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Site is a graveyard - How can boards save itself? [Threadbanned users in 1st post]

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭briany


    @BaywatchHQ

    I usually post about blackpill incel related topics so it is very easy to rack up the down votes.

    Sounds like you'd be happier on 4Chan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,866 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,809 ✭✭✭satguy


    We all know over moderation is a big part in how the site died.

    But also new members and low post count members, never get given time to grow,, You see it all the time,, Some new guy starts a thread, and then gets pounced on by the usual clique, and run off the site.

    It is a discussion board,, but there is a certain clique on here and some out of touch Mods,, That seem to want to shut down any discussion that does not fit in with how they think.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    The old yellow card / red card system was better than nothing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,778 ✭✭✭jackboy


    There is a trend of a few posters combining forces to bait posters into saying something terrible, resulting in a ban. Fair enough ban the guy that says the terrible thing but surely baiting fails the 'don't be a dick' threshold.

    A tiny number of posters have banded together and are successfully getting posters banned left right and centre across multiple threads.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Yep, same names most of the time. Most people who look through CA could list them off from memory. It's a valid and successful tactic on their part I guess.



  • Subscribers Posts: 41,997 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Posters are actively encouraged not to engage with "suspect" posts and to report them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,547 ✭✭✭droidman123


    Did they ever get a replacement mod for the the mustard and carlow south east forum?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,721 ✭✭✭✭osarusan


    The basic rule of "Don't be a dick" still stands.

    It doesn't really though. As I've commented before, for a site whose mantra is 'don't be a dick', Boards has always tolderated a staggering amount of dickishness.

    How often did we see some clown in prison and a mod/admin pointing out that they've had 9 reds and 16 yellows and they're just back from their second site ban in 6 months or whatever.

    That kind of poster should be permanently gotten rid of before they've amassed even half that kind of record.

    Mods and admin can argue that this is the process at work, but it's glacially slow, and in the meantime, those posters pollute as much as they can, for as long as they can, and it absolutely does have an effect on the extent to which the kind of poster Boards wants to keep (or should want to keep) can be bothered engaging with threads, fora, and the site itself.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,751 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    it implies that in 50% of cases a moderator does intervene in some way. So the tactic by some of reporting posts is a valid one, you get a 1 in 2 'success' rate.

    No. Action isn't dependent on 'hit rate'. And people abusing the reporting function by reporting everything and anything they don't agree with have been warned about it.

    It must be possible to generate reports of a posters reporting history.

    It's not. It's not even possible to generate a report of the most prolific posters in a forum at the moment.

    If I were to suggest an improvement, it would to assign a particular mod to contentious threads as they arise in AH/CA or elsewhere.

    Not workable when volunteers are giving their time to the site. Would a nominated moderator be expected to be online during particular hours? If they were not available and the thread descended into over and back abuse by two opposing sides should the thread be left run until a moderator comes back to maybe 100s of off topic abuse?

    There's no easy fix. If there were it would be implemented. The entire internet is full of arguing people, angry people, people deliberately trolling to get a reaction. Boards is no different. Moderators do their best. Sometimes getting it wrong. Very often getting it right. And regularly getting abuse.

    I think I am generally fair and give posters time to explain their issues and try to give reasons for why certain things are done or not done. I have on previous threads taken the feedback and gone back to the moderators group with suggestions and ways of improving the overall experience of posting here. I am regularly abused both in PM and on-thread. I have no vested interest in Boards.ie whatsoever, other than it is a place to pass a bit of time in the evening, advice and information can be good and occasionally it can be a bit of craic. I help out because I was approached to and I would like to see the place continue to be somewhere to pass a bit of time, get some advice and occasionally be a bit of craic.

    I suppose one can always dream!

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Jim Jones is your only man



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 441 ✭✭Ted222


    It’s a curious one. I personally think recommendations should be expressed openly so they can be challenged by others if necessary.

    Restricting recommendations to PMs surely facilitates and encourages bogus claims as nothing anyone says is open to contradiction.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,142 ✭✭✭✭Tom Mann Centuria


    He did a terrible job on my gutters, Davey Duke is the fella you need.

    Oh well, give me an easy life and a peaceful death.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,751 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    I think this is a fair point.

    Obviously new posters signing up to give recommendations would quickly be spotted for what they most likely are.

    But regular, long-term posters should be able to recommend. But.. that then could be open to abuse with posters maliciously giving a local company a bad review due to a grudge etc. The moderators can't know what's a genuine recommendation for/against something and a malicious complaint - and then we're back to a company potentially taking legal action due to being defamed on the site.





  • This is hilarious, no consequences for mods or admins whatsoever

    BBOC said he checked out the 22 warnings mod liamog gave me over a 3 week period. All were fine!

