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The accelerating fall in Sinn Féin support

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,205 ✭✭✭HBC08


    I'd wager you couldn't find one person in the whole country who believes we are doing a good job on immigration and are happy to continue down this road.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭gym_imposter


    I have an uncle and aunt who are unshakable party men and women, they won't hear a word against the government, FG version of those who voted FF in 2011

    The kind of people whom you'd think grew up in Mao's china , incapable of seeing poor government decisions



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'd wager it's way down the list for a lot of people.

    Housing trumps it every day hands down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Sf are already that. The righteous left wing urban elite- need only look at their leader and their front bench



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    How are SF a better choice than FFG on housing?

    33k homes built last year, the highest number in over a decade and we will probably beat that this year as more commercial workers move to residential construction.

    SF are anti investment fund, and considering its investment funds that make the majority of new home developments viable, please tell me how you think SF will increase the number of homes being delivered, when compared to the current govt?

    It is far more likley the number of new homes delivered under a SF govt would REDUCE from current numbers.

    Turkeys voting for xmas if you think SF will increase housing output.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They are the one issue.

    You can't import 150k a year and expect to meet that housing need.


    If they were honest. they would say we need a new Dublin in the next 10 years to meet the demand of inward migration and they would throw out all green targets and building regs, that at least would be reflective of reality.

    I think that would be the wrong approach but SF, FF and FG are all on that.


    Easier instead to say a worker in Malahide and Marrakesh have more in common than with the ruling class, solidarity dude.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    They actively want to increase housing completion, actually wanting it marks them out as different to the current govt.


    33k homes is an absolute disgrace and it is the biggest failure of the Govt and it is the issue that will likely cost them their jobs. Not that they seem concerned either way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    How do you think that Sinn Fein and others will increase the numbers of houses built?

    Wishing it so does not make it happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Activley want means nothing if there isnt a plan to deliver.

    If you starve the funding, the homes wont get built.

    Look for the facts. Look for the costed plan...

    It doesnt exist afaik and I expect we would see less new homes under a SF govt than we do today.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Obroin and his ilk will en masse swap the Harry Potter specs and pronouns for construction gloves and a trowel!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,915 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    "Actually wanting it" seems a bit at odds with the level of objections to developments that they've made, and continue to make



  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Are people going to vote SF, because SF really, really, really want more houses? Surely the important question would then be, how are you really, really, really going to provide them?

    I really suspect the answer to that is not yet known by SF, if it was, we would have heard it and their vote would be barrelling ahead of the other parties instead of slumping back towards them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,242 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It's a conscious decision by the govt to not increase housing supply.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    nobody knows how this is really gonna pan out, including me, but its very likely that some will in fact move towards sf, and others away from the three main parties

    I don't know anything but I know SF will gain votes....


    LOL


    Look at the momentum, SF is in decline because they are being found out, and they haven't even had a term in government. A fine achievement if I must say so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Perhaps you would link me to the "conscious decision". I have zero recollection of it.



  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Get the tinfoil hats ready for the big reveal



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,322 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Ive banged on about this for years.

    Support for SF is essentially from 3 blocks.

    They can keep 2 of those happy, but they cant keep all 3 happy.

    If they want to be a progressive left-wing party, they will lose their more conservative working-class vote.

    If they want to be a party of the working class, then they will have to start stating some hard truths about immigration, but that will put off their more liberal young voters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,596 ✭✭✭Gloomtastic!


    If we built all the houses we needed then the price of housing would fall. Then the majority of people who own their homes would start feeling insecure because their homes are worth less. Simple.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,080 ✭✭✭BailMeOut


    Every week about 400-500 homes are sold to first-time buyers. Assuming most are couples this equates to nearly 1000 people every week who are buying a home for the first time. Last week their #1 issue was housing and this week it's not so that's potentially a lot of voters whose political priorities may be changing weekly.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,195 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    The reference was to a "conscious decision" not to increase housing supply, and not to a conspiracy theory.



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  • Posts: 14,768 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Who is “we”?

    Do you think SF will build the houses?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,461 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    If SF are as useless as they’ve proven in “opposition” then we’ve dodged a major bullet in never having them in government: they don’t want to be in government anyhow. They’re happiest behind a megaphone shouting about the far right and the evils of capitalism. Left wing student type politics is all they are



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Agree with most of your points, other than the climate one.

    I dont think there will be an upswing for the Greens unless Noah rocks up in his Ark.

    Climate still isnt a major issue for a lot of people. Now it should be, of course, but it just isn't.

    The interesting trend is the rise and rise of the independents....when will this stop? Will they become the 2nd largest party?

    They may even become the largest...



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    SF, the flip flop party.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,320 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...and what happens if a shed load of transfers go to sf!

    government party supporters better be ready for the very strong possibility of a very strong anti-government party vote, exactly whats happening in many other countries, its clearly obvious the ffg dominance is over, for now anyway

    ...its clearly obvious government parties are in big trouble, so get ready, as its gonna sting!

    ...yes sf are sh1t, we all know this, but a large proportion of the electorate truly dont care about that, they really dont!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,857 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    FFG are still likley to be in govt after the election.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I agree with you regarding Independants....there is a different mood now in middle gound Ireland and I have seen/heard people admonish their own party they would have voted for religiously down the years.

    I think Independants will increase from 19-20 to 30-35 at least in the next election.

    The referendums also had a bit of a protest vote against the Gov./Establishment Parties including Sinn Fein, SD etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,320 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    yes this is a very possibility, but theres also the possibility of a sff one to, it clearly depends on vote numbers, and then of course post election agreements, again the referendum was very telling, polls are now truly unable to predict outcomes with any reasonable degree of accuracy, voter behavior is changing, with many now making very late decisions, theres very likely to be a very strong move towards opposition support, voter confidence is now there to do so, we need to prepare for this possibility. theres an astonishing degree of ignorance and arrogance towards some government party supporters here, theres a deep unwillingness to accept these facts, to accept government parties truly failed in regards the referendum, this is very likely to continue into the ge, a proportion of the electorate now truly doesnt give a fcuk about government parties, and it will show, to some degree, and again, at the ballot boxes, so they better get ready for the sting!

    noting, im a greeny myself, and theyre truly fcuked!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,337 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    The provos have become more sticky than the stickies ever were.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,809 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    that newspaper account isnt actually accurate but sure off ye's go with the gossip. Yes at the early stage they did vote yes on it, but that is because they had assumed their amendments would be discussed, which didnt happen. Also, great to see the lads again, telling us SF are going to lose votes. eggs and faces will probably the outcome again for those predictions (as usual).

    "Finance Spokesperson Pearse Doherty said they had not supported the Bill in the Seanad and had voted against it in the upper house last June.

    "We had raised serious concerns with this legislation right through the process and had tabled a number of amendments," he said.

    "The Government in its arrogance refused to listen, not only to Sinn Féin's amendment but also to the other amendments that were coming from the opposition."

    My prediction is SF would do quite well in an election, now they've been deserted by the right winged 'ireland for the irish' crowd that came from ff/fg.



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