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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,487 ✭✭✭Vote4Squirrels


    I’d like to agree - I’ve spoken at times to Big Bag of Chips and they are fair, straightforward and good people!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    This is something I suggested to an admin some time back and was told it was something that would probably be a good idea but couldn't be implemented with the new set up.

    It's obvious to some that a minority of mods are on a power trip with the Sherriffs badge constantly visible, this supposed ethos that is meant to prevail where posters are instructed to "attack the post and not the poster" does not seem to apply to mods posting outside the forums they moderate.

    I've had a difference of opinion with mods on one forum only to be warned for something mickey mouse when I post soon afterwards on a forum they moderate. Real petty stuff that I couldn't be bothered entertaining them with a reply to. Maybe I should have if but to my mind that's only feeding their ego. One mod wasn't here a wet week when he banned me from the shooting forum because amongst other things I highlighted how one poster over there is seemingly above reproach and allowed post all kinds of right wing anti Garda, anti Government tripe without fear of repercussions.

    Part of the reason he gave me for implementing the ban was when he previously warned me I didn't interact with him afterwards. You couldn't make this stuff up.

    Having said that there are some great mods on here who are a credit to themselves and the forum, they let discussions flow, don't take differing points of view personally and share their expert opinions freely. I've seen a mod publically pull another mod back into line when it was needed and stuff like that is good for the site. This attitude of "we are mods, we are spartans" is pathetic.

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    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,553 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Having "Moderator" beside a name was always visible. Even on the old platform. It is not possible to selectively display it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I’d also put those posters who jump on everyone for “evidence” or “links” to anything posted that they disagree with, yet when their statements are pulled up they disappear for 20/50 “buffer” posts before returning and hoping it’s blown over while their post remains into the same bracket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    Most of the posts in this thread, wondering why the forum is "dying" are either complaining about moderation or complaining about posters.

    The answer to the OP lies within those two extremes: Tolerance.

    Or rather, lack of it, is what kills all forums and human discussion and interaction.

    There is no limit to intolerance. There are always other posters to ban and there are always other posters who should be banned.

    Much better is to have the reverse approach. A minimalist approach to rules and enforcement.

    Kill the obvious bots, trolls (genuine ones btw) and nobheads.

    Let the posters sort everything else out by talking it away.

    Baffles me that the knee jerk answer to intolerance seems to be more intolerance.

    Anyway, intolerance is the next big thing so we are where we are.

    Echo chamber engineering.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,576 ✭✭✭Rows Grower


    I'm a technophobe myself but even I know there's something fundamentally wrong with a former biggest internet forum in Ireland when something as simple as this is impossible to implement.

    The forum was way easier to use before it was "upgraded" a couple of years back. Did that upgrade actually achieve anything of benefit to anyone besides the people that got paid to do it?

    "Very soon we are going to Mars. You wouldn't have been going to Mars if my opponent won, that I can tell you. You wouldn't even be thinking about it."

    Donald Trump, March 13th 2018.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    And what if multiple posters want to open a new thread or threads and are deleted, what's your thinking then? It's easy to run with the crowd, always remember that others can and will have different perspectives.

    +1 on the minimalist approach. Do no harm.



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    If you need to start a new thread to feel comfortable you already lost the argument, and the mods don't want a proliferation of mirror threads to deal with. Its totally unreasonable behaviour.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,224 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I wouldn't quite subscribe to minimalist intervention although in between the troll or idiot trying to make a fool of the thread, and a mod intervention I think in the absence of regular and timely moderation, posters shouldn’t be admonished for dealing with such trolls - in addition short but no appeal or PM bans should come into place - a lot can be achieved by telling a poster to take a day off from a thread - it’s simple, the poster will almost always know they e done wrong and will most likely accept the temp ban - the appeals process is too cumbersome and time consuming for all





  • How about centre-leaning, there are people who can see things somewhat from either aspect without having to be “binary” like politically-fluid, to borrow part of a semantic?



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I personally have never been on a decently moderated forum that doesn't merge threads on the same theme - it absolutely standard practice.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 436 ✭✭Patrick Mahomes


    There was a tone set many years ago with Gordon and the other admins that looked after Boards prison where they treated posters with contempt that was fine and amusing to an extent when the user base was thriving. Now some of the mods these days think they are Gordon with the smart alec reply’s and most posters can’t be bothered dealing with that stuff it’s just not worth the hassle in the long run.