    One of the warnings was for using bold in a post, apparently that's not allowed

    Another warning was for deleting my thread on Tesla Irelands VRT issues and he moved it into a 200 page thread about vrt for UK imports

    Another warning for complaining about another thread being moved incorrectly without informing the OP and then BBOC saying he did inform you

    Another warning was for LIAMOG moving a thread then moving it back because he probably read it correctly after instead of a glance but he still used his power by renaming it

    Then I asked for my account to be closed 3 weeks ago because the site is just not worth it anymore. Hey I can still login

    and BBOC I emailed the datarequests@boards.ie

    <Snip> Do not post PMs without permission.

    You requested your account be closed via PM to me. You PMd me again the other day telling me you had requested I close your account and "you c's couldn't even do that properly".

    I'm not sure what the "c's" meant.

    All requests to close accounts must be made via the office. Allow 30 days for your account to be closed. Although it is usually done much quicker.

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 741 ✭✭✭Kurooi


    I'm surprised your solution to this is "hiring younger moderators" have you met any young people recently? I've seen them censor words like "death" because it's a no no boo boo word





    • <Snip> Do not post PMs from other users without permission

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on




  • You are not fair, you did not investigate the complaints I had. You left it basically saying liamog is a grand fellow and as another mod agreed with you I could F off.

    So I am going to F Off

    I have copied the last 3 posts in a text doc so I can easily repost them when you delete them

    I wanted Beasty to look over the 22 excessive warnings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,051 ✭✭✭✭anewme


    maybe the posts above as an example are part of the reason the site is declining…



  • Administrators Posts: 14,751 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    @[Deleted User] you were given 3 warnings by liamog, not 22. You were given a 0 point warning on 11th Feb which is an instruction rather than a warning. You were given a 1 point warning on 15th Feb for ignoring that instruction, and another 1 point warning on 19th Feb for repeatedly ignoring the moderator. The rest were PMs where he discussed with you how to best post in the forum. One decision he overturned after discussing with you. You opened 3 helpdesk threads where decisions were discussed and explained. You were also told you were not allowed post PMs without permission of the sender or being requested by a moderator.

    I eventually applied a 4 point warning for repeatedly and consistently ignoring moderator instruction and wasting moderator's and administrator's time This put you in "jail" and stopped you starting anymore new threads but still allowing you to post on the site. The moderator applied a 1 point warning after that for again ignoring mod instruction. He quickly reversed the decision when he realised it triggered a temporary siteban (giving you more chances than you realistically should have been given). He was not obliged to reverse it, but did so to give you a chance. He didn't want to see you sitebanned.

    You are now trying to hijack this thread with the same argument. An argument that 2 Admins have reviewed. I will delete the above PMs as you have no right to post them here. I am also applying another 2 point warning which will result in a temporary siteban.

    As per my 2 PMs to your request to close your account if you want to close it you must email datarequests@boards.ie or PM @Boards.ie: GDPR. This request can only be handled by the office.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Fair enough and thanks for taking time to reply. I still think that in the case of contentious threads, it would be better if specific moderators were assigned to them. They'd be familiar with the thread as a whole then and in a far better position to judge who is being a 'dick', what's over the line and what's fine on the whole. You could still have a report function but make it very clear that it's only for serious allegations or clearly defamatory posts, akin to pulling the emergency cord.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    True and what happens? Moderators get a raft of reports to check out which is time consuming, some maybe serious, others often frivolous. There's no doubt that some people here use the flag/ report function as an extra tool - they don't like someone else's POV, so report them for some insinuation as they see it in the hope of getting their wings clipped/ thread banned. When you offer the facility to report and invite it, it's a valid tactic. Just not one I'd personally indulge in.





  • and as usual a thread that could have maybe been useful has descended into farce.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,740 ✭✭✭corks finest


    Ohhhhh



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 168 ✭✭_H80_GHT


    Too few people been responsible for so many posts will kill any site.



  • Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    I think we should have a week without Mods, anyone banned let back in and see how it goes. That would give it a bit of a boost.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Funny enough, I have a few acquaintances who were posters on this site in their time. They all admit to just being a dick on line….. some people are just pricks as you say…. easier to be a dick than to engage in any sort of meaningful manner.

    Human nature as you say.



  • Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Green Peter


    Swap the Mods around, for example put the GAA ones into the religion section, they might like it and stay



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭nachouser


    Ah yeah, whenever these threads pop up, you have to laugh that the same people complaining about site moderation and being on the right side or whatever, moderate themselves every day in real life. They're not going to post anti-trans, anti-immigrant, anti-whatever-you're-having-today in a work group chat. But it's grand to post it on here and then complain about being moderated.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Tried that, didn't work out, can't imagine why.



  • Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Green Peter




  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Then they know how 'some' posters are likey to think - handy that.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,751 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    Easier to just get rid of some people than debate endlessly with them via PM

    No moderator is expected to "debate endlessly" with posters. The above poster is a prime example. He has no interest in actually taking on board anything that is being said to him. He has become an absolute timesink for both the moderator of the forum and me. I have a many many PMs from him saying "now he did…." "and now he's after….." "now he did…..". Should I continue to debate endlessly with him? Should I be expected to?

