things. I’m a chef so if I was asked I’d happily mod the food forum either but as I said I’d sooner jump down an elevator shaft than take up a position in the soccer forum. I don’t like soccer, wouldn’t have a clue what’s going on and it’d be a disaster.

    Similarly I’m the wrong person to mod a forum such as Personal Issues because my personality is not a good fit for a forum like it. I don’t ever really go in there either for the same reason. It’s a forum that requires a very delicate approach to posters I think is fair to say and someone like Big Bag of Chips is rightly much more suited than I am!

    I’ve no problem to admit where I wouldn’t feel comfortable with moderating and I definitely don’t agree we should be just passed from Billy to Jack every few months to whatever. It would be a disaster.
    Contrary to what some feedback here suggests, I would actually like to some more mods in particular forums. It would solve a lot of the problems surrounding as chips says, muppetry.



  • Posts: 24,207 ✭✭✭✭ Marley Harsh Specs


    I commend the mods’ tolerance here, I’ve been a bit “expressive” to say the least, I’m not a troller by nature, but I have learned later in life to stand up for myself rather than be cowered as I used to be. In fact I was often a shell of my present self. Age brings its benefits, you’re thrown out of one forum, you have your friends, there’s the next forum. You are likely as cute as a fox from life learning a d developed intellect as to how to turn impossible corners. 😉😉



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Meanwhile, the criminal justice thread is being trolled to bits with new accounts. Oh well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,024 ✭✭✭Packrat


    Yes. Fair enough. But it's not ALWAYS the day after Easter Monday.

    And there's only one new thread.

    And there's a thread there where the OP waited 10 days for a reply. That didn't happen on Easter Monday either.

    Excuses are just that.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,850 ✭✭✭archfi


    A web app is just a wrapper for a website so I don't think resources should be put into that idea.

    I think using Vanilla was a mistake as the very first thing the owners did was rush to customise it to 'look like' but it could never 'act like' the old design. I mean, colours/logo are fine but the extent of trying to recreate old boards on Vanilla has been a mess.

    I'd say this rush to customise it is one of the reasons behind the bad experience on mobile mentioned here - I think DigitalSpy (Vanilla) works fine on mobile (iphone and android) but of course they don't have a gazillion sub-forums which get near zero traction to cater for.

    On moderation, I think a simple policy of nothing illegal, be polite, attack the post not the poster should cover most problems.

    I'm afraid catering for some posters perceptions of offence, most times not even their own feeling of offence, is not the way.

    The idea of not relying on mods to come from forums where they post prolifically (thereby avoiding possibility of bias) is a good one though something that shouldn't be enforced doggedly. My guess is hobby forums etc should be okay for that 'rule' not to be too much enforced. Moving some mods around sounds a good idea but would need to be fleshed out a bit - maybe just the busy forums.

    Just stick to the above three guidelines/rules and the other idea of quick, short and 24/48/72 hour threadbans/forum bans and not entering into PM/DRP boredom about those.

    Finally, definitely weed out and never empower any 'activist' mods.



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