    That tone needs to change and a new balance needs to be found and used.

    The lack of mods, C-mods and Admins also doesn’t do them any favours as they have to deal with more so it’s usually the same ones that end up dealing with a lot.

    I said it earlier in this thread but all most users ask for is consistency at the don’t be a dick rule and when normal users perceive mods at being the dick they start to post less and less.

    I wouldn’t want to be a mod it’s a thankless position well except for the thanks button one.

    Regards,

    P.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,974 ✭✭✭✭Ha Long Bay


    Great to get such insightful feedback from a poster who joined the site 3 hours ago.

    Back to the topic of this thread it's stopping this behaviour that would help save the site.

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    Mod note: All opinions are welcome. I think it's clear this poster is not a brand new 3 hour old poster. Offer your own opinion without dismissing someone else's.



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    vBulletin was a strain on resources because it wasn’t really able to cope with the user base or load we were asking of it. Remember when threads had to be locked at 10k posts?

    While vanilla is certainly not without its faults the previous platform couldn’t cope anymore. If it was as simple as just going back to what we had it would’ve been done but it’s not the solution unfortunately.

    As I understand the previous site was basically held together with hopes and dreams and it was literally ready to collapse at any moment. It required a dedicated developer on staff to keep it up and running which boards can’t afford at the moment anyway.

    Thats my understanding of the situation and why the.. “upgrade” happened.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Ah but I asked what if multiple or several posters want to start a new thread, since they've been banned from the initial one for disagreeing with and therefore annoying a batch of posters there?

    And who is to judge whether anyone has 'lost the argument'? In fact is the whole point of boards not to share views, as opposed to winning arguments as you seem to think??

    It is unreasonable for a group to monopolise a thread and shut down reasonable debate by complaining about others who simply disagree with them. Well that is unless you're the sort of poster who like to join in a pile on. And there those, I suppose it's human nature to run with the crowd.

    That's why a sensible moderation policy is either to allow people to disagree firmly or when needed to start new threads…



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,875 ✭✭✭✭Esel
    Not Your Ornery Onager


    New mods should be on probation for a set period. Moderate like a dick too many times and you're demodded. The 'power' can be too much to handle for some.

    Not your ornery onager



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭TokTik


    Maybe they were on for years and decided to jump back in. This is an example of the hostility that new posters face, and should be nipped in the bud at once if the site wants to last.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Packrat


    All this newfound cuddly mod/Cmod/Admin understanding doesn't seem to extend as far as reading or responding to a thread in the DR forum in a timely manner.

    I've had one there for 2 days now with over a hundred views, but apparently none of those was a Cmod or an Admin...

    Strange that, - given that the forum is specifically for mods, Cmods and Admins to address or adjudicate on posters grievances.

    It's not as if there are 40 active threads there or anything.

    Whilst it may not be the case, it gives the appearance of the top brass having a discussion amongst themselves first about how they are going to whitewash any investigation on what happened, and then implementing it in concert.

    Tardiness on replying in that particular forum is highly disrespectful to posters and gives us the impression that we are seen as guilty deviants unworthy of anything above bare tolerance.

    It's the general attitude of some/many/most of the moderator team here.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command”



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 434 ✭✭Roger the cabin boy


    See, here's my exact point being made barely 2 posts after i made it.

    Posters complaining about posters and moderators having to over moderate.



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  • Administrators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,553 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Lads seriously, we were all doing so well!

    If anyone would like to continue to provide some reasonable feedback please do. I honestly don't want to have to put my own 'zero tolerance' into action on this thread.

    Back on topic. Less of the bickering. Less of the backseat modding.



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You can disagree without illicicing a ban. I actually haven't seen an unjustified ban from a thread - and that includes the few time I have been thread banned.

    The point is some people seem to get banned all the time and never seem to question their own behaviour which caused it.



  • Posts: 6,598 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    New posters who's first post is highly inflammatory are the one who get immediate bans - and rightly so.

    Just about the only thing I report are these posters.



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Charleigh Tinkling Squadron


    packrat, it’s the day after the Easter bank holiday, cmon..



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  • Subscribers Posts: 42,868 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


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