    You've all seen on this thread an example of some of the stuff volunteer moderators have to deal with and how/why a siteban might come about. The above poster possibly should have been sitebanned a couple of weeks ago. He absolutely should have been forum banned. The moderator didn't want to go that far. Indeed when a legitimate warning from the moderator triggered a siteban, the moderator immediately reversed it so as not to siteban him. In many situations posters are given far more leeway than they probably should, because believe it or not, all moderators aren't "power hungry" and wanting to ban everyone for having an opinion! When posters aren't immediately warned or banned by the "power hungry moderators" we then have other posters complaining that moderation is non-existant and posters are allowed "run wild".

    Post edited by Big Bag of Chips on


  • Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭Green Peter




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 675 ✭✭✭GalwayGaillimh


    Boards a bit like Paypal was great years ago now its all Revolut

    Si Deus Nobiscum Qui Contra Nos



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Eh… what precisely is wrong with having reservations / differing views on trans, immigrant, or whatever-you're-having- issues of the day??

    Is there some law that says we should all sing off the same hymn sheet?? What's wrong with having a different opinion?

    No doubt but that there are some threads where there is a prevailing view and anyone who differs is not really welcome. That's fine and understandable at one level, as birds of a feather flock together etc. But in these cases, moderators should allow another thread to be run dealing with the same issues but where all views are welcome.

    This is a novel idea and one worth exploring. A reset button.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Look at these attitudes to posters who are raising their concerns/points. 1. Dismissive of posters and their grievances as farce. 2. Very quick to pettily respond with insults. 'Dick' 'Pricks' 'dick.'

    Some mods need a break. A long break.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Attitudes to certain posters - who have a Very Clear Agenda - but that wouldn't include you of course….



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 912 ✭✭✭scottser


    Most discussion forums I've joined have had Mods who were a lot more thin-skinned and sensitive than on here. This is one of the few i haven't been barred from yet. But the whole ban on commenting on anything before the courts is a bit of a nonsense imo. It's not like any of us are parties to any proceedings, posting details of evidence or prejudicing the trial in any way. Discussion and conjecture should be fair game imo.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,750 ✭✭✭Ezeoul


    …believe it or not, all moderators aren't "power hungry" and wanting to ban everyone for having an opinion!

    Not all, but some definitely are, and they abuse their moderator privileges.

    And I'm sorry, but I think the CMods and Admins know very well who these moderators are, but give them "a nudge", or a talking too, rather than acknowledge they are not up to the role and de-mod them. I think that is because of the so often given reason that there are not enough mods as it is, and that mods are volunteers. So they keep them, even the bad ones. All done behind closed doors, of course, in a mod only forum.

    I'd rather no moderation, than bad moderation. At least then it would be a level playing field, even if said playing field became a free for all.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,275 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I think my point was very clear. People post stuff on here that they would not post in real life situations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 648 ✭✭✭MakersMark


    In my opinion, the mods here are brain washed left wing parrots.

    TThere's Some useful info in the Motors section.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 33,713 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    'I'd rather no Mod than a bad Mod' - interesting idea, but with no Mods at all, I would imagine Boards would be Liable to close rather quickly.

    Most of the 'bad' posters are very well known to Mods ( both good and bad ones). They frequently appear in threads like these - as they have already in this one. Warning and Banning them takes time unfortunately, but it is a worthwhile task imo.

    Mods do get De-Modded, not just because they are Bad Mods, but because they get tired of dealing with Bad posters.

    It is what it is, always has been I reckon. Bad Mods and Bad posters co-exist in a lot of ways.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,392 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    I should have added that there is very, very little of what I would write here that I wouldn't openly discuss in real life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,400 ✭✭✭jj880


    Boards used to be the trust tree. Now its not. Warned. Banned. Posts disappear. Sometimes I wear my old boards t-shirt and reminisce about bottles of lemon hooch and posting anything I want. Would bring a tear te yer eye.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Equally a lot of posters leave the site because of bad mods, I don’t bother posting in the football forum because the mods are are, well, you know the rest.



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,309 ✭✭✭evolvingtipperary101


    Define a bad poster? How do they get mods demodded?

    And, of course, you'll return to your accusation of me having an agenda.



  • Administrators Posts: 14,751 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Big Bag of Chips


    And I'm sorry, but I think the CMods and Admins know very well who these moderators are, but give them "a nudge", or a talking too, rather than acknowledge they are not up to the role and de-mod them because of the so often given reason that there are not enough mods as it is, and that mods are volunteers. All done behind closed doors, of course, in a mod only forum.

    In the same way posters are oftentimes given a nudge behind closed doors (via PM) rather than onthread. Posters, and moderators are given chances. A moderator will not be demodded immediately if there are problems. Same as a poster won't be banned immediately (take our friend on this thread as an example!) Being a mod is a thankless job. It's a very public job and people are expected to never make a mistake - And accept abuse if they do. The background team of moderators would rather work with a moderator to help them resolve whatever is going on rather than pile on and demod immediately. Sometimes, demodding will end up being the appropriate outcome, but not before a fair chance has been given to make changes.

    And just as posters are not going to be privy to every action taken against other posters, they also don't need to be privy to actions taken against moderators.



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